Caroline Flack
Discussion
Jinx said:
darren f said:
If you have mental health issues and problems with low esteem, why would you choose to ‘lay bare’ your life on social media? Everyone knows it is rife with half-wits making idiotic comments under the cloak of anonymity. I’m not surprised she was advised not to post the statement, some of the responses it would have provoked would not have helped her one bit. If you are that fragile, keep away from it FFS.
It's an addiction. Getting likes and positive feedback is addictive - especially to those with low self-esteem.markyb_lcy said:
uk66fastback said:
Very true. I can't bring myself to ever sign up for Twitter - it just seems as though it is full of morons spouting their opinion
And yet, here you are on PH 
Seriously though, every online community has its morons.
Bullett said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
In her condition I wonder if she even considered how devastating her action would be on her family and friends, who would be the ones who would have to live with the consequences?
Often, they actually rationalise it that the family and friends would be better off without them. Rational/logical thought is not high up the agenda.Ayahuasca said:
So Caroline Flack’s family think the best way to achieve privacy and avoid the horrors of social media is to release her last message on Instagram. Funny old world.
I think in future people will look back at this time in human history and see celebrity status as an addiction, rather than an achievement.Ayahuasca said:
So Caroline Flack’s family think the best way to achieve privacy and avoid the horrors of social media is to release her last message on Instagram. Funny old world.
CF wanted to post the message herself but was advised not to by her "reps".The family probably just feel that they are carrying out her wishes.
That aside, I don't think it's very fair or in good taste to criticise the actions of a grieving family. Possibly they are trying to provide some clarity around the situation to kill some of the rabid speculation around it?
I would agree they would be best to stay silent about it for now but I'd stop well short of criticising people who are going through something only they can feel the pain of.
TPSA7514 said:
Ayahuasca said:
So Caroline Flack’s family think the best way to achieve privacy and avoid the horrors of social media is to release her last message on Instagram. Funny old world.
They have done it to try and get support for their lost daughter. They want to put blame onto the CPSOnly it turns out being pretty, and popular, has no relation to if you like a bit of domestic violence and/or are a complete b
h in private. But right now, they'll be unable to see that and are looking for who's fault it is.poo at Paul's said:
What does she mean "it was an accident"?
Who called the police, was it the fella, or her? Presume he had an ambulance too.
Was she saying that it was her sleepwalking or something? Otherwise how do you accidently hit someone with a lamp?
It all seems a bit weird.
Who called the police, was it the fella, or her? Presume he had an ambulance too.
Was she saying that it was her sleepwalking or something? Otherwise how do you accidently hit someone with a lamp?
It all seems a bit weird.
The Sun said:
"Katie Weiss, prosecuting, said Lewis dialled 999 from her flat in Islington, North London, at 5.25am.
Ms Weiss told Highbury Corner magistrates’ court: “Police arrived eight minutes later and knocked on the door.
“It was opened by a male and female and both were covered in blood. One police officer likened the scene to a horror movie.”
The complainant said he had been asleep when he was “hit on the head by Caroline with a lamp”, Ms Weiss continued.
His face was covered in blood, and Flack was also cut from smashed glass, the court heard.
She continued: “In the 999 call the complainant said his girlfriend was beating him up. He was heard asking, ‘What are you doing?’ and the call goes silent for some seconds.
“There is shouting in the background and he asked repeatedly for help to be sent to him. He is begging to send help. He says, ‘She is going mad, breaking stuff, just woken up, she’s cracked my head open’.
“Defendant is heard calling him an ‘a**hole’, saying ‘it’s all your fault, you’ve ruined my life’ and ‘a**hole’ repeatedly. He says, ‘You’ve cracked my head’.”
Officers had body-worn cameras which recorded admissions from Flack who overturned a table and had to be held down, it was said.
Ms Weiss went on: “She said, ‘I did it’ while under caution. And, ‘I will kill myself’, ‘I whacked him around the head’ and gave a demonstration to the police.
"Ms Flack overturned a table and had to be restrained on the ground because of the way she was behaving.”
Ms Weiss added: “It’s quite apparent that the defendant is manipulative towards him and blames him entirely, saying he ‘ruined my life’.
Ms Weiss told Highbury Corner magistrates’ court: “Police arrived eight minutes later and knocked on the door.
“It was opened by a male and female and both were covered in blood. One police officer likened the scene to a horror movie.”
The complainant said he had been asleep when he was “hit on the head by Caroline with a lamp”, Ms Weiss continued.
His face was covered in blood, and Flack was also cut from smashed glass, the court heard.
She continued: “In the 999 call the complainant said his girlfriend was beating him up. He was heard asking, ‘What are you doing?’ and the call goes silent for some seconds.
“There is shouting in the background and he asked repeatedly for help to be sent to him. He is begging to send help. He says, ‘She is going mad, breaking stuff, just woken up, she’s cracked my head open’.
“Defendant is heard calling him an ‘a**hole’, saying ‘it’s all your fault, you’ve ruined my life’ and ‘a**hole’ repeatedly. He says, ‘You’ve cracked my head’.”
Officers had body-worn cameras which recorded admissions from Flack who overturned a table and had to be held down, it was said.
Ms Weiss went on: “She said, ‘I did it’ while under caution. And, ‘I will kill myself’, ‘I whacked him around the head’ and gave a demonstration to the police.
"Ms Flack overturned a table and had to be restrained on the ground because of the way she was behaving.”
Ms Weiss added: “It’s quite apparent that the defendant is manipulative towards him and blames him entirely, saying he ‘ruined my life’.
Sad as it is, I have seen and read many similar letters / statements from people that have been perpetrators of domestic abuse. I'm not saying she was an abuser however, her denial is nothing more than that.
Coincidentally I'm doing some courses around Domestic Violence and it's one of the toughest things I've done. Even walking into the classroom, as the only male on this particular course, I feel almost ashamed of my gender. Yes, there are female perpetrators but the majority are male obviously. It's shocking what someone can do to a person that they say they love.
Coincidentally I'm doing some courses around Domestic Violence and it's one of the toughest things I've done. Even walking into the classroom, as the only male on this particular course, I feel almost ashamed of my gender. Yes, there are female perpetrators but the majority are male obviously. It's shocking what someone can do to a person that they say they love.
1602Mark said:
Sad as it is, I have seen and read many similar letters / statements from people that have been perpetrators of domestic abuse. I'm not saying she was an abuser however, her denial is nothing more than that.
Coincidentally I'm doing some courses around Domestic Violence and it's one of the toughest things I've done. Even walking into the classroom, as the only male on this particular course, I feel almost ashamed of my gender. Yes, there are female perpetrators but the majority are male obviously. It's shocking what someone can do to a person that they say they love.
My mate in the police used to cover a very affluent area of Birmingham. He said female on male domestic violence seemed to be a thing there and that one case was one of the worst domestic violence cases he'd ever dealt with. This is not to say female on male is worse overall, just in the experience he'd had.Coincidentally I'm doing some courses around Domestic Violence and it's one of the toughest things I've done. Even walking into the classroom, as the only male on this particular course, I feel almost ashamed of my gender. Yes, there are female perpetrators but the majority are male obviously. It's shocking what someone can do to a person that they say they love.
Oakey said:
poo at Paul's said:
What does she mean "it was an accident"?
Who called the police, was it the fella, or her? Presume he had an ambulance too.
Was she saying that it was her sleepwalking or something? Otherwise how do you accidently hit someone with a lamp?
It all seems a bit weird.
Who called the police, was it the fella, or her? Presume he had an ambulance too.
Was she saying that it was her sleepwalking or something? Otherwise how do you accidently hit someone with a lamp?
It all seems a bit weird.
The Sun said:
"Katie Weiss, prosecuting, said....
I appreciate you taking the time to post that but it is only one side of the (potential) answers which were sought. Would have liked to hear the defending solicitors equivalent alongside it.
markyb_lcy said:
This should be taken in the context in which it is given (that of the prosecuting solicitor).
I appreciate you taking the time to post that but it is only one side of the (potential) answers which were sought. Would have liked to hear the defending solicitors equivalent alongside it.
So which bits do you think are in dispute?I appreciate you taking the time to post that but it is only one side of the (potential) answers which were sought. Would have liked to hear the defending solicitors equivalent alongside it.
Are you denying the boyfriend phoned 999 and called for help?
Are you denying he said "she cracked my head open"?
Are you denying there's a recording of that 999 call?
Are you denying the officers have bodycam footage?
Are you denying she said "I did it.. I whacked him around the head" then proceeded to demonstrate?
Are you denying she flipped over a table?
The CPS don't prosecute on a whim and wouldn't proceed with a case unless they had evidence they thought was strong enough for a conviction. I suspect her saying "I did it... I whacked him around the head" was enough for them to proceed. Unless you think the police / CPS have made up all of the above?
Oakey said:
So which bits do you think are in dispute?
Are you denying the boyfriend phoned 999 and called for help?
Are you denying he said "she cracked my head open"?
Are you denying there's a recording of that 999 call?
Are you denying the officers have bodycam footage?
Are you denying she said "I did it.. I whacked him around the head" then proceeded to demonstrate?
Are you denying she flipped over a table?
The CPS don't prosecute on a whim and wouldn't proceed with a case unless they had evidence they thought was strong enough for a conviction. I suspect her saying "I did it... I whacked him around the head" was enough for them to proceed. Unless you think the police / CPS have made up all of the above?
I'm not denying anything or suggesting anyone made anything up.Are you denying the boyfriend phoned 999 and called for help?
Are you denying he said "she cracked my head open"?
Are you denying there's a recording of that 999 call?
Are you denying the officers have bodycam footage?
Are you denying she said "I did it.. I whacked him around the head" then proceeded to demonstrate?
Are you denying she flipped over a table?
The CPS don't prosecute on a whim and wouldn't proceed with a case unless they had evidence they thought was strong enough for a conviction. I suspect her saying "I did it... I whacked him around the head" was enough for them to proceed. Unless you think the police / CPS have made up all of the above?
There are two sides to every story. Often, both sides can be "correct" (or have bits that are correct) but will offer different insight into a situation.
The prosecuting solicitors job is to seek a prosecution therefore they will not mention anything which mitigates against that.
If you have so much faith in CPS and their solicitor, why bother having a court case at all. Why don't we just throw people in jail as soon as police/CPS have a case they think is worth pursuing?
Really not much point in debating this with you, as you seem to have made your mind up already.
Oakey said:
markyb_lcy said:
This should be taken in the context in which it is given (that of the prosecuting solicitor).
I appreciate you taking the time to post that but it is only one side of the (potential) answers which were sought. Would have liked to hear the defending solicitors equivalent alongside it.
So which bits do you think are in dispute?I appreciate you taking the time to post that but it is only one side of the (potential) answers which were sought. Would have liked to hear the defending solicitors equivalent alongside it.
Are you denying the boyfriend phoned 999 and called for help?
Are you denying he said "she cracked my head open"?
Are you denying there's a recording of that 999 call?
Are you denying the officers have bodycam footage?
Are you denying she said "I did it.. I whacked him around the head" then proceeded to demonstrate?
Are you denying she flipped over a table?
The CPS don't prosecute on a whim and wouldn't proceed with a case unless they had evidence they thought was strong enough for a conviction. I suspect her saying "I did it... I whacked him around the head" was enough for them to proceed. Unless you think the police / CPS have made up all of the above?
He's had a bang to the head and might not be rational. We don't know how he came to have a bang on the head even if CF admits it was by her hands it happened. (I hit my partner on the head with a tree. It wasn't intentional but "it was me what done it guvner".)
On the other hand I favour the more likely options. She's likely had an argument with him, he's gone to bed and she's decided to take revenge upon him because "someone else has to be to blame" for issues in her life. Probably the same issues which were only made worse by hitting him.
wobert said:
Robertj21a said:
Cold said:
Flack's mother, Chris, has just released a statement from Flack that was never published. It was written towards the end of January but Flack was advised not to post it on her Instagram page.
A good example of why many mental health issues need far better understanding (by all of us). Here's a well written, sensible and pragmatic view of how she views her own life, how it's going wrong, and what she is trying to do about it. But in a short time she, presumably, found the whole situation so overwhelming that she felt her only alternative was to take her own life.Flack said:
"For a lot of people, being arrested for common assault is an extreme way to have some sort of spiritual awakening but for me it's become the normal.
"I've been pressing the snooze button on many stresses in my life - for my whole life. I've accepted shame and toxic opinions on my life for over 10 years and yet told myself it's all part of my job. No complaining.
"The problem with brushing things under the carpet is... they are still there and one day someone is going to lift that carpet up and all you are going to feel is shame and embarrassment.
"On December the 12th 2019 I was arrested for common assault on my boyfriend.
"Within 24 hours my whole world and future was swept from under my feet and all the walls that I had taken so long to build around me, collapsed. I am suddenly on a different kind of stage and everyone is watching it happen.
"I have always taken responsibility for what happened that night. Even on the night. But the truth is... It was an accident.
"I've been having some sort of emotional breakdown for a very long time.
"But I am NOT a domestic abuser. We had an argument and an accident happened. An accident. The blood that someone SOLD to a newspaper was MY blood and that was something very sad and very personal.
"The reason I am talking today is because my family can't take anymore. I've lost my job. My home. My ability to speak. And the truth has been taken out of my hands and used as entertainment.
"I can't spend every day hidden away being told not to say or speak to anyone.
"I'm so sorry to my family for what I have brought upon them and for what my friends have had to go through.
"I'm not thinking about 'how I'm going to get my career back.' I'm thinking about how I'm going to get mine and my family's life back.
"I can't say anymore than that."
"I've been pressing the snooze button on many stresses in my life - for my whole life. I've accepted shame and toxic opinions on my life for over 10 years and yet told myself it's all part of my job. No complaining.
"The problem with brushing things under the carpet is... they are still there and one day someone is going to lift that carpet up and all you are going to feel is shame and embarrassment.
"On December the 12th 2019 I was arrested for common assault on my boyfriend.
"Within 24 hours my whole world and future was swept from under my feet and all the walls that I had taken so long to build around me, collapsed. I am suddenly on a different kind of stage and everyone is watching it happen.
"I have always taken responsibility for what happened that night. Even on the night. But the truth is... It was an accident.
"I've been having some sort of emotional breakdown for a very long time.
"But I am NOT a domestic abuser. We had an argument and an accident happened. An accident. The blood that someone SOLD to a newspaper was MY blood and that was something very sad and very personal.
"The reason I am talking today is because my family can't take anymore. I've lost my job. My home. My ability to speak. And the truth has been taken out of my hands and used as entertainment.
"I can't spend every day hidden away being told not to say or speak to anyone.
"I'm so sorry to my family for what I have brought upon them and for what my friends have had to go through.
"I'm not thinking about 'how I'm going to get my career back.' I'm thinking about how I'm going to get mine and my family's life back.
"I can't say anymore than that."
Put yourself in their position, to stand on the precipice of “suicide” contemplating that it’s your only way out of the situation.
You have to be in a very dark place to get to that point.
Presenting or appearing on a TV show such as that, or having a lifestyle as an "influencer" on SM, is going to attract the most vapid, stupid and probably mentally unstable and needy people in society. Anyone who wants to do that sort of thing should be immediately considered a major risk to themselves and possibly to others. Is it actually surprising that so many have ended their lives?
So many people seem to think that the only goal in life is to have constant adoring platitudes from hoards of the great unwashed. She was essentially isolated from that for a month or two and couldn't handle it.
Munter said:
On the other hand I favour the more likely options. She's likely had an argument with him, he's gone to bed and she's decided to take revenge upon him because "someone else has to be to blame" for issues in her life. Probably the same issues which were only made worse by hitting him.
You take revenge on someone who’s wronged you - I can’t see where he’s done anything wrong. If this was visa versa he’d be seen as an abusive bully much like the thread about another ph’er. I think it’s very sad she’s chosen this route, but she did make her own bed. Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff