Caroline Flack

[AJL308]

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

NWTony said:

Pothole said:

Driver101 said:

That is childish.

I can't remember her relationship with Harry Styles, but if a 32 year old guy went out with a 17 year old girl it would draw criticism.

I can only think it's a good thing that an adult male cannot remember that entirely unimportant fact about someone else he has no connection to (unless you do).

Many things draw criticism. Not all criticism is warranted.

Age is a funny thing. I dated a 19 year old for 6 months when I was 29 (and a 20 year old for a year when I was 30.) I remember no criticism and nobody called me a "nonce" within my earshot. (she wouldn't have known what it meant, being Canadian, I expect, so might have heard it and not remarked on it, but I doubt it as I'm not a "public figure" who everyone thinks is public property and a free target for scorn and derision.

Flack was called a nonce by a few people on Twitter when she was dating Styles. She was not at any time committing a paedophile offence.

Would/should my situation have been judged differently had my relationship begun 2 years earlier? Should the age of consent be raised accordingly?

There is a very well know rule for this; half your age plus 7 is the creepy limit.

Caroline would be 16+7=23 minimum.
You would be 15+7=22.

Congrats

AT 31 I dated a 19 year old for 6 months, and at 35 a 21 year old for a similar period (but more casual)

In both instances they were a great thrill, but hardly compatible life partners, both at very different chapters of their lives to where I was.

If CF and HS had fun, and I sense he still admired her, then good on them both.

My ex was 18 when we met, I was 27. We were together for over 17 years.

Past few years I've been out with loads of much younger women, youngest was 20, although in fairness it was only once and the day before her 21st. There was a 22 year old a couple of years ago I would have married and had kids with at the drop of a hat - she was absolutely lovely.

Current Mrs is 22.

A big age difference shouldn't make a great difference. No one I know really cares, to be honest.

Edited by AJL308 on Thursday 27th February 19:20

[Fermit and Sexy Sarah]

AJL308 said:

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

NWTony said:

Pothole said:

Driver101 said:

That is childish.

I can't remember her relationship with Harry Styles, but if a 32 year old guy went out with a 17 year old girl it would draw criticism.

I can only think it's a good thing that an adult male cannot remember that entirely unimportant fact about someone else he has no connection to (unless you do).

Many things draw criticism. Not all criticism is warranted.

Age is a funny thing. I dated a 19 year old for 6 months when I was 29 (and a 20 year old for a year when I was 30.) I remember no criticism and nobody called me a "nonce" within my earshot. (she wouldn't have known what it meant, being Canadian, I expect, so might have heard it and not remarked on it, but I doubt it as I'm not a "public figure" who everyone thinks is public property and a free target for scorn and derision.

Flack was called a nonce by a few people on Twitter when she was dating Styles. She was not at any time committing a paedophile offence.

Would/should my situation have been judged differently had my relationship begun 2 years earlier? Should the age of consent be raised accordingly?

There is a very well know rule for this; half your age plus 7 is the creepy limit.

Caroline would be 16+7=23 minimum.
You would be 15+7=22.

Congrats

AT 31 I dated a 19 year old for 6 months, and at 35 a 21 year old for a similar period (but more casual)

In both instances they were a great thrill, but hardly compatible life partners, both at very different chapters of their lives to where I was.

If CF and HS had fun, and I sense he still admired her, then good on them both.

My ex was 18 when we met, I was 28. We were together for over 17 years.

Past few years I've been out with loads of much younger women, youngest was 20, although in fairness it was only once and the day before her 21st. There was a 22 year old a couple of years ago I would have married and had kids with at the drop of a hat - she was absolutely lovely.

Current Mrs is 22.

A big age difference shouldn't make a great difference. No one I know really cares, to be honest.

At 31 I looked maybe 25, and at 35 I'd still pass for twenty something. In fact, the way I met 19 year old was when she ID'd me for Marlboro's, under Co-Op's think 25 policy!

Looking younger than my years was crap at 16, not being able to get the girls, crap at 18, being refused in to bars and clubs, but it was extremely useful in my 30's

[AJL308]

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

AJL308 said:

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

NWTony said:

Pothole said:

Driver101 said:

That is childish.

I can't remember her relationship with Harry Styles, but if a 32 year old guy went out with a 17 year old girl it would draw criticism.

I can only think it's a good thing that an adult male cannot remember that entirely unimportant fact about someone else he has no connection to (unless you do).

Many things draw criticism. Not all criticism is warranted.

Age is a funny thing. I dated a 19 year old for 6 months when I was 29 (and a 20 year old for a year when I was 30.) I remember no criticism and nobody called me a "nonce" within my earshot. (she wouldn't have known what it meant, being Canadian, I expect, so might have heard it and not remarked on it, but I doubt it as I'm not a "public figure" who everyone thinks is public property and a free target for scorn and derision.

Flack was called a nonce by a few people on Twitter when she was dating Styles. She was not at any time committing a paedophile offence.

Would/should my situation have been judged differently had my relationship begun 2 years earlier? Should the age of consent be raised accordingly?

There is a very well know rule for this; half your age plus 7 is the creepy limit.

Caroline would be 16+7=23 minimum.
You would be 15+7=22.

Congrats

AT 31 I dated a 19 year old for 6 months, and at 35 a 21 year old for a similar period (but more casual)

In both instances they were a great thrill, but hardly compatible life partners, both at very different chapters of their lives to where I was.

If CF and HS had fun, and I sense he still admired her, then good on them both.

My ex was 18 when we met, I was 28. We were together for over 17 years.

Past few years I've been out with loads of much younger women, youngest was 20, although in fairness it was only once and the day before her 21st. There was a 22 year old a couple of years ago I would have married and had kids with at the drop of a hat - she was absolutely lovely.

Current Mrs is 22.

A big age difference shouldn't make a great difference. No one I know really cares, to be honest.

At 31 I looked maybe 25, and at 35 I'd still pass for twenty something. In fact, the way I met 19 year old was when she ID'd me for Marlboro's, under Co-Op's think 25 policy!

Looking younger than my years was crap at 16, not being able to get the girls, crap at 18, being refused in to bars and clubs, but it was extremely useful in my 30's

I'm told I don't look my age; I've met my current OH's father once, very briefly when I went to collect a letter for her. She rang me and asked who I'd sent from work to get it, asked me several times. She'd spoken to her dad who said it was collected by "...some lad in his 20's or 30's". I'm 48. To be fair it was dark.

What has absolutely amazed me since the ex fked off three and a bit years ago was just how many women in their very early 20's are quite happy to go out with much older guys, indeed are actually looking for them. Not all just after lots of money and even those who are are quite happy to say it up front.

[Pan Pan Pan]

AJL308 said:

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

AJL308 said:

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

NWTony said:

Pothole said:

Driver101 said:

That is childish.

I can't remember her relationship with Harry Styles, but if a 32 year old guy went out with a 17 year old girl it would draw criticism.

I can only think it's a good thing that an adult male cannot remember that entirely unimportant fact about someone else he has no connection to (unless you do).

Many things draw criticism. Not all criticism is warranted.

Age is a funny thing. I dated a 19 year old for 6 months when I was 29 (and a 20 year old for a year when I was 30.) I remember no criticism and nobody called me a "nonce" within my earshot. (she wouldn't have known what it meant, being Canadian, I expect, so might have heard it and not remarked on it, but I doubt it as I'm not a "public figure" who everyone thinks is public property and a free target for scorn and derision.

Flack was called a nonce by a few people on Twitter when she was dating Styles. She was not at any time committing a paedophile offence.

Would/should my situation have been judged differently had my relationship begun 2 years earlier? Should the age of consent be raised accordingly?

There is a very well know rule for this; half your age plus 7 is the creepy limit.

Caroline would be 16+7=23 minimum.
You would be 15+7=22.

Congrats

AT 31 I dated a 19 year old for 6 months, and at 35 a 21 year old for a similar period (but more casual)

In both instances they were a great thrill, but hardly compatible life partners, both at very different chapters of their lives to where I was.

If CF and HS had fun, and I sense he still admired her, then good on them both.

My ex was 18 when we met, I was 28. We were together for over 17 years.

Past few years I've been out with loads of much younger women, youngest was 20, although in fairness it was only once and the day before her 21st. There was a 22 year old a couple of years ago I would have married and had kids with at the drop of a hat - she was absolutely lovely.

Current Mrs is 22.

A big age difference shouldn't make a great difference. No one I know really cares, to be honest.

At 31 I looked maybe 25, and at 35 I'd still pass for twenty something. In fact, the way I met 19 year old was when she ID'd me for Marlboro's, under Co-Op's think 25 policy!

Looking younger than my years was crap at 16, not being able to get the girls, crap at 18, being refused in to bars and clubs, but it was extremely useful in my 30's

I'm told I don't look my age; I've met my current OH's father once, very briefly when I went to collect a letter for her. She rang me and asked who I'd sent from work to get it, asked me several times. She'd spoken to her dad who said it was collected by "...some lad in his 20's or 30's". I'm 48. To be fair it was dark.

What has absolutely amazed me since the ex fked off three and a bit years ago was just how many women in their very early 20's are quite happy to go out with much older guys, indeed are actually looking for them. Not all just after lots of money and even those who are are quite happy to say it up front.

I always had a giggle when Caroline Ahern was doing a spoof interview with Debbie McGee, and asked. And what was it that attracted you to the 68 year old multi millionaire?
But back to the original point, I remember a comment which went `Suicide is just a permanent solution, to a temporary problem'

[The Mad Monk]

A petition asking for curbs on the media has been presented.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-5171...

[eldar]

The Mad Monk said:

A petition asking for curbs on the media has been presented.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-5171...

Politicians and other dodgy characters will love this. Shut down any tricky situation nice and quickly.

[KTF]

Pan Pan Pan said:

And what was it that attracted you to the 68 year old multi millionaire?

Wasnt her response to that question something along the lines that at the time they met, Daniels hardly had any money at all (or something like that)?

[ApOrbital]

Pericoloso said:

eccles said:

cuprabob said:

ApOrbital said:

How did she die?

Don't quote me but I believe she hung herself.

Sorry, but I just have to quote you on that!

Yes ,reported as hung herself.

Very sad

[R Mutt]

The Mad Monk said:

A petition asking for curbs on the media has been presented.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-5171...

So you can parade yourself round in a bikini on some vacuous reality TV show for the entertainment of idiots but as soon as your trials and tribulations in civilian life appear in the press to sell papers to the same idiots they must not colour the narrative? Even the reality shows would have contestants fight to the death given a little more freedom. Big Brother were terrible.

But in the context of someone being scrutinised as a result of potential criminal charges, such restrictions are more unreasonable.

That said, they shouldn't be poking in to people's lives at all. No one should be in the Sun for going out for a pint of milk in a tracksuit, but in an ideal world, the subject should not care if they do, and newspaper readers shouldn't want such stories.

Edited by R Mutt on Tuesday 3rd March 15:22

[KTF]

R Mutt said:

No one should be in the Sun for going out for a pint of milk in a tracksuit, but in an ideal world, the subject should not care if they do, and newspaper readers shouldn't want such stories.

The subject has been known to tip the paper off in advance that they will be going out for a pint of milk in a tracksuit.

Whats worse than being in the paper, not being in the paper...

[R Mutt]

KTF said:

R Mutt said:

No one should be in the Sun for going out for a pint of milk in a tracksuit, but in an ideal world, the subject should not care if they do, and newspaper readers shouldn't want such stories.

The subject has been known to tip the paper off in advance that they will be going out for a pint of milk in a tracksuit.

Whats worse than being in the paper, not being in the paper...

Of course that's different to them terrorising Amy Winehouse which as far as I can see wasn't the subject of a petition, presumably she wasn't just someone who was only clinging on to z-list status by the attention of the very same petitioners.

Conflating reality 'stars' and Flack slightly but the press works in the same way.

[S11Steve]

KTF said:

The subject has been known to tip the paper off in advance that they will be going out for a pint of milk in a tracksuit.
Whats worse than being in the paper, not being in the paper...

Indeed - there was a spate of "putting the bins out in a dressing gown" that the "celebs" were complicit in.

On the subject of a petition - can we guess what effect that will have?
Besides keeping the slacktivists feeling self-righteous of course.

[R Mutt]

I wonder if another factor is that the small minds of reality TV views cannot comprehend that attractive wealthy people would have something to be depressed about and conclude that someone would only take their own life as a result of (press) persecution

[RB Will]

I see in the news today they are going to review her criminal case to see if it should have gone ahead or if they were being a bit mean.

[R Mutt]

RB Will said:

I see in the news today they are going to review her criminal case to see if it should have gone ahead or if they were being a bit mean.

I'm sure the petitioners would be crying out for that but all a posthumous dismissal of the case would really indicate in terms of press (mis)behaviour is that they shouldn't report on those merely suspected of a crime. What next, they can only report when someone has been convicted, and if that person is later acquitted the press will be the villains again?

[768]

RB Will said:

I see in the news today they are going to review her criminal case to see if it should have gone ahead or if they were being a bit mean.

Already wrapped up, no direct or indirect link to her death was the conclusion. Nothing to see here.

[Four Litre]

768 said:

RB Will said:

I see in the news today they are going to review her criminal case to see if it should have gone ahead or if they were being a bit mean.

Already wrapped up, no direct or indirect link to her death was the conclusion. Nothing to see here.

I thought it meant there was enough evidence to proceed to court supporting the charge of assault / domestic abuse etc?

Hence the police were correct to charge her. If so, I wonder how many people will gloss over this fact?

[amusingduck]

Four Litre said:

768 said:

RB Will said:

I see in the news today they are going to review her criminal case to see if it should have gone ahead or if they were being a bit mean.

Already wrapped up, no direct or indirect link to her death was the conclusion. Nothing to see here.

I thought it meant there was enough evidence to proceed to court supporting the charge of assault / domestic abuse etc?

Hence the police were correct to charge her. If so, I wonder how many people will gloss over this fact?

The only useful outcome of the review is to re-assert that they were correct and that you don't ignore abuse because it might upset the abuser.

[George Smiley]

Carolines law? Oh FFS

[AJL308]

The Mad Monk said:

A petition asking for curbs on the media has been presented.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-5171...

There are already criminal penalties for harassing people. Protection from Harassment Act, for instance. What specific changes are people campaigning for?