Caroline Flack

[Dont like rolls]

AJL308 said:

There are already criminal penalties for harassing people. Protection from Harassment Act, for instance. What specific changes are people campaigning for?

The right to jump on a virtual signalling bandwagon on the back of a depressed and weak human so they can be seen as virtuous to a vacuous fan of a vacuous programme they are desperate to get some exposure from ?

[TPSA7514]

768 said:

RB Will said:

I see in the news today they are going to review her criminal case to see if it should have gone ahead or if they were being a bit mean.

Already wrapped up, no direct or indirect link to her death was the conclusion. Nothing to see here.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but were there not two reviews going on

1 Involving the police action and/or effects of - which has been concluded
2. The CPS decision to charge her - which is to be started soon

[untakenname]

Anyone watch the program on ITV this week about her?
Seemed very one sided and I didn't have much sympathy for her plight as it was all self inflicted by her lifestyle and her actively courting controversy, ironically if she waited a couple of weeks the news would have been back to back Covid so she would have been out of the limelight.

[Oakey]

If this was Carl Flack who'd been accused of smashing his girlfriend over the head with a lamp, needed a number of officers to restrain him and his ex had said he was 'toxic' nobody would be having this conversation.

[PurpleTurtle]

I caught my wife blubbing over it whilst I surfed some Readers Cars threads on PH for it.

We had a bit of a chat about it, the missus was all 'the media hounded here' but my view on that is slightly tempered by the fact that she seemed to be somebody who validated herself by "being famous", which of course comes with media intrusion as an occupational hazard.

As the post above says, even if found guilty at court she'd have got a slap on the wrist and with a designated period of self-reflection and quiet time would have been back on the telly. Her career was far from over.

As I said to the missus, "Boy George got sent down for handcuffing a rent boy to a radiator in a coke-fuelled rage. He's still on the telly and a national treasure"

[Terminator X]

untakenname said:

Anyone watch the program on ITV this week about her?
Seemed very one sided and I didn't have much sympathy for her plight as it was all self inflicted by her lifestyle and her actively courting controversy, ironically if she waited a couple of weeks the news would have been back to back Covid so she would have been out of the limelight.

Bit harsh fella. It sounded like she took the end of a relationship badly and had done her entire life + some people just aren't "right" to be in the spotlight eg with fame comes a lot of negative aspects. She also took all the trolling of her social media to heart by the sound of it too. A whole load of events coming together tipped her over the edge imho. Such a really sad story ultimately as she seemed to have it all in many respects.

TX.

[BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo]

Oakey said:

If this was Carl Flack who'd been accused of smashing his girlfriend over the head with a lamp, needed a number of officers to restrain him and his ex had said he was 'toxic' nobody would be having this conversation.

[Randy Winkman]

The social media abuse was a bit much. What sort of losers do stuff like that?

[105.4]

BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo said:

Oakey said:

If this was Carl Flack who'd been accused of smashing his girlfriend over the head with a lamp, needed a number of officers to restrain him and his ex had said he was 'toxic' nobody would be having this conversation.

If standards are going to be applied, they need to be applied evenly.

[Vasco]

untakenname said:

Anyone watch the program on ITV this week about her?
Seemed very one sided and I didn't have much sympathy for her plight as it was all self inflicted by her lifestyle and her actively courting controversy, ironically if she waited a couple of weeks the news would have been back to back Covid so she would have been out of the limelight.

Can't fully agree with you. She was just another person who couldn't handle the trolls and idiots on social media (like many others these days). She clearly felt very bad about what had happened and her fragile mental state at the time meant that she couldn't cope.

You have to be in a very dark place to take your own life.

[Gordon_Roslin]

If she was that keen to 'get away from the spotlight' she could've taken her incredible wealth and gone off to live in Barbados for the rest of her life. Or trained as a mental health nurse, or become a spokesperson for a mental health charity. Instead, despite a situation in which she could've killed another human being, we're being told that the only possible options were 1) we all turn a blind eye to what happened and allow her to cavort around in the spotlight at her leisure on national television (a spotlight she apparently hated when it didn't suit her? Which is it?) or 2) suicide. Appalling hypocrisy and double standards.

[98elise]

Oakey said:

If this was Carl Flack who'd been accused of smashing his girlfriend over the head with a lamp, needed a number of officers to restrain him and his ex had said he was 'toxic' nobody would be having this conversation.

Agreed. You can't ignore violence just because the perpetrator is pretty/famous/female etc.

[uk66fastback]

She needed the validation and love of people she didn’t know to give her life some worth. She was mentally fragile in relationships from very young. Even though the social media abuse was horrific and uncalled for, she couldn’t do without the adulation She did get as she needed it for her own self-worth. Sad, really.

Looking back at this thread, that page from the One Direction mag is appalling and should have got someone fired.

[andrewh]

Gordon_Roslin said:

If she was that keen to 'get away from the spotlight' she could've taken her incredible wealth and gone off to live in Barbados for the rest of her life. Or trained as a mental health nurse, or become a spokesperson for a mental health charity. Instead, despite a situation in which she could've killed another human being, we're being told that the only possible options were 1) we all turn a blind eye to what happened and allow her to cavort around in the spotlight at her leisure on national television (a spotlight she apparently hated when it didn't suit her? Which is it?) or 2) suicide. Appalling hypocrisy and double standards.

She left an £800k estate, reasonable but certainly not enough to match the lifestyle she was living or be able to move to an exotic location for the rest of her life.

[Byker28i]

andrewh said:

She left an £800k estate, reasonable but certainly not enough to match the lifestyle she was living or be able to move to an exotic location for the rest of her life.

Thats about a flat in London...

[cuprabob]

I thought it was a tough watch, especially listening to her Mother and twin sister.

[Randy Winkman]

andrewh said:

Gordon_Roslin said:

If she was that keen to 'get away from the spotlight' she could've taken her incredible wealth and gone off to live in Barbados for the rest of her life. Or trained as a mental health nurse, or become a spokesperson for a mental health charity. Instead, despite a situation in which she could've killed another human being, we're being told that the only possible options were 1) we all turn a blind eye to what happened and allow her to cavort around in the spotlight at her leisure on national television (a spotlight she apparently hated when it didn't suit her? Which is it?) or 2) suicide. Appalling hypocrisy and double standards.

She left an £800k estate, reasonable but certainly not enough to match the lifestyle she was living or be able to move to an exotic location for the rest of her life.

Either way, does Gordon-Roslin not realise that for a person to kill themselves they have to be mentally ill and are therefore not making rational decisions about their choices in life? It's a gradual process where people lose track of what their options are. Gee flipping whizz. Do some people even bother to try to empathise with others?

[majordad]

I don’t believe you have to be mentally ill to kill yourself.

[Challo]

Randy Winkman said:

andrewh said:

Gordon_Roslin said:

If she was that keen to 'get away from the spotlight' she could've taken her incredible wealth and gone off to live in Barbados for the rest of her life. Or trained as a mental health nurse, or become a spokesperson for a mental health charity. Instead, despite a situation in which she could've killed another human being, we're being told that the only possible options were 1) we all turn a blind eye to what happened and allow her to cavort around in the spotlight at her leisure on national television (a spotlight she apparently hated when it didn't suit her? Which is it?) or 2) suicide. Appalling hypocrisy and double standards.

She left an £800k estate, reasonable but certainly not enough to match the lifestyle she was living or be able to move to an exotic location for the rest of her life.

Either way, does Gordon-Roslin not realise that for a person to kill themselves they have to be mentally ill and are therefore not making rational decisions about their choices in life? It's a gradual process where people lose track of what their options are. Gee flipping whizz. Do some people even bother to try to empathise with others?

I watched the documentary and found it tough going. Yes there are both sides to every story, but ultimately she was suffering from mental illness but was never able to reach out to ask for help. The fame and spotlight brought her happiness, but on the other side brought her misery and she final took her own life. No doubt she made some terrible decisions, but some of the social media abuse, and constant media intrusion was horrific.

In the long term she probably would have got her career back on track, and been able to be happy, but it seems the court case, and the shame of everyone knowing that she cut herself and had a breakdown had pushed her over the edge.

[anonymous-user]

Randy Winkman said:

The social media abuse was a bit much. What sort of losers do stuff like that?

Every time I read about the abuse some people receive on social media, it totally baffles me.

Why on earth would anyone feel the urge to be hateful and disgusting to a person they don't even know, or have never had any contact with other than maybe seen them on TV or suchlike?

What do they get out of it?

Unbelievable.