Caroline Flack
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Randy Winkman said:
Either way, does Gordon-Roslin not realise that for a person to kill themselves they have to be mentally ill and are therefore not making rational decisions about their choices in life? It's a gradual process where people lose track of what their options are. Gee flipping whizz. Do some people even bother to try to empathise with others?
I have every sympathy for those suffering from mental illness, particularly if it leads to thoughts of suicidal ideation or actually attempting suicide. My issue is with the hypocrisy of a society that would've gleefully cheered on the suicide of a male in the same position. Would, for example (not that the situations are exactly the same) people have shed tears and cried out in anguish if Michael Barrymore had died as a result of suicide?
Gordon_Roslin said:
Randy Winkman said:
Either way, does Gordon-Roslin not realise that for a person to kill themselves they have to be mentally ill and are therefore not making rational decisions about their choices in life? It's a gradual process where people lose track of what their options are. Gee flipping whizz. Do some people even bother to try to empathise with others?
I have every sympathy for those suffering from mental illness, particularly if it leads to thoughts of suicidal ideation or actually attempting suicide. My issue is with the hypocrisy of a society that would've gleefully cheered on the suicide of a male in the same position. Would, for example (not that the situations are exactly the same) people have shed tears and cried out in anguish if Michael Barrymore had died as a result of suicide?
Byker28i said:
Thats about a flat in London...
Funnily enough she was one of my neighbours in my old place in Bow. She sold her flat in my development in 2016 for 672k after buying it for 410k in 2012. Her range rover was also getting clamped quite often in the carpark by bailiffs.
I saw her a few times but she kept herself to herself generally.
ninepoint2 said:
Maybe harsh, but I fail to see why she warranted an hour long programme about her the other night, a lot of much more important, worthwhile and more talented people have died in the last year or so. Total waste of money IMHO
Whether you liked her or not, it does highlight again the issues we have with depression, suicide, social media and the pressGordon_Roslin said:
If she was that keen to 'get away from the spotlight' she could've taken her incredible wealth and gone off to live in Barbados for the rest of her life. Or trained as a mental health nurse, or become a spokesperson for a mental health charity. Instead, despite a situation in which she could've killed another human being, we're being told that the only possible options were 1) we all turn a blind eye to what happened and allow her to cavort around in the spotlight at her leisure on national television (a spotlight she apparently hated when it didn't suit her? Which is it?) or 2) suicide. Appalling hypocrisy and double standards.
This is a very simplistic and easy thing to say in theory.“You’re not happy, so leave. Get out and go somewhere else”
In reality, giving up a career that you’ve worked 20 years to get is the action of an extremely brave individual.
Not everyone has that self belief or bravery to walk away. Especially one who is clearly mentally ill, as she was.
She would undoubtedly have been treated much worse if she were a male accused of assaulting his girlfriend.
However, in respect of her mental situation, I felt nothing but sympathy for her.
You have no idea of the darkness of the place your head has to be in to even contemplate suicide, let alone go through with it, unless you’ve been to that place.
Muzzer79 said:
This is a very simplistic and easy thing to say in theory.
“You’re not happy, so leave. Get out and go somewhere else”
In reality, giving up a career that you’ve worked 20 years to get is the action of an extremely brave individual.
Not everyone has that self belief or bravery to walk away. Especially one who is clearly mentally ill, as she was.
She would undoubtedly have been treated much worse if she were a male accused of assaulting his girlfriend.
However, in respect of her mental situation, I felt nothing but sympathy for her.
You have no idea of the darkness of the place your head has to be in to even contemplate suicide, let alone go through with it, unless you’ve been to that place.
She could've just jacked it in and lived the high life for the rest of her life, or decided to become a mental health spokesperson or trained as a nurse. Nothing stopping her. Dressing up what happened as 'waahhh wahhhh oooo my dirty nappy, I can't cavort on an island for big money any more because I nearly bludgeoned someone to death with a blunt blow to the head' as if it's somehow heroic beggars belief. Seriously what are you asking, for everyone to just ignore what she did in order to allow her to frolic giggling on a tropic island without consequence?“You’re not happy, so leave. Get out and go somewhere else”
In reality, giving up a career that you’ve worked 20 years to get is the action of an extremely brave individual.
Not everyone has that self belief or bravery to walk away. Especially one who is clearly mentally ill, as she was.
She would undoubtedly have been treated much worse if she were a male accused of assaulting his girlfriend.
However, in respect of her mental situation, I felt nothing but sympathy for her.
You have no idea of the darkness of the place your head has to be in to even contemplate suicide, let alone go through with it, unless you’ve been to that place.
I do wonder what planet people orbit sometimes when it comes to these issues, it's like your head has been warped by intersectionalist post modern neo-marxism.
I ask again, if Michael Barrymore had beaten a woman's head in with a blunt object then whined about not being about to present strike it lucky any more, how would you have reacted?
Gordon_Roslin said:
Muzzer79 said:
This is a very simplistic and easy thing to say in theory.
“You’re not happy, so leave. Get out and go somewhere else”
In reality, giving up a career that you’ve worked 20 years to get is the action of an extremely brave individual.
Not everyone has that self belief or bravery to walk away. Especially one who is clearly mentally ill, as she was.
She would undoubtedly have been treated much worse if she were a male accused of assaulting his girlfriend.
However, in respect of her mental situation, I felt nothing but sympathy for her.
You have no idea of the darkness of the place your head has to be in to even contemplate suicide, let alone go through with it, unless you’ve been to that place.
She could've just jacked it in and lived the high life for the rest of her life, or decided to become a mental health spokesperson or trained as a nurse. Nothing stopping her. Dressing up what happened as 'waahhh wahhhh oooo my dirty nappy, I can't cavort on an island for big money any more because I nearly bludgeoned someone to death with a blunt blow to the head' as if it's somehow heroic beggars belief. Seriously what are you asking, for everyone to just ignore what she did in order to allow her to frolic giggling on a tropic island without consequence?“You’re not happy, so leave. Get out and go somewhere else”
In reality, giving up a career that you’ve worked 20 years to get is the action of an extremely brave individual.
Not everyone has that self belief or bravery to walk away. Especially one who is clearly mentally ill, as she was.
She would undoubtedly have been treated much worse if she were a male accused of assaulting his girlfriend.
However, in respect of her mental situation, I felt nothing but sympathy for her.
You have no idea of the darkness of the place your head has to be in to even contemplate suicide, let alone go through with it, unless you’ve been to that place.
I do wonder what planet people orbit sometimes when it comes to these issues, it's like your head has been warped by intersectionalist post modern neo-marxism.
I ask again, if Michael Barrymore had beaten a woman's head in with a blunt object then whined about not being about to present strike it lucky any more, how would you have reacted?
A) I didn’t excuse her assault, indeed I pointed out how much worse she’d have been treated if she were a man
B) I didn’t suggest that anyone ignore said assault
The fact she assaulted someone is terrible behaviour. However, I sympathise with someone who is driven to such an act as suicide as a result of the shame/guilt of that action.
You have to be completely un-empathetic not to.....not that I expect you to understand that.
And yes, if Barrymore had assaulted someone and then topped himself, I’d sympathise with him aswell.
Sympathising with someone when they are in the darkest of places does not excuse their failings whilst they were alive.
Lord Marylebone said:
Randy Winkman said:
The social media abuse was a bit much. What sort of losers do stuff like that?
Every time I read about the abuse some people receive on social media, it totally baffles me.Why on earth would anyone feel the urge to be hateful and disgusting to a person they don't even know, or have never had any contact with other than maybe seen them on TV or suchlike?
What do they get out of it?
Unbelievable.
One courts support praise and adulation while the other seeks the same by destroying the former.
Challo said:
ninepoint2 said:
Maybe harsh, but I fail to see why she warranted an hour long programme about her the other night, a lot of much more important, worthwhile and more talented people have died in the last year or so. Total waste of money IMHO
Whether you liked her or not, it does highlight again the issues we have with depression, suicide, social media and the pressIt’s easy to blame social media and the press but who’s to say she wouldn’t have committed suicide if she’d been working on the tills at Asda?
In fact I’d go so far as to say that program did exactly the opposite of what it was supposed to do. It reinforced the idea that ‘something must have driven her to it’ when in fact a lot of suicides have no discernible reason.
Relatives and friends can spend a lifetime in anguish wondering why their loved one took their own life. A lot of the time unfortunately they never get answers.
I'd not seen that OneDirection voodoo doll article before. Christ that would affect anyone surely?
Imagine writing that? What should be the deterrent? Ability for the victim to have the perps have their own lives in the spotlight in exchange? May make some think twice, then again we still have Sarah Vine and Julie Birchill shamelessly being utterly repugnant under their real names.
Imagine writing that? What should be the deterrent? Ability for the victim to have the perps have their own lives in the spotlight in exchange? May make some think twice, then again we still have Sarah Vine and Julie Birchill shamelessly being utterly repugnant under their real names.
Edited by DeepEnd on Saturday 20th March 10:54
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