45th President of the United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 8)
Discussion
Al Gorithum said:
Isn't it rather ironic that the acronym TDS is used to describe those against Trump, when it should be used for his followers?
A Derangement Syndrome seems a fitting description for those willing to excuse crimes and appalling behaviours for what - a feeling of MAGA, some (short term) extra dollars in your pocket etc?
In the spirit of disclosure, I'm an entrepreneur that's made £m's so am certainly no Lefty. To give credit where due, I think bringing offshore money back via corporation tax reductions is probably a good thing (some tax is better than no tax), and banning bump stocks is a baby step in the right direction. However, Trump is a common or garden Con-Man making money whilst he can get away with it. He doesn't give an F about anything or anyone else.
I do subscribe to the problem of democracy - two idiots can outvote a genius, but in this case it seems that Trump was aided and abetted by the Old Enemy, which makes him a Traitor.
Am I wrong?
I've tried to have this discussion before, tried again with Jim.A Derangement Syndrome seems a fitting description for those willing to excuse crimes and appalling behaviours for what - a feeling of MAGA, some (short term) extra dollars in your pocket etc?
In the spirit of disclosure, I'm an entrepreneur that's made £m's so am certainly no Lefty. To give credit where due, I think bringing offshore money back via corporation tax reductions is probably a good thing (some tax is better than no tax), and banning bump stocks is a baby step in the right direction. However, Trump is a common or garden Con-Man making money whilst he can get away with it. He doesn't give an F about anything or anyone else.
I do subscribe to the problem of democracy - two idiots can outvote a genius, but in this case it seems that Trump was aided and abetted by the Old Enemy, which makes him a Traitor.
Am I wrong?
Some of the things trump addressed was the right subject but the wrong way to address it. Then when pointed out it was wrong he just doubled down everytime to make it worse.
Dealing with the imbalence of trade with China, good idea, wreaking manufacturers and farmers by killing their market, charging US consumers via tarrifs seemed a strange way to do it. Then double down time and time again...
Some interesting figures given here
https://www.americanactionforum.org/research/the-t...
reuters says it's cost companies $48bn so far
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-econo...
Then the $28bn farmer bailout...
Bump stocks ban was good, but a tiny step to be seen to be doing something whilst not really affecting gun ownership or angering the NRA. It took him a long tome to do that and involved several meetings from the NRA, no doubt reminding him of the money they've given him.
$1tn returned of offshore money from the $4tn trump said would happen, and that flow has dropped to a trickle
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-12-19...
Has this been used partially for the Stock buybacks?
Oh and the TDS is loved by the trumpettes, they like to feel wronged, resort to insults when they cannot discuss, accuse people of hatred when actually it's more astonishment that not only did trump happen, but is allowed to have a free hand...
Jimbeaux said:
Hate is corrosive, it takes all your time (as this obviously does) and eats away at your insides. Stop hating gentlemen, you will feel so much better. 
As usual, people who support Trump are happy for their President, the most powerful person in our world to spread hate, to abuse people on social media and in public, to boost the confidence and standing of immoral and indecent organisations, but as soon as they themselves are on the recieving end of a bit of abuse they go crying to mummy and complain they aren't being treated very well.Well, you can't have it both ways. Decide, you're either with Trump or you're not. Your choice, hate or decency............
Byker28i said:
I've tried to have this discussion before, tried again with Jim.
Some of the things trump addressed was the right subject but the wrong way to address it. Then when pointed out it was wrong he just doubled down everytime to make it worse.
Dealing with the imbalence of trade with China, good idea, wreaking manufacturers and farmers by killing their market, charging US consumers via tarrifs seemed a strange way to do it. Then double down time and time again...
Some interesting figures given here
https://www.americanactionforum.org/research/the-t...
reuters says it's cost companies $48bn so far
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-econo...
Then the $28bn farmer bailout...
Bump stocks ban was good, but a tiny step to be seen to be doing something whilst not really affecting gun ownership or angering the NRA. It took him a long tome to do that and involved several meetings from the NRA, no doubt reminding him of the money they've given him.
$1tn returned of offshore money from the $4tn trump said would happen, and that flow has dropped to a trickle
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-12-19...
Has this been used partially for the Stock buybacks?
Oh and the TDS is loved by the trumpettes, they like to feel wronged, resort to insults when they cannot discuss, accuse people of hatred when actually it's more astonishment that not only did trump happen, but is allowed to have a free hand...
Agreed. Some on here seem to display classic symptoms of confirmation bias.Some of the things trump addressed was the right subject but the wrong way to address it. Then when pointed out it was wrong he just doubled down everytime to make it worse.
Dealing with the imbalence of trade with China, good idea, wreaking manufacturers and farmers by killing their market, charging US consumers via tarrifs seemed a strange way to do it. Then double down time and time again...
Some interesting figures given here
https://www.americanactionforum.org/research/the-t...
reuters says it's cost companies $48bn so far
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-econo...
Then the $28bn farmer bailout...
Bump stocks ban was good, but a tiny step to be seen to be doing something whilst not really affecting gun ownership or angering the NRA. It took him a long tome to do that and involved several meetings from the NRA, no doubt reminding him of the money they've given him.
$1tn returned of offshore money from the $4tn trump said would happen, and that flow has dropped to a trickle
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-12-19...
Has this been used partially for the Stock buybacks?
Oh and the TDS is loved by the trumpettes, they like to feel wronged, resort to insults when they cannot discuss, accuse people of hatred when actually it's more astonishment that not only did trump happen, but is allowed to have a free hand...
And thanks for the effort you've put into this thread
Slaav said:
Is it just me or has this thread gone in a weird direction recently??
When Brits engage with real Americans who vote for Trump and support what he is doing, the differences in viewpoint can become visibly apparent, the results aren't always pretty. Another 4 and a half years of this is probably on the way so we could be at volume 20 by the time its all over
There's a strong opinion piece in todays Washington Post
"The elected Republicans who voted against the impeachment and removal of President Trump owe Army Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman a public apology."
In talking about trumps revenge:
"In the past, such attacks have often seemed the result of impulse. Now they have become systematic. And Trump is not only targeting his enemies; he is intervening in the legal system on behalf of those who implement his will. The president has consistently surrounded himself with con men, grifters and enforcers. His intervention in the Stone case — perhaps previewing the broader abuse of his pardon power — holds out the promise of impunity for his supporters.
At an Iowa rally in 2016, Trump said: “If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them. Just knock the hell out of them. I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees.” Now on a larger stage, he is saying, in effect: If you commit an unethical or illegal act in my service, I will help you avoid legal accountability."
“Accusing the president of authoritarian tactics once seemed exaggerated. Now it is a fair description of the day’s news. A pattern of presidential misbehavior has become a crisis in the rule of law.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/how-republ...
"The elected Republicans who voted against the impeachment and removal of President Trump owe Army Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman a public apology."
In talking about trumps revenge:
"In the past, such attacks have often seemed the result of impulse. Now they have become systematic. And Trump is not only targeting his enemies; he is intervening in the legal system on behalf of those who implement his will. The president has consistently surrounded himself with con men, grifters and enforcers. His intervention in the Stone case — perhaps previewing the broader abuse of his pardon power — holds out the promise of impunity for his supporters.
At an Iowa rally in 2016, Trump said: “If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them. Just knock the hell out of them. I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees.” Now on a larger stage, he is saying, in effect: If you commit an unethical or illegal act in my service, I will help you avoid legal accountability."
“Accusing the president of authoritarian tactics once seemed exaggerated. Now it is a fair description of the day’s news. A pattern of presidential misbehavior has become a crisis in the rule of law.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/how-republ...
Monmouth University Poll puts Warren quite low. After a poor showing so far, is this getting to the end of her chances?
22% Mike Bloomberg
22% Bernie Sanders
18% Joe Biden
11% Pete Buttigieg
9% Amy Klobuchar
5% E Warren
11% undecided
https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports...
Virginia does not have party registration and any voter may participate in the primary. Remember trump told his supporters to go and vote for the weakest candidate to spoil the Dem primaries.
22% Mike Bloomberg
22% Bernie Sanders
18% Joe Biden
11% Pete Buttigieg
9% Amy Klobuchar
5% E Warren
11% undecided
https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports...
Virginia does not have party registration and any voter may participate in the primary. Remember trump told his supporters to go and vote for the weakest candidate to spoil the Dem primaries.
Byker28i said:
There's a strong opinion piece in todays Washington Post
"The elected Republicans who voted against the impeachment and removal of President Trump owe Army Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman a public apology."
In talking about trumps revenge:
"In the past, such attacks have often seemed the result of impulse. Now they have become systematic. And Trump is not only targeting his enemies; he is intervening in the legal system on behalf of those who implement his will. The president has consistently surrounded himself with con men, grifters and enforcers. His intervention in the Stone case — perhaps previewing the broader abuse of his pardon power — holds out the promise of impunity for his supporters.
At an Iowa rally in 2016, Trump said: “If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them. Just knock the hell out of them. I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees.” Now on a larger stage, he is saying, in effect: If you commit an unethical or illegal act in my service, I will help you avoid legal accountability."
“Accusing the president of authoritarian tactics once seemed exaggerated. Now it is a fair description of the day’s news. A pattern of presidential misbehavior has become a crisis in the rule of law.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/how-republ...
Byker28i, as I stated, I would check here every other day once or twice. You are prolific in your news scouring and I commend your hard work. However, an example is this opinion piece. You do realize that there are pro-Trump opinion pieces as well that offer equally valid opinions. Do you ever post any of those or only anti-Trump ones? I ask because you appear to desire the truth, yet only post negatives. "The elected Republicans who voted against the impeachment and removal of President Trump owe Army Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman a public apology."
In talking about trumps revenge:
"In the past, such attacks have often seemed the result of impulse. Now they have become systematic. And Trump is not only targeting his enemies; he is intervening in the legal system on behalf of those who implement his will. The president has consistently surrounded himself with con men, grifters and enforcers. His intervention in the Stone case — perhaps previewing the broader abuse of his pardon power — holds out the promise of impunity for his supporters.
At an Iowa rally in 2016, Trump said: “If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them. Just knock the hell out of them. I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees.” Now on a larger stage, he is saying, in effect: If you commit an unethical or illegal act in my service, I will help you avoid legal accountability."
“Accusing the president of authoritarian tactics once seemed exaggerated. Now it is a fair description of the day’s news. A pattern of presidential misbehavior has become a crisis in the rule of law.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/how-republ...
Here we go again, the russian forces are attacking in Donbas, trying to push back Ukraine forces.
Russia testing US support for Ukraine?
https://www.unian.info/war/10876805-ukraine-report...
However several reports of the russians using heavy weapons, banned under the Minks Agreements.
remember trump sat/is sitting on a $30m weapons order from Ukraine and not delivering
https://thehill.com/policy/international/foreign-a...
Russia testing US support for Ukraine?
https://www.unian.info/war/10876805-ukraine-report...
However several reports of the russians using heavy weapons, banned under the Minks Agreements.
remember trump sat/is sitting on a $30m weapons order from Ukraine and not delivering
https://thehill.com/policy/international/foreign-a...
Jimbeaux said:
Byker28i said:
There's a strong opinion piece in todays Washington Post
"The elected Republicans who voted against the impeachment and removal of President Trump owe Army Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman a public apology."
In talking about trumps revenge:
"In the past, such attacks have often seemed the result of impulse. Now they have become systematic. And Trump is not only targeting his enemies; he is intervening in the legal system on behalf of those who implement his will. The president has consistently surrounded himself with con men, grifters and enforcers. His intervention in the Stone case — perhaps previewing the broader abuse of his pardon power — holds out the promise of impunity for his supporters.
At an Iowa rally in 2016, Trump said: “If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them. Just knock the hell out of them. I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees.” Now on a larger stage, he is saying, in effect: If you commit an unethical or illegal act in my service, I will help you avoid legal accountability."
“Accusing the president of authoritarian tactics once seemed exaggerated. Now it is a fair description of the day’s news. A pattern of presidential misbehavior has become a crisis in the rule of law.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/how-republ...
Byker28i, as I stated, I would check here every other day once or twice. You are prolific in your news scouring and I commend your hard work. However, an example is this opinion piece. You do realize that there are pro-Trump opinion pieces as well that offer equally valid opinions. Do you ever post any of those or only anti-Trump ones? I ask because you appear to desire the truth, yet only post negatives. "The elected Republicans who voted against the impeachment and removal of President Trump owe Army Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman a public apology."
In talking about trumps revenge:
"In the past, such attacks have often seemed the result of impulse. Now they have become systematic. And Trump is not only targeting his enemies; he is intervening in the legal system on behalf of those who implement his will. The president has consistently surrounded himself with con men, grifters and enforcers. His intervention in the Stone case — perhaps previewing the broader abuse of his pardon power — holds out the promise of impunity for his supporters.
At an Iowa rally in 2016, Trump said: “If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them. Just knock the hell out of them. I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees.” Now on a larger stage, he is saying, in effect: If you commit an unethical or illegal act in my service, I will help you avoid legal accountability."
“Accusing the president of authoritarian tactics once seemed exaggerated. Now it is a fair description of the day’s news. A pattern of presidential misbehavior has become a crisis in the rule of law.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/how-republ...
Edited by Digger on Tuesday 18th February 13:23
Jimbeaux said:
Byker28i, as I stated, I would check here every other day once or twice. You are prolific in your news scouring and I commend your hard work. However, an example is this opinion piece. You do realize that there are pro-Trump opinion pieces as well that offer equally valid opinions. Do you ever post any of those or only anti-Trump ones? I ask because you appear to desire the truth, yet only post negatives.
Jimbeaux said:
There are pro-Trump opinion pieces as well that offer equally valid opinions.
There are indeed pro-Trump opinion pieces however the ones I have read tend to be full of a mixture of:- Trump's lies, just repeated.
- More lies.
They are very far from "equally valid" to the anti-Trump ones, mostly because it is perfectly possible to be massively anti-Trump while telling the truth.
That simply isn't possible for pro-Trump as shown by your inability to provide factual evidence to back up the vast majority of your assertions (QED with your current claim).
That said, the WaPo is VERY VERY anti-Trump so I tend to ignore that one too.
Jimbeaux said:
Byker28i, as I stated, I would check here every other day once or twice. You are prolific in your news scouring and I commend your hard work. However, an example is this opinion piece. You do realize that there are pro-Trump opinion pieces as well that offer equally valid opinions. Do you ever post any of those or only anti-Trump ones? I ask because you appear to desire the truth, yet only post negatives.
The (scant amount of) positive things Trump has done have been mentioned Sir.It's just that the negative things are overwhelming. Pretty much on a daily basis.
Shouldn't we give more credence and respect to those trying to keep Trump honest, rather than to those who are ass-lickers/afraid of him?
Byker28i said:
Here we go again, the russian forces are attacking in Donbas, trying to push back Ukraine forces.
Russia testing US support for Ukraine?
https://www.unian.info/war/10876805-ukraine-report...
However several reports of the russians using heavy weapons, banned under the Minks Agreements.
remember trump sat/is sitting on a $30m weapons order from Ukraine and not delivering
https://thehill.com/policy/international/foreign-a...
Well let’s temper that with this:Russia testing US support for Ukraine?
https://www.unian.info/war/10876805-ukraine-report...
However several reports of the russians using heavy weapons, banned under the Minks Agreements.
remember trump sat/is sitting on a $30m weapons order from Ukraine and not delivering
https://thehill.com/policy/international/foreign-a...
Specifically regarding weapons ordered and what their effectiveness would be.
This bit is from an interview with Oleksandr Danylyuk. He is the chairman and founder of the Centre for Defense Reform, an independent think tank in Ukraine focusing on promoting development and reforms in that nation's defense and security sectors.
https://www.militarytimes.com/opinion/commentary/2...
Edited by Jimbeaux on Tuesday 18th February 13:47
walm said:
There are indeed pro-Trump opinion pieces however the ones I have read tend to be full of a mixture of:
- Trump's lies, just repeated.
- More lies.
They are very far from "equally valid" to the anti-Trump ones, mostly because it is perfectly possible to be massively anti-Trump while telling the truth.
That simply isn't possible for pro-Trump as shown by your inability to provide factual evidence to back up the vast majority of your assertions (QED with your current claim).
That said, the WaPo is VERY VERY anti-Trump so I tend to ignore that one too.
So, your take on the validity of counter opinion is simply “They are lies”? Interesting. - Trump's lies, just repeated.
- More lies.
They are very far from "equally valid" to the anti-Trump ones, mostly because it is perfectly possible to be massively anti-Trump while telling the truth.
That simply isn't possible for pro-Trump as shown by your inability to provide factual evidence to back up the vast majority of your assertions (QED with your current claim).
That said, the WaPo is VERY VERY anti-Trump so I tend to ignore that one too.
Additionally, if the WaPo passes your test for too anti Trump, then that should see the NYT, MSNBC added to your list as well imo.
Edited by Jimbeaux on Tuesday 18th February 13:49
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