45th President of the United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 8)

[Seventy]

Jimbeaux said:

Whoa, not so fast. Irrelevant? That the sentencing was deemed too excessive by Barr WAS the issue. He is guilty and was sentenced appropriately. Appropriately turned out to be 40 months, not 7-9 years. That had you all up in arms, but now you see it “irrelevant”? I think I see why this thread has so few regulars.

Jim.
I was not up in arms so please don’t lump me in with everyone else (who were also not ‘all up in arms’).
Thanks.

[Challo]

gregs656 said:

Jimbeaux said:

If I did it would have to be garnered from the media as all things on this thread are. The media did not scrutinize Obama as they do this President, that is a fact that if anyone were to deny, they are being fantastical.

How do you quantify that? It sounds unlikely to me, but it may be the case that the media spent less time on Obama simply because Obama was worse for their ratings because there was fewer negative stories to run with?

As the report you brought to us points out, the negative press around trump is 'hardly surprising' and the media have a bias towards negative stories as it generates income for them.

Given the weight you placed on that report, if you really believe that Obama did not get the same coverage as Trump you are also accepting it is because there were fewer negative stories to report. Which somewhat undermines your current position, or your previous one.

Quite a funny video by the Daily Show. Show Fox News and their huge Obama scandals when he was president.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MWxq80oze0

Probaly been posted before but always worth another watch.

[Seventy]

That tan suit was surely a bigger scandal than anything Trump has managed so far.

[Jimbeaux]

Seventy said:

Jim.
I was not up in arms so please don’t lump me in with everyone else (who were also not ‘all up in arms’).
Thanks.

I was using “you” as the greater “you” meaning the thread posters as a whole. Not you specifically. I apologize if it seemed I meant you individually.
I disagree that others in this thread were not up in arms because they clearly were as the frenzie indicated.

[Challo]

Tallow said:

Jimbeaux said:

True, but there again you expose a point. By 43, Trump been embroiled in the business world for 10-20 years. Obama was going to uni and had a job as a communities organizer. Straight from there to the Senate for one term (which is not and executive position, so no executive experience) the the Presidency. So yes, much easier to stay “clean”.

Are you suggesting then that the amount of dirt there is on Trump is normal for a man in his 70s? It looks to me like he was already well into it in his forties. I'm in my early 40s and have either been a business owner or board member for over 15 years. I don't think there's a great deal of dirt to dig up on me. I concede that my business empire isn't anything like that scale (although nor was my inheritence, I might add), but I don't think being in business necessarily means you're collating dirt as you go. I am sure you also wouldn't have the level of "stuff" that Trump does.

Whilst Obama might well have had reasons for not having the same baggage as Trump, that doesn't mean Trump's baggage is in any way normal.

Trump doesn't seem to have gathered a little bit of dirt due to business. he actively went out to find as much dirt and cover himself in it. He has a history of being corrupt in business, not paying bills, and basically using his wealth to sue everyone to avoid paying companies.

[Jimbeaux]

Challo said:

Quite a funny video by the Daily Show. Show Fox News and their huge Obama scandals when he was president.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MWxq80oze0

Probaly been posted before but always worth another watch.

And one could find equally funny material watching Rachel Maddow on MSNBC pontificate on what was going to happen with Trump over and over and be consistently wrong (without having to have a separate comedy show do it). But we won’t see that on here, which further illustrates my point.

[Jimbeaux]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

“Ties with white supremacists”?

[Jimbeaux]

Seventy said:

That tan suit was surely a bigger scandal than anything Trump has managed so far.

Why are tan suits even manufactured? Perhaps that is something useful the U.N. Could waste our money on investigating.

[Seventy]

You've got to agree though Jim - that suit was a disgrace and entirely unbecoming of a world leader.
Fox were right to call it out.

[Tallow]

Challo said:

Quite a funny video by the Daily Show. Show Fox News and their huge Obama scandals when he was president.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MWxq80oze0

Probaly been posted before but always worth another watch.

Indeed, I posted it this morning

[Jimbeaux]

Seventy said:

You've got to agree though Jim - that suit was a disgrace and entirely unbecoming of a world leader.
Fox were right to call it out.

Yes. Most of his suits are subpar imo.

[Jimbeaux]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Ok. Thanks.

[Gameface]

Russia have denied an interference in the 2020 election.

That's put my mind at ease.

[_dobbo_]

Jimbeaux said:

Challo said:

Quite a funny video by the Daily Show. Show Fox News and their huge Obama scandals when he was president.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MWxq80oze0

Probaly been posted before but always worth another watch.

And one could find equally funny material watching Rachel Maddow on MSNBC pontificate on what was going to happen with Trump over and over and be consistently wrong (without having to have a separate comedy show do it). But we won’t see that on here, which further illustrates my point.

Your point was that he wasn't investigated as much. Do you genuinely believe that Fox news didn't bother looking for any real dirt, and just went with "OMG HE USED A SELFIE STICK!!!" "TAN SUIT!!!!" "UMBERELLORRR"

Jimbeaux said:

Seventy said:

You've got to agree though Jim - that suit was a disgrace and entirely unbecoming of a world leader.
Fox were right to call it out.

Yes. Most of his suits are subpar imo.

Of course, whereas Trump is quite the clothes horse, and his make-up game is amazing. I especially like when he's wearing a man nappy (that's diaper for you Jim - this may not be true, but you know, it looks like he does).

[Gameface]

Glueing MAGA hat's to pigeons.

Republicans always take the high road.

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2020/02/21/pigeon...

[Jimbeaux]

_dobbo_ said:

Of course, whereas Trump is quite the clothes horse, and his make-up game is amazing. I especially like when he's wearing a man nappy (that's diaper for you Jim - this may not be true, but you know, it looks like he does).

Sorry, I was saying that Trump’s suits are all subpar imo. I was not aiming that at Obama.
Either way, I’m glad we have covered this important issue thoroughly.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Friday 21st February 17:40

[kowalski655]

Jimbeaux said:

.... You will see dirt exposed on whoever the eventual Dem candidate is as well.

I think you'll struggle on Sanders.
Bloomberg,in the debate,carried to paint him as a millionaire with 3 houses,so the same as him. Bloomberg has 14 houses and 9 planes!!!!

[paulguitar]

Jimbeaux said:

Obama is 20+ years younger and literally had no job to speak of before becoming a Senator.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Friday 21st February 14:01

Wasn't Obama professor of constitutional law at Harvard?

[paulguitar]

Jimbeaux said:

Al Gorithum said:

OK thank you. So are you saying that the reason Obama wasn't caught doing anything like Trump has, it's because the media wasn't scrutinising him?

I say that is a part of the reason. You can flame away as others certainly will but I think we all know this to be true. Maybe not so many on this small-grouped thread; however, the wider Scope would find a substantial number agreeing with me.

Disappointing. You must know very well that Fox descended into hysteria over:

1. Obama wearing a brown suit.
2. Obama having ‘date nights’ with his wife.
3. Obama asking for Dijon mustard on a burger.

Do you sincerely believe, and perhaps more importantly, expect us to believe, that if Obama had committed adultery, business failings, collusion with foreign enemies, obstruction of justice, collusion with felons, quid pro quos, stealing from charities, being banned from operating charities, running a fake university, putting unqualified and un-vetted members of his family in positions of authority/national security, firing decent professional people, campaign finance violations, filling his pockets at the taxpayers expense etc, Fox would not have been ALL OVER IT?

[Jimbeaux]

kowalski655 said:

I think you'll struggle on Sanders.
Bloomberg,in the debate,carried to paint him as a millionaire with 3 houses,so the same as him. Bloomberg has 14 houses and 9 planes!!!!

See, the more houses and planes you own, the dirtier you must be.