No meat on expenses - forced vegetarianism?

No meat on expenses - forced vegetarianism?

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Countdown

39,963 posts

197 months

Wednesday 19th February 2020
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anonymous said:
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To be honest, if an Employee came to me talking about his "fundamental rights and the balance of power" I'd tell him to leave. Your post is verging on the pathetic, nobody but nobody would get THAT upset about changes to the subsistence policy. If they did I'd wonder how they dealt with genuine problems.

You being able to have a bacon sarnie is NOT a fundamental right.

Jinx

11,394 posts

261 months

Wednesday 19th February 2020
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Countdown said:
To be honest, if an Employee came to me talking about his "fundamental rights and the balance of power" I'd tell him to leave. Your post is verging on the pathetic, nobody but nobody would get THAT upset about changes to the subsistence policy. If they did I'd wonder how they dealt with genuine problems.

You being able to have a bacon sarnie is NOT a fundamental right.
How about this hypothetical: Only vegitarian item on the menu contains a substance you are allergic to? Is it fair to force you to pay for your own meal?

chrispmartha

15,501 posts

130 months

Wednesday 19th February 2020
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Countdown said:
anonymous said:
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To be honest, if an Employee came to me talking about his "fundamental rights and the balance of power" I'd tell him to leave. Your post is verging on the pathetic, nobody but nobody would get THAT upset about changes to the subsistence policy. If they did I'd wonder how they dealt with genuine problems.

You being able to have a bacon sarnie is NOT a fundamental right.
It's even more pathetic as in this instance the employees voted it through, the company even stated "We realised we needed the whole company to come on board, it couldn't just be imposed," she says.


Some of the posts are quite funny on here, quite unintentionally though.

chrispmartha

15,501 posts

130 months

Wednesday 19th February 2020
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Jinx said:
Countdown said:
To be honest, if an Employee came to me talking about his "fundamental rights and the balance of power" I'd tell him to leave. Your post is verging on the pathetic, nobody but nobody would get THAT upset about changes to the subsistence policy. If they did I'd wonder how they dealt with genuine problems.

You being able to have a bacon sarnie is NOT a fundamental right.
How about this hypothetical: Only vegitarian item on the menu contains a substance you are allergic to? Is it fair to force you to pay for your own meal?
No and I'm sure companies would have dispensations for such things, you know like the company in question.

But the policy is self-policing and Ms Marfleet says employees should be able to make their own decisions based on their dietary requirements.
"If you're gluten-free and there's no suitable vegetarian option, then you can make a choice," she says.

Countdown

39,963 posts

197 months

Wednesday 19th February 2020
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Jinx said:
Countdown said:
To be honest, if an Employee came to me talking about his "fundamental rights and the balance of power" I'd tell him to leave. Your post is verging on the pathetic, nobody but nobody would get THAT upset about changes to the subsistence policy. If they did I'd wonder how they dealt with genuine problems.

You being able to have a bacon sarnie is NOT a fundamental right.
How about this hypothetical: Only vegitarian item on the menu contains a substance you are allergic to? Is it fair to force you to pay for your own meal?
I'd go to another restaurant.
I'd ask the owner if he could knock me up some egg and chips
I'd buy some food with my own money.
I'd get a Tesco Meal Deal.

The options are almost endless.

amusingduck

9,398 posts

137 months

Wednesday 19th February 2020
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chrispmartha said:
Jinx said:
Countdown said:
To be honest, if an Employee came to me talking about his "fundamental rights and the balance of power" I'd tell him to leave. Your post is verging on the pathetic, nobody but nobody would get THAT upset about changes to the subsistence policy. If they did I'd wonder how they dealt with genuine problems.

You being able to have a bacon sarnie is NOT a fundamental right.
How about this hypothetical: Only vegitarian item on the menu contains a substance you are allergic to? Is it fair to force you to pay for your own meal?
No and I'm sure companies would have dispensations for such things, you know like the company in question.

But the policy is self-policing and Ms Marfleet says employees should be able to make their own decisions based on their dietary requirements.
"If you're gluten-free and there's no suitable vegetarian option, then you can make a choice," she says.
Might as well claim for the bacon sarnie after all thumbup

borcy

2,915 posts

57 months

Wednesday 19th February 2020
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amusingduck said:
Might as well claim for the bacon sarnie after all thumbup
Precisely the whole thing is a bit of free publicity.

bitchstewie

51,381 posts

211 months

Wednesday 19th February 2020
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Countdown said:
To be honest, if an Employee came to me talking about his "fundamental rights and the balance of power" I'd tell him to leave. Your post is verging on the pathetic, nobody but nobody would get THAT upset about changes to the subsistence policy. If they did I'd wonder how they dealt with genuine problems.

You being able to have a bacon sarnie is NOT a fundamental right.
That's the most bizarre thing about this thread.

Most of the people saying what an appalling breach of peoples rights this is are usually whining about "snowflakes" and "woke".

Unreal hehe

Gecko1978

9,728 posts

158 months

Wednesday 19th February 2020
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Countdown said:
Jinx said:
Countdown said:
To be honest, if an Employee came to me talking about his "fundamental rights and the balance of power" I'd tell him to leave. Your post is verging on the pathetic, nobody but nobody would get THAT upset about changes to the subsistence policy. If they did I'd wonder how they dealt with genuine problems.

You being able to have a bacon sarnie is NOT a fundamental right.
How about this hypothetical: Only vegitarian item on the menu contains a substance you are allergic to? Is it fair to force you to pay for your own meal?
I'd go to another restaurant.
I'd ask the owner if he could knock me up some egg and chips
I'd buy some food with my own money.
I'd get a Tesco Meal Deal.

The options are almost endless.
my feeling is an employer can set the value of your meal, they can specify it does not contain foods that impair your ability to do your job (alcohol). But a certain diet seems to overstep. But the company as a whole voted so is what it is.

captain_cynic

12,060 posts

96 months

Wednesday 19th February 2020
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chrispmartha said:
It's even more pathetic as in this instance the employees voted it through, the company even stated "We realised we needed the whole company to come on board, it couldn't just be imposed," she says.


Some of the posts are quite funny on here, quite unintentionally though.
This.

They're all getting their knickers in a twist over a private company policy. A company they don't work for, will likely never work for and if they did, would have the option of resigning over it.

I highly doubt they understand the irony when they call others "professionally offended".

Down and out

2,700 posts

65 months

Wednesday 19th February 2020
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bhstewie said:
That's the most bizarre thing about this thread.

Most of the people saying what an appalling breach of peoples rights this is are usually whining about "snowflakes" and "woke".

Unreal hehe
I'm sure there would have been a lot of "whining" if a company had a meat only policy.

Agammemnon

1,628 posts

59 months

Wednesday 19th February 2020
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Gecko1978 said:
. But the company as a whole voted
Apart from the dissenters & possibly those who decided that dissent would limit their career options.

oyster

12,608 posts

249 months

Wednesday 19th February 2020
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Gecko1978 said:
Countdown said:
Jinx said:
Countdown said:
To be honest, if an Employee came to me talking about his "fundamental rights and the balance of power" I'd tell him to leave. Your post is verging on the pathetic, nobody but nobody would get THAT upset about changes to the subsistence policy. If they did I'd wonder how they dealt with genuine problems.

You being able to have a bacon sarnie is NOT a fundamental right.
How about this hypothetical: Only vegitarian item on the menu contains a substance you are allergic to? Is it fair to force you to pay for your own meal?
I'd go to another restaurant.
I'd ask the owner if he could knock me up some egg and chips
I'd buy some food with my own money.
I'd get a Tesco Meal Deal.

The options are almost endless.
my feeling is an employer can set the value of your meal, they can specify it does not contain foods that impair your ability to do your job (alcohol). But a certain diet seems to overstep. But the company as a whole voted so is what it is.
What about an expense policy that maintains employees within stated environmental or corporate social policies and strategies that the company, as a whole follow.

If the stated policy of such a company is to reduce meat consumption and its effect on the environment, then having an employee expense policy to support this makes perfect sense.

coldel

7,899 posts

147 months

Wednesday 19th February 2020
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Its discrimination plain and simple, sure they voted for it on the whole but it discriminates against those who may want to join in future.

Anyway its all a moot point, they have done it for social media clicks and profile raising, given most will on their lunch time not be claiming it as an expense and just eating at the office as normal it really is almost irrelevant in terms of being 'green' - I bet if you popped by their office right now you would find BLTs etc. being eaten for lunch as normal.

Cotty

39,570 posts

285 months

Wednesday 19th February 2020
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chrispmartha said:
It's even more pathetic as in this instance the employees voted it through, the company even stated "We realised we needed the whole company to come on board, it couldn't just be imposed," she says.
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Looking at this comment "internal vote and passed, with a few dissenters" it doesn't appear that 100% of the staff voted for it. Interesting that they didn't give the percentages for and against.

bitchstewie

51,381 posts

211 months

Wednesday 19th February 2020
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Down and out said:
bhstewie said:
That's the most bizarre thing about this thread.

Most of the people saying what an appalling breach of peoples rights this is are usually whining about "snowflakes" and "woke".

Unreal hehe
I'm sure there would have been a lot of "whining" if a company had a meat only policy.
I don't think I've heard of anyone claiming they can only eat meat for ethical/belief reasons so I'm not sure it's a fair comparison.

I go back to what I said earlier which is that I tend to think that if this policy annoys someone there are likely to be other things about the company that mean they're just not a great fit.

chrispmartha

15,501 posts

130 months

Wednesday 19th February 2020
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coldel said:
Its discrimination plain and simple, sure they voted for it on the whole but it discriminates against those who may want to join in future.

Anyway its all a moot point, they have done it for social media clicks and profile raising, given most will on their lunch time not be claiming it as an expense and just eating at the office as normal it really is almost irrelevant in terms of being 'green' - I bet if you popped by their office right now you would find BLTs etc. being eaten for lunch as normal.
It’s not discriminatory, how does this stop meat eaters getting a meal on expenses?

coldel

7,899 posts

147 months

Wednesday 19th February 2020
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chrispmartha said:
coldel said:
Its discrimination plain and simple, sure they voted for it on the whole but it discriminates against those who may want to join in future.

Anyway its all a moot point, they have done it for social media clicks and profile raising, given most will on their lunch time not be claiming it as an expense and just eating at the office as normal it really is almost irrelevant in terms of being 'green' - I bet if you popped by their office right now you would find BLTs etc. being eaten for lunch as normal.
It’s not discriminatory, how does this stop meat eaters getting a meal on expenses?
Well make it so that you can only claim expenses on plain sliced bread yes? Thats fine as everyone can still get lunch.

chrispmartha

15,501 posts

130 months

Wednesday 19th February 2020
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coldel said:
chrispmartha said:
coldel said:
Its discrimination plain and simple, sure they voted for it on the whole but it discriminates against those who may want to join in future.

Anyway its all a moot point, they have done it for social media clicks and profile raising, given most will on their lunch time not be claiming it as an expense and just eating at the office as normal it really is almost irrelevant in terms of being 'green' - I bet if you popped by their office right now you would find BLTs etc. being eaten for lunch as normal.
It’s not discriminatory, how does this stop meat eaters getting a meal on expenses?
Well make it so that you can only claim expenses on plain sliced bread yes? Thats fine as everyone can still get lunch.
If that was an expenses policy of a private company and it passed an internal vote within that company, why not, and this is what I don’t get, why would you care?

coldel

7,899 posts

147 months

Wednesday 19th February 2020
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chrispmartha said:
If that was an expenses policy of a private company and it passed an internal vote within that company, why not, and this is what I don’t get, why would you care?
I dont care, like I said its just click bait by the company to raise its profile. Its discrimination because its deliberately exclusive. Vegetarianism is a lifestyle choice for most, they can eat meat no problem. As the report said not everyone voted for it, so some peoples choices are being discriminated against.

But like I say, couldn't care less, the reasons for it i.e. save the planet are a load of old horse st they are looking for air time.