No meat on expenses - forced vegetarianism?
Discussion
devnull said:
I know that attitudes to alcohol consumption are changing, and possibly quite rightly so. I wouldn't be surprised in my lifetime that alcohol is socially unacceptable as smoking eventually. However, in business it is still an important tool for social lubrication and striking deals and building relationships.
Replaced with vacuous shallow relationships socialising on social media and copious amounts of antidepressants. Grate. julian64 said:
I want to know why a company pays for its staffs lunches at all.
It's a good question. The response from staff groups is usually "If we were in the office we'd bring something from home. We can't do that if we're travelling for work so we have to eat out. This is more expensive and therefore work should pay for it". HMRC have a "wholly, necessarily, and exclusively" principle but, for some reason, they don't apply it to subsistence allowances.citizensm1th said:
Threads like this always make me wonder just what vegans and the like think would happen to all the million upon millions of meat producing animals if everyone was to go vegan?
They'd be set free to live out the rest of their lives on Farmer Jones' farm in Sunnydale Meadow.citizensm1th said:
Threads like this always make me wonder just what vegans and the like think would happen to all the million upon millions of meat producing animals if everyone was to go vegan?
It isn't going to happen overnight. And even a dairy cow is unlikely to reach 7 years, so it would just be a natural decline in the industry.Or dog food.
Countdown said:
citizensm1th said:
Threads like this always make me wonder just what vegans and the like think would happen to all the million upon millions of meat producing animals if everyone was to go vegan?
They'd be set free to live out the rest of their lives on Farmer Jones' farm in Sunnydale Meadow.
king pigs as well? 😁 Zetec-S said:
In the article WeWork said:
WeWork cited research suggesting going vegetarian was "one of the biggest things an individual can do to reduce their personal environmental impact" and estimated its change would save 16.6 million gallons of water, 445.1 million pounds of CO2 emissions and 15,507,103 animals over five years.
Evanivitch said:
citizensm1th said:
Threads like this always make me wonder just what vegans and the like think would happen to all the million upon millions of meat producing animals if everyone was to go vegan?
It isn't going to happen overnight. And even a dairy cow is unlikely to reach 7 years, so it would just be a natural decline in the industry.Or dog food.
devnull said:
I saw the rule this morning on the news and thought it was a bit crazy. I don't mind reducing my meat consumption, but banning it altogether is a bit silly. Additionally, it's bloody hard sometimes to be in a hotel and not find something vegetarian other than a token salad or a nut roast. Even worse if you're on a multi-day business trip as you usually end up eating your way through the menu.
As an example of banning things, my last employer figured out that the company was spending £x million a year purely on alcohol, so took the decision to ban employees from ordering alcohol with any meal. or at any social event. You could buy a customer a beer, but not yourself.
What then happened is that everyone got a bit wise with figuring out how alcohol appeared on receipts. In fact, it really only worked out that having any mention of an alcoholic drink on the receipt was actually the problem, not the Such examples:
A decade or so ago I worked in the online gaming/gambling industry. One Monday morning I had to negotiate with the Global Operations Director to sign off a receipt from a team night out, ostensibly our Christmas do, although the company always put on a big event/paid for us all to attend a large corporate bash in any case - this was just for the 10 or so customer helpdesk staff. Her main gripe was why the f@ck was there 72 shots of sambuca on the receipt, which was only drinks after we'd eaten, the team manager having paid for the food...I told her the truth: it was "only" 72 because they ran out! They sent me to Malta with a company credit card soon after that which was mostly used in bars and restaurants...happy days!As an example of banning things, my last employer figured out that the company was spending £x million a year purely on alcohol, so took the decision to ban employees from ordering alcohol with any meal. or at any social event. You could buy a customer a beer, but not yourself.
What then happened is that everyone got a bit wise with figuring out how alcohol appeared on receipts. In fact, it really only worked out that having any mention of an alcoholic drink on the receipt was actually the problem, not the Such examples:
- Employees getting questioned as to how there were 20 beers on a receipt but no soft drink. Employee said they only had tap water (which was true). Employee was actually in more trouble for not producing a receipt that showed beer + non alcoholic drink than genuinely not buying a soft drink at all, because the finance drones assumed that they were cheating. The norm from then on was to just buy beers and a couple of token cokes.
- Figure out the establishments didn't mind making up receipts. One team meal out had 40 'Yogurts' on it.
- Get the customer to buy you a beer
- Going to hotels that didn't show beer on the final invoices - usually shows up as 'hotel-name restaurant: £40'.
On-topic, it's easy enough to fiddle...I'd be tempted to buy various meaty flavoured crisps and snacks, having checked they were veggie, just to mess with the accounts gestapo.
Countdown said:
We have a no alcohol policy )except for Board members) We're still spending £200k/month on travel and probably upwards of £50k on subsistence. We've got VC facilities, Skype, putting in place MS Teams but a lot of people still enjoy the pleasure/torture of travelling.
In relation to the OP - it's usually discernible from the receipt what the item was so I don't think many people would take the gamble of not having it reimbursed. My view is "Their Expenses Policy, their rules". If you want to have meat pay for it yourself.
For us it is because our clients are at random locations in the country. If you're not on client site, you're not going to win more work, simple as that. It's all about relationships, being with people and doing a better job than the competition because you really understand the business you are in. We are making mincemeat of competitors who do the whole "offsite" thing and just appear on VC. If you want to nail senior management, Friday is the day to do it because no one else is there and they're in the mood for a long lunch.In relation to the OP - it's usually discernible from the receipt what the item was so I don't think many people would take the gamble of not having it reimbursed. My view is "Their Expenses Policy, their rules". If you want to have meat pay for it yourself.
When we decided to play hardball with expenses all the decent people said "you want me to inconvenience myself by travelling, and then you're going to yank my chain on expenses?" and moved to office locations close to home. We suffered as a result and it was reversed. We simply couldn't staff project locations away from where people lived.
Our CEO who is a fuller figured man has decred that as of this January we will have a Vegi Wednesday. This has met with fanfare from those who are vegan, but he may be in trouble. If you as a company provide meals that employees don't pay for such as a Prison or a school it has to meet certain nutritional base levels, but even then they should offer an option of Vegan/Kosha/Halaal/Gluten free etc if this is regular thing. So Susan bringing in cake doesn't have to work to food and health regs.
The other grey area is if they are getting paid whist they are at lunch, again the employer has some leaway. People have asked to opt out and been told No, they have gone off site to eat or got Uber eats delivered are being told they are not in lines with company values.
But thanks to our "Go Woke Go Broke" policy this is also being used against them, as you can't have a Meat Thursday either as they gave a raft of human rights and legal definitions why this couldn't happen which applies to non vegitarian people too as they are people too
The other grey area is if they are getting paid whist they are at lunch, again the employer has some leaway. People have asked to opt out and been told No, they have gone off site to eat or got Uber eats delivered are being told they are not in lines with company values.
But thanks to our "Go Woke Go Broke" policy this is also being used against them, as you can't have a Meat Thursday either as they gave a raft of human rights and legal definitions why this couldn't happen which applies to non vegitarian people too as they are people too
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