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DeepEnd said:
Vanden Saab said:
DeepEnd said:
Looks like Nigel’s chums have taken a beating and will now be kicked out of parliament in Hamburg.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/...
It seems some were shouting “Nazi’s out!”
Commiserations for their supporters here on PH.
If a 1.3% reduction in vote share is a beating I wonder what you would call the last Labour result?https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/...
It seems some were shouting “Nazi’s out!”
Commiserations for their supporters here on PH.
Sorry for your loss.
DeepEnd said:
Vanden Saab said:
Not my loss but it is amusing you think it is...It will be interesting to see if the actual results match the exit poll you are basing your crowing on...
Are you hoping they don’t and AfD retain their position? 
amusingduck said:
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: Is there really anything "funny" in light of recent events about people turning to people with those sorts of views and policies? 
Why do they feel the need to vote for them?It seems they scraped it with 5.3%.
Still not sure there's anything funny about it.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:amusingduck said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Is there really anything "funny" in light of recent events about people turning to people with those sorts of views and policies?
Why do they feel the need to vote for them?It seems they scraped it with 5.3%.
Still not sure there's anything funny about it.
It reminded me of other recent election results...
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:amusingduck said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Is there really anything "funny" in light of recent events about people turning to people with those sorts of views and policies?
Why do they feel the need to vote for them?It seems they scraped it with 5.3%.
Still not sure there's anything funny about it.
CarreraLightweightRacing said:
Am I right in assuming The AFD are about on paar with The Brexit party or are they on another level? I've seen a couple of their videos from inside the Bundestag from Alice (can't remember surname) on youtube, in German. I didn't notice anything particularly noteworthy?
I'd say the AfD are on another level with a written manifesto.I've no issue believing that the majority of people who joined the Brexit Party did so because they wanted to leave the EU and nothing more.
But as I said on the Farage thread I'd also say to look at the words and actions of their leader so far as speaking at an AfD rally and the other stuff and keep in mind that the same 5% that voted for the AfD in Germany also exist in the UK and support the sort of views they promote in their manifesto.
When there's an election who are they most likely to vote for?
CarreraLightweightRacing said:
So here is an extract relating to what you are referring to:
7.6.1 Islam does not belong to Germany
Islam does not belong to Germany. Its expansion and the ever-increasing number of Muslims in the country are viewed by the AfD as a danger to our state, our society, and our values. An Islam which neither respects nor refrains from being in conflict with our legal system, or that even lays claim to power as the only true religion, is incompatible with our legal system and our culture. Many Muslims live as law-abiding and well-integrated citizens amongst us, and are accepted and valued members of our society. However, the AfD demands that an end is put to the formation and increased segregation by parallel Islamic societies relying on courts with shari’a laws. The AfD wishes to curb a trend towards religious radicalisation amongst Muslims, and these turning into violent Salafists or terrorists.
So reading this it makes clear that integrated and law abiding Muslim citizens are accepted and valued members of their society but they want to put an end to Shari'a laws. Honestly, I fail to see based on what is stated here in their manifesto, what is so inherently wrong? I'm sure every country wants their citizens to live harmoniously together without special laws singled out for special groups which defy their constitution and law.
What is wrong is the stupidity of the statement. Shari law has no standing in German and would not be applied by the German courts. If some people wish to go to ask for the view of a Shari court how do you stop them? After all no matter what the Shari Court says they can still go to the German court which will have no interest in the decision of the Shari court, unless both parties have agreed to be bound by the courts finding, and will apply German law. 7.6.1 Islam does not belong to Germany
Islam does not belong to Germany. Its expansion and the ever-increasing number of Muslims in the country are viewed by the AfD as a danger to our state, our society, and our values. An Islam which neither respects nor refrains from being in conflict with our legal system, or that even lays claim to power as the only true religion, is incompatible with our legal system and our culture. Many Muslims live as law-abiding and well-integrated citizens amongst us, and are accepted and valued members of our society. However, the AfD demands that an end is put to the formation and increased segregation by parallel Islamic societies relying on courts with shari’a laws. The AfD wishes to curb a trend towards religious radicalisation amongst Muslims, and these turning into violent Salafists or terrorists.
So reading this it makes clear that integrated and law abiding Muslim citizens are accepted and valued members of their society but they want to put an end to Shari'a laws. Honestly, I fail to see based on what is stated here in their manifesto, what is so inherently wrong? I'm sure every country wants their citizens to live harmoniously together without special laws singled out for special groups which defy their constitution and law.
Mrr T said:
What is wrong is the stupidity of the statement. Shari law has no standing in German and would not be applied by the German courts. If some people wish to go to ask for the view of a Shari court how do you stop them? After all no matter what the Shari Court says they can still go to the German court which will have no interest in the decision of the Shari court, unless both parties have agreed to be bound by the courts finding, and will apply German law.
Let's turn that around and suggest that the afd revealed plans for their own court let's call it a people's court, volksgerichtshof if you like. Would you be so understanding? Vanden Saab said:
Mrr T said:
What is wrong is the stupidity of the statement. Shari law has no standing in German and would not be applied by the German courts. If some people wish to go to ask for the view of a Shari court how do you stop them? After all no matter what the Shari Court says they can still go to the German court which will have no interest in the decision of the Shari court, unless both parties have agreed to be bound by the courts finding, and will apply German law.
Let's turn that around and suggest that the afd revealed plans for their own court let's call it a people's court, volksgerichtshof if you like. Would you be so understanding? It would have to require both sides to agree to the use of the court.
Only the state has the right to try and punish criminals. A afd court could try and punish a crimal case but any punishment, even a fine would not be enforceable. If the court imposed an physical punishment such as imprisonment the court it self and the judges would be potentially committing a criminal act.
On civil matters so long as 2 parties agree to accept the decision of a 3rd party that's just a form of arbitration. Arbitration decisions can still be over turned in a state Court.
In civil matters such as marriage you need to distinguish between religious marriage and legal marriage. A religious court may rule on the religious marriage. Both parties may agree to abide by a ruling. However, either party can still go to the state Court where the reality of any breakdown of a marriage on children, money, would be governed by state law.
Edited by Mrr T on Monday 24th February 11:29
Mrr T said:
Vanden Saab said:
Mrr T said:
What is wrong is the stupidity of the statement. Shari law has no standing in German and would not be applied by the German courts. If some people wish to go to ask for the view of a Shari court how do you stop them? After all no matter what the Shari Court says they can still go to the German court which will have no interest in the decision of the Shari court, unless both parties have agreed to be bound by the courts finding, and will apply German law.
Let's turn that around and suggest that the afd revealed plans for their own court let's call it a people's court, volksgerichtshof if you like. Would you be so understanding? It would have to require both sides to agree to the use of the court.
Only the state has the right to try and punish criminals. A afd court could try and punish a crimal case but any punishment, even a fine would not be enforceable. If the court imposed an physical punishment such as imprisonment the court it self and the judges would be potentially committing a criminal act.
On civil matters so long as 2 parties agree to accept the decision of a 3rd party that's just a form of arbitration. Arbitration decisions can still be over turned in a state Court.
In civil matters such as marriage you need to distinguish between religious marriage and legal marriage.
Vanden Saab said:
If you knew anything about German history you might understand why Germans might have a problem with alternative courts but it seems that you do not...
You'd hope they would have a problem with a political party targeting one demographic for 'special treatment' too. Sadly, just over 5% of them do not.Vanden Saab said:
If you knew anything about German history you might understand why Germans might have a problem with alternative courts but it seems that you do not...
I think I know enough about German to know the difference between an alternative court which requires both sides to agree to its decision and one which try to impose its view on party who do not recognise it. The afd know they are racist, they also know they cannot express the racist directly. So they focus on something which only affects a very small number of the Muslim community. Who also have to agree to the authority of the Shiria court and still have the option to use the state courts if they wish.
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