Shooting in Germany...

[bitchstewie]

AW111 said:

We're drifting well into "blame the victims" territory here..

I don't know if I'd go that far but it's certain an eye-opener with how some people seem to think.

[vixen1700]

Car drove into a parade in Germany today. Ten injured.

https://news.sky.com/story/germany-several-injured...

[Triumph Trollomite]

vixen1700 said:

Car drove into a parade in Germany today. Ten injured.

https://news.sky.com/story/germany-several-injured...

Nine

[CarreraLightweightRacing]

Triumph Trollomite said:

vixen1700 said:

Car drove into a parade in Germany today. Ten injured.

https://news.sky.com/story/germany-several-injured...

Nine

Just read on MSN news 30.
With the previous incident in Hanau, the suspect was immediately named. For some reason, although arrested at the scene, no details have emerged yet as far as I'm aware.

[Triumph Trollomite]

CarreraLightweightRacing said:

Just read on MSN news 30.
With the previous incident in Hanau, the suspect was immediately named. For some reason, although arrested at the scene, no details have emerged yet as far as I'm aware.

In Germany only white fascists commit such crimes. All the Arab ones have been lone wolves

[warch]

CarreraLightweightRacing said:

Just read on MSN news 30.
With the previous incident in Hanau, the suspect was immediately named. For some reason, although arrested at the scene, no details have emerged yet as far as I'm aware.

The driver is described as a 29 year old German on the BBC, and as a local man on Sky news.

[bitchstewie]

CarreraLightweightRacing said:

Just read on MSN news 30.
With the previous incident in Hanau, the suspect was immediately named. For some reason, although arrested at the scene, no details have emerged yet as far as I'm aware.

Not sure how much of it is law v culture but Germany have some serious privacy stuff going on.

I suspect with Hanau it was as simple as he'd pretty much filmed a video saying he was going to go and do what he did and put it online.

[CarreraLightweightRacing]

bhstewie said:

CarreraLightweightRacing said:

Just read on MSN news 30.
With the previous incident in Hanau, the suspect was immediately named. For some reason, although arrested at the scene, no details have emerged yet as far as I'm aware.

Not sure how much of it is law v culture but Germany have some serious privacy stuff going on.

I suspect with Hanau it was as simple as he'd pretty much filmed a video saying he was going to go and do what he did and put it online.

Could be, as I live in Germany I'm fully aware of the differences in data protection law compared with the UK. You can't even put a video camera up in the work place due to protection of civil rights.

[bitchstewie]

CarreraLightweightRacing said:

Could be, as I live in Germany I'm fully aware of the differences in data protection law compared with the UK. You can't even put a video camera up in the work place due to protection of civil rights.

Kind of my point though.

You live there so you're probably better placed than anyone to be aware that the German Police and media don't tend to release many details about these things.

It's not about whether the person involved is called Hans or Muhammad.

[DeepEnd]

bhstewie said:

Kind of my point though.

You live there so you're probably better placed than anyone to be aware that the German Police and media don't tend to release many details about these things.

It's not about whether the person involved is called Hans or Muhammad.

You might be forgiven for getting the impression some people think it is.

Funny how some tip toe around, isn’t it?

[F1GTRUeno]

JagLover said:

janesmith1950 said:

A political party having a mildly aligned concept of national identity to your own (far more extreme) version, which then achieves some electoral success, might lead some to feel it normalises their own views and emboldens them.

So the solution is to have no political party that represents a large chunk of the electorate?, because that seems a great way to have political stability.

This all started when Merkel opened the floodgates. If we are looking back through the chain of blame you go back to there.

Except that we'd have to look at why the floodgates were opened and that train of thought and chain of blame lands squarely with us and our exploits in screwing up the middle east a long, long time ago.

[Digga]

F1GTRUeno said:

JagLover said:

janesmith1950 said:

A political party having a mildly aligned concept of national identity to your own (far more extreme) version, which then achieves some electoral success, might lead some to feel it normalises their own views and emboldens them.

So the solution is to have no political party that represents a large chunk of the electorate?, because that seems a great way to have political stability.

This all started when Merkel opened the floodgates. If we are looking back through the chain of blame you go back to there.

Except that we'd have to look at why the floodgates were opened and that train of thought and chain of blame lands squarely with us and our exploits in screwing up the middle east a long, long time ago.

Guilt over previous mistakes, overseas, is clouding our judgment in the West.

We can't 'fix' old policy mistakes by merely allowing those affected to come and live in the West. It's utter nonsense to believe that's the quid pro quo that will reset the balance. So much more is required to make things 'right', on both sides.