Shooting in Germany...
Discussion
janesmith1950 said:
Germany has a right wing problem bubbling under the surface. I can see it growing if the German economy continues to struggle.
It's was bubbling under the surface 40+ years ago.....West German politics did their best to sweep it under the carpet for decades because of Germany's past......but denying its there doesn't make it go away, when the policies of the Govt are helping fuel the problem.
It started bubbling way above the surface after unification...........and
Unified German politics have done their best to sweep it under the carpet for decades because of Germany's past......but denying its there doesn't make it go away, when the policies of the Govt are helping fuel the problem.
The huge elephant in the room that is Germany's past don't help Germany deal with the problems of its present or its future.
Again, this isn't confined to Germany, its an issue elsewhere in the EU, but again, the problem of Germany's past, and the fact that they are the economic engine room for the EU focuses the spoptlight on them even more.
BOR said:
It isn't even under the surface anymore.
12 right wing terrrorists were lifted earlier this week before they could carry out a planned mosque attack.
This one could be in retaliation for that.
That was the first thing I thought when I saw the news reports.12 right wing terrrorists were lifted earlier this week before they could carry out a planned mosque attack.
This one could be in retaliation for that.
Not necessarily retaliation but a different "cell" or affiliated etc.
What a mess.
People don't like change, people don't like feeling left behind (but often wont change). This breeds resentment and hatred, this leads to violence.
So germany has become richere with the EU and cheap labour, some germans have as a result been made or feel worse off. How do you deal with that simple blame a group of people.
This is the same (sort of) logic that drives muslim extremists. Why is Gaza a s
t hole, is it because of Israel, America and the infidels or is it because the goverment of Gaza seeks the destruction of its neighbour and all its citizens (answer is combina of the 2 plus other issues but people are binary).
Stuff like this will always happen when one group feels let down
So germany has become richere with the EU and cheap labour, some germans have as a result been made or feel worse off. How do you deal with that simple blame a group of people.
This is the same (sort of) logic that drives muslim extremists. Why is Gaza a s
t hole, is it because of Israel, America and the infidels or is it because the goverment of Gaza seeks the destruction of its neighbour and all its citizens (answer is combina of the 2 plus other issues but people are binary).Stuff like this will always happen when one group feels let down
Gecko1978 said:
People don't like change, people don't like feeling left behind (but often wont change). This breeds resentment and hatred, this leads to violence.
So germany has become richere with the EU and cheap labour, some germans have as a result been made or feel worse off. How do you deal with that simple blame a group of people.
This is the same (sort of) logic that drives muslim extremists. Why is Gaza a st hole, is it because of Israel, America and the infidels or is it because the goverment of Gaza seeks the destruction of its neighbour and all its citizens (answer is combina of the 2 plus other issues but people are binary).
Stuff like this will always happen when one group feels let down
Interesting points, and quite logical. It's interesting how this level of debate isn't entertained when there is an Islamist extremist attack. So germany has become richere with the EU and cheap labour, some germans have as a result been made or feel worse off. How do you deal with that simple blame a group of people.
This is the same (sort of) logic that drives muslim extremists. Why is Gaza a s
t hole, is it because of Israel, America and the infidels or is it because the goverment of Gaza seeks the destruction of its neighbour and all its citizens (answer is combina of the 2 plus other issues but people are binary).Stuff like this will always happen when one group feels let down
glazbagun said:
Fittster said:
Have any posters on NPE issued an apology on behalf of the white, middle aged, right wing community to the victims?
I too was wondering why there are no 40 something white right-wingers in the streets chanting "not in my name!". s1962a said:
Interesting points, and quite logical. It's interesting how this level of debate isn't entertained when there is an Islamist extremist attack.
Very different dynamics though.With a far right individual, they are socially and societally conservative (small "c") wanting things not to change (or even to revert to an earlier time).
With an Islamist - whether indigenous or immigrant - they are radical, insomuch as they want their host society to change, to adapt to 'their' view of Islam.
Both dangerous nutters. In their own sweet way.
Digga said:
s1962a said:
Interesting points, and quite logical. It's interesting how this level of debate isn't entertained when there is an Islamist extremist attack.
Very different dynamics though.With a far right individual, they are socially and societally conservative (small "c"0 wanting things not to change.
With an Islamist - whether indigenous or immigrant - they are radical, insomuch as they want their host society to change, to adapt to 'their' view of Islam.
Both dangerous nutters. In their own sweet way.
I agree with your logic, but you have to admit that the PH response on a far right attack that kills people, vs an Islamist attack that kills people is different, and the former pretty quiet.
s1962a said:
Digga said:
s1962a said:
Interesting points, and quite logical. It's interesting how this level of debate isn't entertained when there is an Islamist extremist attack.
Very different dynamics though.With a far right individual, they are socially and societally conservative (small "c"0 wanting things not to change.
With an Islamist - whether indigenous or immigrant - they are radical, insomuch as they want their host society to change, to adapt to 'their' view of Islam.
Both dangerous nutters. In their own sweet way.
I agree with your logic, but you have to admit that the PH response on a far right attack that kills people, vs an Islamist attack that kills people is different, and the former pretty quiet.
One may well argue that in a civilised society, you need to be mentally ill to become a terrorist in the first place.
Digga said:
Victims are random (normally completely innocent) individuals. In all cases, it is repugnant. Terrorism is terrorism, plain and simple.
One may well argue that in a civilised society, you need to be mentally ill to become a terrorist in the first place.
I would argue (as I tried) you just have to feel aggrieved in some way no more no less. You a poorer now than you were, your brand of religion is demonised, your country is changing, your friends have all moved out of your area new comers are different.One may well argue that in a civilised society, you need to be mentally ill to become a terrorist in the first place.
Then take the above apply it to a large enough group and sooner or later you find 1 or 2 who think violence is the answer. They are binary, they focus on one thing and say that is the reason my life is s
t. They shout loudly go on line speak to others who feel the same. over time the thought grows an then finally someone who has nothing to do with the real cause of them being left out is targeted an killed.That is how these things happen all the other reasons, race religion etc are just a excuse to justify hurting others cos your life is s
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