No More Coal !
Discussion
StevieBee said:
The borough I’m working in has 50 deaths annually directly attributable to PM2.5 from fires and stoves and many other health impacts that cost the local NHS £30m a year.
Imagine being the kind of person to hear this and start thinking about how they could deliberately make it worse to p
s off the people trying to make it better.rxtx said:
Evanivitch said:
Nothing like a good warm fire whilst you scrub the coal dust off your skin and cough the coal dust off your lungs.
I see you've never had a coal fire 
Of course, it's all opencast these days, but dust is still a huge issue, often including a dusting on the local communities.
I use this map tool at work and it is actually very interesting. It shows which areas use what particular forms of heating.
It shows how many areas have no gas supply and still rely on ‘solid fuel’ or Oil for their heating and central heating.
https://www.nongasmap.org.uk/
It shows how many areas have no gas supply and still rely on ‘solid fuel’ or Oil for their heating and central heating.
https://www.nongasmap.org.uk/
Lord Marylebone said:
I use this map tool at work and it is actually very interesting. It shows which areas use what particular forms of heating.
It shows how many areas have no gas supply and still rely on ‘solid fuel’ or Oil for their heating and central heating.
https://www.nongasmap.org.uk/
No gas for most of central London? It shows how many areas have no gas supply and still rely on ‘solid fuel’ or Oil for their heating and central heating.
https://www.nongasmap.org.uk/
borcy said:
fblm said:
Who TF burns coal to keep warm? Can't you bumpkins just spoon your livestock?
A fair few people still, the house we lived in in 2012, we regularly used to see the coal wagon doing deliveries. Well, coal or turf or wood into a stove which also heats the radiators.
We also have central heating which uses heating oil
We are not connected to the sewers and have to deal with all our waste water on site
Our fresh water comes from a natural well .. and is free
We do have electricity but also have a petrol powered generator for the outages we have during the winter
Our house was built in 2007
Oakey said:
Good try, mate, but a quick scan of the posts below yours suggests it was ultimately futile. Nobody favours reading the full story over getting triggered by the headline, it seems.
Lord Marylebone said:
I use this map tool at work and it is actually very interesting. It shows which areas use what particular forms of heating.
It shows how many areas have no gas supply and still rely on ‘solid fuel’ or Oil for their heating and central heating.
https://www.nongasmap.org.uk/
Just checked the map for my area. It's in the lowest range but all my neighbours, I know, have gas central heating.It shows how many areas have no gas supply and still rely on ‘solid fuel’ or Oil for their heating and central heating.
https://www.nongasmap.org.uk/
Ridiculous. Another kick in the teeth to rural communities (don’t get me started on fuel duty or the cost and relative lack of decent public transport). If the issue is particulates in urban areas then ban solid fuel use in these boroughs, a lot of householders in rural areas are still substantially reliant upon it. It is also patronising to the extreme. We burn wood and anyone doing so with half a brain has a decent sized, dry, airy storage and will be getting logs in to dry through and use in 9-12 months. Nobody with sense tries to burn damp wood.
I could accept (to a degree) the idiocy of policy such as this if there was some form of obvious long term strategy as to how people are going to heat their homes. If the intention is to phase out gas, oil and solid fuel, what is the solution? I can see ground / air source heat pumps becoming standard on new build, but what about the existing housing stock? There really needs to be some thought as to the massive sea change they are suggesting here. Or will it be ‘they can keep using fossil fuels, but we’ll discourage it via taxation’. A government think tank can then spend oodles of tax payers money determining whether deaths due to hypothermia in the first bad winter are more cost effective to those from particulates.
I could accept (to a degree) the idiocy of policy such as this if there was some form of obvious long term strategy as to how people are going to heat their homes. If the intention is to phase out gas, oil and solid fuel, what is the solution? I can see ground / air source heat pumps becoming standard on new build, but what about the existing housing stock? There really needs to be some thought as to the massive sea change they are suggesting here. Or will it be ‘they can keep using fossil fuels, but we’ll discourage it via taxation’. A government think tank can then spend oodles of tax payers money determining whether deaths due to hypothermia in the first bad winter are more cost effective to those from particulates.
darren f said:
Ridiculous. Another kick in the teeth to rural communities (don’t get me started on fuel duty or the cost and relative lack of decent public transport). If the issue is particulates in urban areas then ban solid fuel use in these boroughs, a lot of householders in rural areas are still substantially reliant upon it. It is also patronising to the extreme. We burn wood and anyone doing so with half a brain has a decent sized, dry, airy storage and will be getting logs in to dry through and use in 9-12 months. Nobody with sense tries to burn damp wood.
I could accept (to a degree) the idiocy of policy such as this if there was some form of obvious long term strategy as to how people are going to heat their homes. If the intention is to phase out gas, oil and solid fuel, what is the solution? I can see ground / air source heat pumps becoming standard on new build, but what about the existing housing stock? There really needs to be some thought as to the massive sea change they are suggesting here. Or will it be ‘they can keep using fossil fuels, but we’ll discourage it via taxation’. A government think tank can then spend oodles of tax payers money determining whether deaths due to hypothermia in the first bad winter are more cost effective to those from particulates.
I could accept (to a degree) the idiocy of policy such as this if there was some form of obvious long term strategy as to how people are going to heat their homes. If the intention is to phase out gas, oil and solid fuel, what is the solution? I can see ground / air source heat pumps becoming standard on new build, but what about the existing housing stock? There really needs to be some thought as to the massive sea change they are suggesting here. Or will it be ‘they can keep using fossil fuels, but we’ll discourage it via taxation’. A government think tank can then spend oodles of tax payers money determining whether deaths due to hypothermia in the first bad winter are more cost effective to those from particulates.
And shyte broadband, and Shyte mobile signal.
Pass out the 4g contracts, and set stupid targets to cover a % of the population not a % of the georgraphy of uk, and end up with everyone in towns happy on their mobile phones when sat next to their landline, and cursing when you have no signal half a mile out of town. f
king mobile phones are no longer mobile. 15 years ago we have 4 bars of mobile coverage all around here, now we are lucky to squeeze 1 bar out...so we all have to use Wi-fi calling or landlines, Wi-fi is great til you step outside the Wi-fi zone and lose the call. Oh and 5mbps if we are lucky on broadband, so Wi-fi a but crudely anyway.
The technology policies over the last 20 years have genuinely f
ked those in rural areas. Oh and electric cars next, again penalising those out of main towns, unless Tesla or the govt will be putting a supercharger in Little Nobbington. R Mutt said:
Italy are miles ahead of us in terms of these things. Building literal green flats, covered in plants and they'll collect your recycling in the remotest parts of the Alps, where heating there is fuelled by wood. Not great for my asthma while staying in such properties while it's fine in London where diesel is supposedly killing children.
Are the Italians just more pragmatic?
The same alps where there are no cities?Are the Italians just more pragmatic?
Edited by R Mutt on Friday 21st February 16:01
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