No More Coal !
Discussion
darren f said:
Ridiculous. Another kick in the teeth to rural communities (don’t get me started on fuel duty or the cost and relative lack of decent public transport). If the issue is particulates in urban areas then ban solid fuel use in these boroughs, a lot of householders in rural areas are still substantially reliant upon it. It is also patronising to the extreme. We burn wood and anyone doing so with half a brain has a decent sized, dry, airy storage and will be getting logs in to dry through and use in 9-12 months. Nobody with sense tries to burn damp wood.
Why a kick in the teeth then? You can still buy green wood in quantities to season yourself, you can still burn green wood at home if you choose.Sounds like the wood burning will have zero effect on people that know how to use a wood burner...
Evanivitch said:
darren f said:
Ridiculous. Another kick in the teeth to rural communities (don’t get me started on fuel duty or the cost and relative lack of decent public transport). If the issue is particulates in urban areas then ban solid fuel use in these boroughs, a lot of householders in rural areas are still substantially reliant upon it. It is also patronising to the extreme. We burn wood and anyone doing so with half a brain has a decent sized, dry, airy storage and will be getting logs in to dry through and use in 9-12 months. Nobody with sense tries to burn damp wood.
Why a kick in the teeth then? You can still buy green wood in quantities to season yourself, you can still burn green wood at home if you choose.Sounds like the wood burning will have zero effect on people that know how to use a wood burner...
k off as far as I'm concerned - if you must burn coal, make it smokeless so the worst of the crap is gone.The envisaged legislation will impact almost no-one who has a brain, but this is PH so let's all be outraged!! And get angry!!
Evanivitch said:
I was actually talking about the coal miners that got it to your fireplace in the first place. Of which I've known many in my family, and the odd one or two more recently.
Of course, it's all opencast these days, but dust is still a huge issue, often including a dusting on the local communities.
Ahh, my apologies.Of course, it's all opencast these days, but dust is still a huge issue, often including a dusting on the local communities.
rxtx said:
Evanivitch said:
I was actually talking about the coal miners that got it to your fireplace in the first place. Of which I've known many in my family, and the odd one or two more recently.
Of course, it's all opencast these days, but dust is still a huge issue, often including a dusting on the local communities.
Ahh, my apologies.Of course, it's all opencast these days, but dust is still a huge issue, often including a dusting on the local communities.
longblackcoat said:
rxtx said:
Evanivitch said:
I was actually talking about the coal miners that got it to your fireplace in the first place. Of which I've known many in my family, and the odd one or two more recently.
Of course, it's all opencast these days, but dust is still a huge issue, often including a dusting on the local communities.
Ahh, my apologies.Of course, it's all opencast these days, but dust is still a huge issue, often including a dusting on the local communities.
longblackcoat said:
Quite. Burning green wood is idiotic, and smoky coal can fk off as far as I'm concerned - if you must burn coal, make it smokeless so the worst of the crap is gone.
The envisaged legislation will impact almost no-one who has a brain, but this is PH so let's all be outraged!! And get angry!!
I cannot see why anyone would get angry about it.k off as far as I'm concerned - if you must burn coal, make it smokeless so the worst of the crap is gone.The envisaged legislation will impact almost no-one who has a brain, but this is PH so let's all be outraged!! And get angry!!
I am however somewhat confused as to why blanket banning a product such as coal nationwide will have any effect on the quality of the air in built up cities. There is already the smokeless zones and you cannot burn normal coal. And if you've spent £4K on a wood burner to impress your metropolitan friends in the city, you wouldn't dream of burning wet wood.
I'm all for meaningful change, but this will no doubt be costing money to implement and will impact poorer communities in the countryside, fueling the ever widening country/city divide.
Maybe it's an effort to placate the greens? If so they must be a bit dim to think this will markedly improve city air pollution.
Earthdweller said:
borcy said:
fblm said:
Who TF burns coal to keep warm? Can't you bumpkins just spoon your livestock?
A fair few people still, the house we lived in in 2012, we regularly used to see the coal wagon doing deliveries. Well, coal or turf or wood into a stove which also heats the radiators.
We also have central heating which uses heating oil
We are not connected to the sewers and have to deal with all our waste water on site
Our fresh water comes from a natural well .. and is free
We do have electricity but also have a petrol powered generator for the outages we have during the winter
Our house was built in 2007
My mum and dad have coal fire out in the sticks, lovely it is too on a cold night.cardigankid said:
Eons are not a long period in the history of the planet.
Apparently an eon is a ‘mere’ one billion years in scientific terms. The planet Earth is 4.5 billion years in age, on this basis I would suggest that an eon is a hugely significant time span when considered in the context of history of the planet. Pendentives matter crankedup said:
cardigankid said:
Eons are not a long period in the history of the planet.
Apparently an eon is a ‘mere’ one billion years in scientific terms. The planet Earth is 4.5 billion years in age, on this basis I would suggest that an eon is a hugely significant time span when considered in the context of history of the planet. Pendentives matter Open fires, coal, wood, whatever are nice to have, but in this day and age a very selfish way to pollute your local environment.
This was brought home to me on a recent trip to New Zealand during the winter. A place that thinks of themselves as very environmentally friendly and sustainable, blah blah. They don’t have mains gas in most towns, so if not from large tanks, or electric heat pumps they heat their homes with wood burners or coal fires.
It was really quite staggering how polluted urban areas were at night when everyone has their wood/coal burners blasting away belching huge amounts of smoke and soot into the air. On still nights the smell was very strong and localised smog very noticeable. It was how I imagine what the UK was like in the 50’s.
Wood/coal burners are the scourge of modern urban environments as they’re completely unnecessary, very polluting, and somehow have been latched onto by the virtue signaling green brigade. They’re a disaster and should be restricted one way or another.
This was brought home to me on a recent trip to New Zealand during the winter. A place that thinks of themselves as very environmentally friendly and sustainable, blah blah. They don’t have mains gas in most towns, so if not from large tanks, or electric heat pumps they heat their homes with wood burners or coal fires.
It was really quite staggering how polluted urban areas were at night when everyone has their wood/coal burners blasting away belching huge amounts of smoke and soot into the air. On still nights the smell was very strong and localised smog very noticeable. It was how I imagine what the UK was like in the 50’s.
Wood/coal burners are the scourge of modern urban environments as they’re completely unnecessary, very polluting, and somehow have been latched onto by the virtue signaling green brigade. They’re a disaster and should be restricted one way or another.
pgh said:
dvs_dave said:
Wood/coal burners are the scourge of modern urban environments as they’re completely unnecessary, very polluting, and somehow have been latched onto by the virtue signaling green brigade. They’re a disaster and should be restricted one way or another.
What do you suggest instead?I’ve got gas central heating but I also have air con. The air con is better than any heating i have tried before. Run off a renewable electric supply it’s pretty clean. Although I dare say there are some pretty nasty chemicals involved in air con.
Lord Marylebone said:
I use this map tool at work and it is actually very interesting. It shows which areas use what particular forms of heating.
It shows how many areas have no gas supply and still rely on ‘solid fuel’ or Oil for their heating and central heating.
https://www.nongasmap.org.uk/
We live about 8 miles from one of the biggest gas distribution sites in the country and don't have mains gas in our village It shows how many areas have no gas supply and still rely on ‘solid fuel’ or Oil for their heating and central heating.
https://www.nongasmap.org.uk/
GoodCompany said:
Lotobear said:
more government virtue signalling.
a lignite power station in Germany probably belts out more harmful emissions in one day, 365 days of the year, than all of the coal fires and stoves in Britain do in one heating season.
We don't have any say in environmental policies for Germany though. a lignite power station in Germany probably belts out more harmful emissions in one day, 365 days of the year, than all of the coal fires and stoves in Britain do in one heating season.
This is about urban air quality not CO2.
Uggers said:
longblackcoat said:
Quite. Burning green wood is idiotic, and smoky coal can fk off as far as I'm concerned - if you must burn coal, make it smokeless so the worst of the crap is gone.
The envisaged legislation will impact almost no-one who has a brain, but this is PH so let's all be outraged!! And get angry!!
I cannot see why anyone would get angry about it.k off as far as I'm concerned - if you must burn coal, make it smokeless so the worst of the crap is gone.The envisaged legislation will impact almost no-one who has a brain, but this is PH so let's all be outraged!! And get angry!!
I am however somewhat confused as to why blanket banning a product such as coal nationwide will have any effect on the quality of the air in built up cities. There is already the smokeless zones and you cannot burn normal coal. And if you've spent £4K on a wood burner to impress your metropolitan friends in the city, you wouldn't dream of burning wet wood.
I'm all for meaningful change, but this will no doubt be costing money to implement and will impact poorer communities in the countryside, fueling the ever widening country/city divide.
Maybe it's an effort to placate the greens? If so they must be a bit dim to think this will markedly improve city air pollution.
Same principle that gives us speed-cushions on the roads.
Pointless pandering to eco warriors bit like Government announcements on banning use of plastic straws. Much thought and chin scratching on the use of tea bags or rather the plasticated mesh that holds the thing together in boiling water. Such is the ‘concern’ it has brought about the ‘coffee bag’, like its easier to make coffee from a ‘coffee bag’. Two fingers to the environment then?
pgh said:
dvs_dave said:
Wood/coal burners are the scourge of modern urban environments as they’re completely unnecessary, very polluting, and somehow have been latched onto by the virtue signaling green brigade. They’re a disaster and should be restricted one way or another.
What do you suggest instead?As it is the turf we burn is cut from the land we own, dried and slow burned in the way it had been for hundreds of years
Likewise the timber comes from trees felled by the winter or managed
Apparently a plastic bag was found at the bottom of the marianas trench, queue hand wringing and shrieking from the usual quarters.
The thing is, its highly unlikely that anyone from the uk chucked it in the sea in the first place, as with the turtle with a straw shoved in his nozz.
Its not like collecting a few placcy bags on the beach in blackpool is going to heavily impact on the amount of garbage being slung in the sea willy nilly.
The problem isnt plastics, its people being irresponsible nobs. As always.
And did anyone else see RT this morning?
The eu displaying its envirocredentials once again falls flat on its face by exporting 350,000 tons of electrical waste per annum to Ghana of all places for ahem "incineration".
Of course its incinerated to the eu's top specifications under tightly controlled regulations, in huge piles dumped on open land where scores of unfortunate Ghanians scrabble around breathing in the toxic fumes released so that that lot in brussels and their XR/crusties supporters can smugly claim theyre saving some planet or the other.
Disgraceful and absolutely unnecessary, process it properly or not at all I reckon.
The thing is, its highly unlikely that anyone from the uk chucked it in the sea in the first place, as with the turtle with a straw shoved in his nozz.
Its not like collecting a few placcy bags on the beach in blackpool is going to heavily impact on the amount of garbage being slung in the sea willy nilly.
The problem isnt plastics, its people being irresponsible nobs. As always.
And did anyone else see RT this morning?
The eu displaying its envirocredentials once again falls flat on its face by exporting 350,000 tons of electrical waste per annum to Ghana of all places for ahem "incineration".
Of course its incinerated to the eu's top specifications under tightly controlled regulations, in huge piles dumped on open land where scores of unfortunate Ghanians scrabble around breathing in the toxic fumes released so that that lot in brussels and their XR/crusties supporters can smugly claim theyre saving some planet or the other.
Disgraceful and absolutely unnecessary, process it properly or not at all I reckon.
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