No More Coal !
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The aims don't actually seem so unreasonable, but I suspect that as Eric says, the detail will prove rather more complex than they think. https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/air-qu....
Section 13 contains the plans.
Section 13 contains the plans.
Dog Star said:
super7 said:
People have been burning wood, on every continent, in every country, since humans discovered fire..... WTAF do they think they're going to achieve.
Banning the the burning of coal and wood is going to add 1/2hr to the average lifespan of a human????
The amount of pollution coming of a domestic fire must be completely insignificant to a bonfire, a barbecue, a forest fire, or half of australia going up in flames.
Get real......
It's such a load of old bBanning the the burning of coal and wood is going to add 1/2hr to the average lifespan of a human????
The amount of pollution coming of a domestic fire must be completely insignificant to a bonfire, a barbecue, a forest fire, or half of australia going up in flames.
Get real......
ks, isn't it. The other cracker today is that Heathrow Airport is going to be carbon neutral by 2030 or some such. Wow! Impressive, eh? But no - it doesn't actually include planes, which is what people actually think about when they thing of airports and pollution. Neither does it include retailers in there, or runway construction. So it's actually a load of lip-service, headline making utter tosh, like the rest of all this carbon rubbish that keeps coming out. Do they think the public are all thick as mince?
Look at polls on this.
Look at how private companies are making carbon-neutral statements. They wouldn't do that unless they felt they had the weight of public opinion on their side.
It's the likes of you and I who are in the minority I'm afraid.
oyster said:
Look at how private companies are making carbon-neutral statements. They wouldn't do that unless they felt they had the weight of public opinion on their side.
Only because 95% of the public don't actually understand what it means or the true implications on them later on.........Having lived in a house with 2 open fires I always used house coal to get the fire going. Once the coal was glowing nicely on went the logs for the rest of the night.
Tried modern charcoal equivalent and ended up using 2-3 times as much. Utter rubbish heat output was also lower.
I can't see how this will work in the rural communities.
Tried modern charcoal equivalent and ended up using 2-3 times as much. Utter rubbish heat output was also lower.
I can't see how this will work in the rural communities.
oyster said:
Dog Star said:
super7 said:
People have been burning wood, on every continent, in every country, since humans discovered fire..... WTAF do they think they're going to achieve.
Banning the the burning of coal and wood is going to add 1/2hr to the average lifespan of a human????
The amount of pollution coming of a domestic fire must be completely insignificant to a bonfire, a barbecue, a forest fire, or half of australia going up in flames.
Get real......
It's such a load of old bBanning the the burning of coal and wood is going to add 1/2hr to the average lifespan of a human????
The amount of pollution coming of a domestic fire must be completely insignificant to a bonfire, a barbecue, a forest fire, or half of australia going up in flames.
Get real......
ks, isn't it. The other cracker today is that Heathrow Airport is going to be carbon neutral by 2030 or some such. Wow! Impressive, eh? But no - it doesn't actually include planes, which is what people actually think about when they thing of airports and pollution. Neither does it include retailers in there, or runway construction. So it's actually a load of lip-service, headline making utter tosh, like the rest of all this carbon rubbish that keeps coming out. Do they think the public are all thick as mince?
Look at polls on this.
Look at how private companies are making carbon-neutral statements. They wouldn't do that unless they felt they had the weight of public opinion on their side.
It's the likes of you and I who are in the minority I'm afraid.
Sheepshanks said:
I read that particulate pollution in parts of London is worse from wood burners than from diesel vehicles. The three houses opposite ours have wood burners and on still evenings it stings your eyes outside.
This basicallyMakes no sense to demonise cars while giving a free pass to the middle classes with their fashionable wood burning stoves. This looks like real environmentalism and those who like a wood burner can buy low polluting fuel (like kiln dried wood).
CrutyRammers said:
With regards to kiln dried woods etc, that just adds more pollution as you have to spend the energy to dry the wood.
But presumably not doing so in the centre of a busy town or city?It has long been a nonsense how all the various air quality measures put in place have exempted the fashionable wood burner which accounts for 38% of emissions of damaging particulates in the UK.
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2018/may/26/wood...
CrutyRammers said:
The consultation paper suggests that things like heritage railways won't need an exemption as the intention is only to ban coal for domestic use, and replace it with manufactured alternatives. Not sure where that leaves my hobby blacksmithing. Can I buy it as long as I say it's not for heating? Or can I not buy it unless I have some proof that I'm using it professionally? I expect there will be lots of unintended consequences here. But only for the edge cases, so they won't care. Or will everyone switch to coke?
With regards to kiln dried woods etc, that just adds more pollution as you have to spend the energy to dry the wood. We source most of ours wet and choo and season it ourselves, so is that now going to be banned or do we have to prove that we season it?
Getting smacked off your tits is hardly a rationale response...though judging by some on here it would probably be preferable and more measured With regards to kiln dried woods etc, that just adds more pollution as you have to spend the energy to dry the wood. We source most of ours wet and choo and season it ourselves, so is that now going to be banned or do we have to prove that we season it?
aeropilot said:
oyster said:
Look at how private companies are making carbon-neutral statements. They wouldn't do that unless they felt they had the weight of public opinion on their side.
Only because 95% of the public don't actually understand what it means or the true implications on them later on.........I'm glad you are in the 5% of super clever folks.
I seem to recall in the 1980's our local council declared all of their housing estates as 'smokeless zones'. There was much upset as smokeless coal was more expensive than the regular stuff and in those days everyone had a coal fire. It did the trick though as today everyone has gas central heating and air quality is much better. I remember the thick early morning fog that used to be a characteristic of autumn and winter mornings which I believe was a result of hundred of houses burning coal. It Seems very rare these days and overall people just got on with it and adapted to it.
Who knows what will happen when they ban gas boilers. Hopefully the mediterranean climate they've been predicting will have kicked in by then.
Who knows what will happen when they ban gas boilers. Hopefully the mediterranean climate they've been predicting will have kicked in by then.
jurbie said:
I seem to recall in the 1980's our local council declared all of their housing estates as 'smokeless zones'. There was much upset as smokeless coal was more expensive than the regular stuff and in those days everyone had a coal fire. It did the trick though as today everyone has gas central heating and air quality is much better. I remember the thick early morning fog that used to be a characteristic of autumn and winter mornings which I believe was a result of hundred of houses burning coal. It Seems very rare these days and overall people just got on with it and adapted to it.
Remember as well the notorious "pea soupers" in London. Eventually they brought in the clean air act and tackled the problem.The problem here is that wood burners have become a middle class lifestyle accessory, hence all the outrage.
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