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TwigtheWonderkid said:
the way we live our lives is going to have to change massively. We need to reduce business travel by 90%, and with the internet and global electronic communication, why not? Flying for leisure is also going to have to go, no more foreign holidays. Imports from abroad of non essential stuff will need to be reduced. I like an avocado as much as the next bloke but I don't have to have them.
If we are serious, the global economy is going to have to be curtailed in favour of local economies. No food in supermarkets from more than 20 miles away, real life changing stuff.
Exactly.If we are serious, the global economy is going to have to be curtailed in favour of local economies. No food in supermarkets from more than 20 miles away, real life changing stuff.
Over xmas I was round a good mates house, and his 14 year old daughter has developed into Greta for a few years now berating him for being a car nut, and generally she has been hooked into the eco-Nazi mentality by social media pressure and her arty mates. My mate and his missus have let it go above their heads a bit blaming teenage angst and she'll grow out of it etc. But she's getting further and further into it and becoming a real arse, so when she brought up the subject over dinner about which exotic holiday destination they were going to be going to this summer for holidays, he announced to her that they were taking her attitude and wants on board, and therefore they would be spending 2 weeks in a caravan in Dorset instead.
Her face was a picture..........
and 2 months on, she still thinks they are joking, but I know its all booked and she's in for a shock aeropilot said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
the way we live our lives is going to have to change massively. We need to reduce business travel by 90%, and with the internet and global electronic communication, why not? Flying for leisure is also going to have to go, no more foreign holidays. Imports from abroad of non essential stuff will need to be reduced. I like an avocado as much as the next bloke but I don't have to have them.
If we are serious, the global economy is going to have to be curtailed in favour of local economies. No food in supermarkets from more than 20 miles away, real life changing stuff.
Exactly.If we are serious, the global economy is going to have to be curtailed in favour of local economies. No food in supermarkets from more than 20 miles away, real life changing stuff.
Over xmas I was round a good mates house, and his 14 year old daughter has developed into Greta for a few years now berating him for being a car nut, and generally she has been hooked into the eco-Nazi mentality by social media pressure and her arty mates. My mate and his missus have let it go above their heads a bit blaming teenage angst and she'll grow out of it etc. But she's getting further and further into it and becoming a real arse, so when she brought up the subject over dinner about which exotic holiday destination they were going to be going to this summer for holidays, he announced to her that they were taking her attitude and wants on board, and therefore they would be spending 2 weeks in a caravan in Dorset instead.
Her face was a picture..........
and 2 months on, she still thinks they are joking, but I know its all booked and she's in for a shock 
However, if we're serious about this stuff, this is the future for all of us.
aeropilot said:
Exactly.
Over xmas I was round a good mates house, and his 14 year old daughter has developed into Greta for a few years now berating him for being a car nut, and generally she has been hooked into the eco-Nazi mentality by social media pressure and her arty mates. My mate and his missus have let it go above their heads a bit blaming teenage angst and she'll grow out of it etc. But she's getting further and further into it and becoming a real arse, so when she brought up the subject over dinner about which exotic holiday destination they were going to be going to this summer for holidays, he announced to her that they were taking her attitude and wants on board, and therefore they would be spending 2 weeks in a caravan in Dorset instead.
Her face was a picture.......... and 2 months on, she still thinks they are joking, but I know its all booked and she's in for a shock
Brilliant, Over xmas I was round a good mates house, and his 14 year old daughter has developed into Greta for a few years now berating him for being a car nut, and generally she has been hooked into the eco-Nazi mentality by social media pressure and her arty mates. My mate and his missus have let it go above their heads a bit blaming teenage angst and she'll grow out of it etc. But she's getting further and further into it and becoming a real arse, so when she brought up the subject over dinner about which exotic holiday destination they were going to be going to this summer for holidays, he announced to her that they were taking her attitude and wants on board, and therefore they would be spending 2 weeks in a caravan in Dorset instead.
Her face was a picture..........
and 2 months on, she still thinks they are joking, but I know its all booked and she's in for a shock As soon as our living standards start to go down hill all this eco save the planet stuff will be forgotten about very quickly.
At the moment it's just a load of virtue signalling with no real impact.
aeropilot said:
rxe said:
Build high speed rail between LHR and LGW. Really high speed, 200 mph. Bury it under the M25. You could do the journey in 15 minutes, and then you’d have a super hub. Effectively you’d have a 3 runway, 7 terminal airport. Probably cost less than the third runway as well.
Err, you do realise that very proposal was rejected by the Govt in December 2018.Google HS4Air for the sorry saga of Govt madness.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
If the world is really serious about tackling climate change (I'm not sure we are, but if we are), the way we live our lives is going to have to change massively. ...
The world isn't really serious. It's serious about "everybody else" doing these things, but even the most rebellious of extinction rebellion are hypocritical mofos.
I guess there's an argument that being extreme about things gets attention drawn to it. But IMO the rhetoric needs dialling back several notches now and pragmatism needs to kick in very quickly.
The extreme predictions and the impacts "doing something about it" will entail just turn people off to the message. They'll become desensitised to it and absolutely nothing will be done.
Having an act of parliament in place that can be weaponised is a very bad idea.
It's hard to understand the amount of unnecessary business travel.
I was working for a company that took to carrying out product courses and training abroad.
Why? (Inc an eco product course carried out in Spain) was just a hotel conference centre, complete with UK training team. Milton Keynes worked better. I stopped attending courses.
My nephew is a sparks, his company send him all over the country. In his own admission he spends more time driving than working.
My old school mate was going to Australia 4 weeks at a time several times a Yr to fiddle around with computers. Are all the Aussie IT people working in London?
My mates lad was an international pet food Salesman.
My brother spends his time as an international handshaker.
Ridiculous
I was working for a company that took to carrying out product courses and training abroad.
Why? (Inc an eco product course carried out in Spain) was just a hotel conference centre, complete with UK training team. Milton Keynes worked better. I stopped attending courses.
My nephew is a sparks, his company send him all over the country. In his own admission he spends more time driving than working.
My old school mate was going to Australia 4 weeks at a time several times a Yr to fiddle around with computers. Are all the Aussie IT people working in London?
My mates lad was an international pet food Salesman.
My brother spends his time as an international handshaker.
Ridiculous
PositronicRay said:
It's hard to understand the amount of unnecessary business travel.
I was working for a company that took to carrying out product courses and training abroad.
Why? (Inc an eco product course carried out in Spain) was just a hotel conference centre, complete with UK training team. Milton Keynes worked better. I stopped attending courses.
My nephew is a sparks, his company send him all over the country. In his own admission he spends more time driving than working.
My old school mate was going to Australia 4 weeks at a time several times a Yr to fiddle around with computers. Are all the Aussie IT people working in London?
My mates lad was an international pet food Salesman.
My brother spends his time as an international handshaker.
Ridiculous
A mate of mine flew from London to Australia for a 2 hour meeting, and flew straight back again!! He's a corporate legal bod and the client "just wanted him there in the meeting" in case a problem came up. He was willing to join the meeting by video link from his own office but they weren't happy with that. Just madness. I was working for a company that took to carrying out product courses and training abroad.
Why? (Inc an eco product course carried out in Spain) was just a hotel conference centre, complete with UK training team. Milton Keynes worked better. I stopped attending courses.
My nephew is a sparks, his company send him all over the country. In his own admission he spends more time driving than working.
My old school mate was going to Australia 4 weeks at a time several times a Yr to fiddle around with computers. Are all the Aussie IT people working in London?
My mates lad was an international pet food Salesman.
My brother spends his time as an international handshaker.
Ridiculous
Video conferencing tech has existed for 40 years, it's been cheap and reliable for 25-20; despite this we barely evolved troglodites still like looking at, sniffing and touching each other before signing on the dotted line. No amount of Teh Internetz, Greta or other things are likely to shift this trend.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
A mate of mine flew from London to Australia for a 2 hour meeting, and flew straight back again!! He's a corporate legal bod and the client "just wanted him there in the meeting" in case a problem came up. He was willing to join the meeting by video link from his own office but they weren't happy with that. Just madness.
I once had to go to San Francisco for a 3 hr (internal) meeting. Insane. Not least because I got there and it was cancelled."Didn't you get the email?"
"Well, yes, when I landed..."
hidetheelephants said:
Video conferencing tech has existed for 40 years, it's been cheap and reliable for 25-20; despite this we barely evolved troglodites still like looking at, sniffing and touching each other before signing on the dotted line. No amount of Teh Internetz, Greta or other things are likely to shift this trend.
Indeed.Vid confressing etc works OK once teams have been established and people have met and initial barriers have come down, but human nature means that body language and people reactions that can't be seen in vid conferencing by a look across a table can still be a make or break when big business decisions or legal ones are at stake.
Tech is great and has evolved far quicker than human evolution can adapt to change with it. It will happen, just not at the rate that 'some' want it to.
ninja-lewis said:
About 95% of the cargo from Heathrow is flown in the belly hold of passenger aircraft, not dedicated cargo aircraft. Indeed some passenger routes are kept afloat by the cargo carried.
The only figures I could find was for 2017 and your close at 6% which equals to around 3,000 aircraft every year, by contrast Amsterdam took 17,800 cargo aircraft hidetheelephants said:
Video conferencing tech has existed for 40 years, it's been cheap and reliable for 25-20; despite this we barely evolved troglodites still like looking at, sniffing and touching each other before signing on the dotted line. No amount of Teh Internetz, Greta or other things are likely to shift this trend.
Maybe the people attending climate change conferences should look into using the technology instead of flying in on private aircraft?Macski said:
ninja-lewis said:
About 95% of the cargo from Heathrow is flown in the belly hold of passenger aircraft, not dedicated cargo aircraft. Indeed some passenger routes are kept afloat by the cargo carried.
The only figures I could find was for 2017 and your close at 6% which equals to around 3,000 aircraft every year, by contrast Amsterdam took 17,800 cargo aircraft PositronicRay said:
My old school mate was going to Australia 4 weeks at a time several times a Yr to fiddle around with computers. Are all the Aussie IT people working in London?
I used to work in the Heathrow office for a now defunct Australian airline.Any IT work needed at our office and one of their guys jumped on a plane to London
aeropilot said:
Macski said:
ninja-lewis said:
About 95% of the cargo from Heathrow is flown in the belly hold of passenger aircraft, not dedicated cargo aircraft. Indeed some passenger routes are kept afloat by the cargo carried.
The only figures I could find was for 2017 and your close at 6% which equals to around 3,000 aircraft every year, by contrast Amsterdam took 17,800 cargo aircraft TwigtheWonderkid said:
aeropilot said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
the way we live our lives is going to have to change massively. We need to reduce business travel by 90%, and with the internet and global electronic communication, why not? Flying for leisure is also going to have to go, no more foreign holidays. Imports from abroad of non essential stuff will need to be reduced. I like an avocado as much as the next bloke but I don't have to have them.
If we are serious, the global economy is going to have to be curtailed in favour of local economies. No food in supermarkets from more than 20 miles away, real life changing stuff.
Exactly.If we are serious, the global economy is going to have to be curtailed in favour of local economies. No food in supermarkets from more than 20 miles away, real life changing stuff.
Over xmas I was round a good mates house, and his 14 year old daughter has developed into Greta for a few years now berating him for being a car nut, and generally she has been hooked into the eco-Nazi mentality by social media pressure and her arty mates. My mate and his missus have let it go above their heads a bit blaming teenage angst and she'll grow out of it etc. But she's getting further and further into it and becoming a real arse, so when she brought up the subject over dinner about which exotic holiday destination they were going to be going to this summer for holidays, he announced to her that they were taking her attitude and wants on board, and therefore they would be spending 2 weeks in a caravan in Dorset instead.
Her face was a picture..........
and 2 months on, she still thinks they are joking, but I know its all booked and she's in for a shock However, if we're serious about this stuff, this is the future for all of us.
aeropilot said:
Exactly.
Over xmas I was round a good mates house, and his 14 year old daughter has developed into Greta for a few years now berating him for being a car nut, and generally she has been hooked into the eco-Nazi mentality by social media pressure and her arty mates. My mate and his missus have let it go above their heads a bit blaming teenage angst and she'll grow out of it etc. But she's getting further and further into it and becoming a real arse, so when she brought up the subject over dinner about which exotic holiday destination they were going to be going to this summer for holidays, he announced to her that they were taking her attitude and wants on board, and therefore they would be spending 2 weeks in a caravan in Dorset instead.
Her face was a picture.......... and 2 months on, she still thinks they are joking, but I know its all booked and she's in for a shock
Love it, I hope they aren't using an evil car to get to Dorset. I'm sure buses and trains would be much more suitable.Over xmas I was round a good mates house, and his 14 year old daughter has developed into Greta for a few years now berating him for being a car nut, and generally she has been hooked into the eco-Nazi mentality by social media pressure and her arty mates. My mate and his missus have let it go above their heads a bit blaming teenage angst and she'll grow out of it etc. But she's getting further and further into it and becoming a real arse, so when she brought up the subject over dinner about which exotic holiday destination they were going to be going to this summer for holidays, he announced to her that they were taking her attitude and wants on board, and therefore they would be spending 2 weeks in a caravan in Dorset instead.
Her face was a picture..........
and 2 months on, she still thinks they are joking, but I know its all booked and she's in for a shock I have a 9 year old who is currently getting brainwashed at school who constantly berates me for driving a car, although it didn't seem to bother him jetting off to the sun at half-term a couple of weeks ago. It is starting to get tiresome.
aeropilot said:
Macski said:
ninja-lewis said:
About 95% of the cargo from Heathrow is flown in the belly hold of passenger aircraft, not dedicated cargo aircraft. Indeed some passenger routes are kept afloat by the cargo carried.
The only figures I could find was for 2017 and your close at 6% which equals to around 3,000 aircraft every year, by contrast Amsterdam took 17,800 cargo aircraft 
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