Heathrow 3rd Runway.
Discussion
surveyor said:
So 50 mile radius or 100 mile ferryI'm assuming this already has reserve fuel/range factored in?
skyrover said:
surveyor said:
So 50 mile radius or 100 mile ferryI'm assuming this already has reserve fuel/range factored in?
Ideal for their scenario.
Taita said:
How bad actually is modern air travel? Or is it just an easy thing to pick on?
I just find it baffling all the 'we must stop xyz' which is utterly opposed to how humans are wired to make better lives for themselves and their families.
Here's the thing: we are constantly told to "live your life to the full" or that "you're a long time dead" and so on. I'm 58 years old and I have a heart condition which may shorten my life. If some brainwashed Greta acolytes tell me I can't fly to foreign lands, or that I can't drive my Porsche, or that I won't be able to eat imported Madagascan prawns............well they can FRO.I just find it baffling all the 'we must stop xyz' which is utterly opposed to how humans are wired to make better lives for themselves and their families.
The measures proposed by groups such as XR are incompatible with having fun, consuming for pleasure and travelling. I simply don't believe that people will embrace XR / Greta policies (vegan diet, anyone?) because, well, YOLO!
hidetheelephants said:
Video conferencing tech has existed for 40 years, it's been cheap and reliable for 25-20; despite this we barely evolved troglodites still like looking at, sniffing and touching each other before signing on the dotted line. No amount of Teh Internetz, Greta or other things are likely to shift this trend.
I think video conferencing is great, but the implementation is often poor. A single, wide angle lense at the end of a boardroom showing an image on a big screen at the other end of a boardroom still means you're effectively 8m eye-camera-screen-eye distance from eachother. So the implementation needs to improve.Plus, there's still a lot of limitations over what content certain industries are legally allowed to discuss over video conference. We know the tech exists, but doesn't seem to be widely distributed.
World population is growing significantly and it's human nature to want to travel, consume and generally do stuff. So however much noise there is about environmental issues humans will make a mess of the planet in the end. One contradicts the other but with billions of people on the planet it's quite possible for them to happen at the same time. The same way that there are loads of vegans, loads of people cycling and doing park run or riding £2k exercise bikes at the same time people are getting fatter and have started dying earlier.
skyrover said:
surveyor said:
So 50 mile radius or 100 mile ferryI'm assuming this already has reserve fuel/range factored in?
As for larger aircraft, the head of R&D at airbus said they'd need energy density of batteries to increase by a factor of 30, even then an a320 could fly half the distance with half the payload.
There are niches for very short range operations, as that air-taxi shows; in the UK there is the well-known Islander operated by Loganair between Westray and Papa Westray, a sector time of 6 minutes is surely crying out for battery electric conversion. There are other islands in the west of Scotland which are provided with air links for which the long-term cost savings of electric drive could help to reduce the need for public subsidy; the sector times of the flights run between Oban, Tiree, Coll, Colonsay and Islay also lend themselves to this, the longest sector being 35 minutes.
hidetheelephants said:
There are niches for very short range operations, as that air-taxi shows; in the UK there is the well-known Islander operated by Loganair between Westray and Papa Westray, a sector time of 6 minutes is surely crying out for battery electric conversion. There are other islands in the west of Scotland which are provided with air links for which the long-term cost savings of electric drive could help to reduce the need for public subsidy; the sector times of the flights run between Oban, Tiree, Coll, Colonsay and Islay also lend themselves to this, the longest sector being 35 minutes.
I’m not sure you can look at these routes in terms of one way trips. The crew need to return to base. If an e-plane takes several hours to recharge, the airline has to pay the crew for the time of the two sectors plus the sitting around during the recharge. It might find that is economically unattractive. BMW A6 said:
Will there still be demand/ appetite for a 3rd runway once this coronavirus pandemic is over?
Forget it.3rd runway was as good as dead as soon as the Govt said it wouldn't appeal the court decision last month, and what little hope HAL might have had in pursuing it alone has been well and truly ended by this pandemic.
Rumours are that if this does drag on through the summer its possible that half of the world's airlines will have gone to the wall.....let alone whether Boeing and Airbus can survive.
aeropilot said:
Forget it.
3rd runway was as good as dead as soon as the Govt said it wouldn't appeal the court decision last month, and what little hope HAL might have had in pursuing it alone has been well and truly ended by this pandemic.
Rumours are that if this does drag on through the summer its possible that half of the world's airlines will have gone to the wall.....let alone whether Boeing and Airbus can survive.
Quite. Coronavirus has killed off any chance of a 3rd runway.3rd runway was as good as dead as soon as the Govt said it wouldn't appeal the court decision last month, and what little hope HAL might have had in pursuing it alone has been well and truly ended by this pandemic.
Rumours are that if this does drag on through the summer its possible that half of the world's airlines will have gone to the wall.....let alone whether Boeing and Airbus can survive.
Robertj21a said:
aeropilot said:
Forget it.
3rd runway was as good as dead as soon as the Govt said it wouldn't appeal the court decision last month, and what little hope HAL might have had in pursuing it alone has been well and truly ended by this pandemic.
Rumours are that if this does drag on through the summer its possible that half of the world's airlines will have gone to the wall.....let alone whether Boeing and Airbus can survive.
Quite. Coronavirus has killed off any chance of a 3rd runway.3rd runway was as good as dead as soon as the Govt said it wouldn't appeal the court decision last month, and what little hope HAL might have had in pursuing it alone has been well and truly ended by this pandemic.
Rumours are that if this does drag on through the summer its possible that half of the world's airlines will have gone to the wall.....let alone whether Boeing and Airbus can survive.
borcy said:
Robertj21a said:
aeropilot said:
Forget it.
3rd runway was as good as dead as soon as the Govt said it wouldn't appeal the court decision last month, and what little hope HAL might have had in pursuing it alone has been well and truly ended by this pandemic.
Rumours are that if this does drag on through the summer its possible that half of the world's airlines will have gone to the wall.....let alone whether Boeing and Airbus can survive.
Quite. Coronavirus has killed off any chance of a 3rd runway.3rd runway was as good as dead as soon as the Govt said it wouldn't appeal the court decision last month, and what little hope HAL might have had in pursuing it alone has been well and truly ended by this pandemic.
Rumours are that if this does drag on through the summer its possible that half of the world's airlines will have gone to the wall.....let alone whether Boeing and Airbus can survive.
Consequently, I think there's real chance that this could re-shape and downsize the airline industry forever.
S7Paul said:
Consequently, I think there's real chance that this could re-shape and downsize the airline industry forever.
I think that's very real possibility.It will all depend on who's left to pick up the pieces, and what measures Govts will put in place to rejuvinate it, against the undoubted pressure from the eco-nazi's to not do so.
It will be interesting to see which, if any, of the low cost no frills european airlines survive.
It's possible air travel will remain at some reduced state once CV disappears or a vaccine is perfected, but it will take legislation; it didn't take long for air travel to recover and continue growing after the previous shocks of 2001, the various previous lurgies, volcanic eruptions etc. Without laws making it more expensive/difficult people just like squeezing into explosive metal tubes and breathing each others' germs too much. In that event not expanding LHR is just going to mean that traffic goes to CDG, AMS or FRA instead and the UK economy suffers.
aeropilot said:
let alone whether Boeing and Airbus can survive.
They'll be fine. Both will be backed by governments if required. Boeing's mess with the MAX aircraft is looking worse than it ever did though. Airbus at least hasn't got a few hundred ready-built, but not yet delivered, planes on the tarmac! Condi said:
They'll be fine. Both will be backed by governments if required. Boeing's mess with the MAX aircraft is looking worse than it ever did though. Airbus at least hasn't got a few hundred ready-built, but not yet delivered, planes on the tarmac!
The EU will back Airbus in extremis, it was their project...S7Paul said:
borcy said:
Robertj21a said:
aeropilot said:
Forget it.
3rd runway was as good as dead as soon as the Govt said it wouldn't appeal the court decision last month, and what little hope HAL might have had in pursuing it alone has been well and truly ended by this pandemic.
Rumours are that if this does drag on through the summer its possible that half of the world's airlines will have gone to the wall.....let alone whether Boeing and Airbus can survive.
Quite. Coronavirus has killed off any chance of a 3rd runway.3rd runway was as good as dead as soon as the Govt said it wouldn't appeal the court decision last month, and what little hope HAL might have had in pursuing it alone has been well and truly ended by this pandemic.
Rumours are that if this does drag on through the summer its possible that half of the world's airlines will have gone to the wall.....let alone whether Boeing and Airbus can survive.
Consequently, I think there's real chance that this could re-shape and downsize the airline industry forever.
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