Heathrow 3rd Runway.

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anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 18th March 2020
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Recent news from the chancellor supporting U.K. aviation is significant. Most U.K. Airlines were also expanding just before the virus with many having pilot shortages. Similar is happening in many other countries.

Most are making massive efficiency savings now and looking for money to tie themselves over until after the virus and getting ready for rapid expansion again. Fuel is also at record low price.

Airlines in different regions are going to be affected differently depending on government support and a variety of factors.

I think covid won’t be the big long term change to the aviation industry some are predicting although it may reduce business travel in some sectors as companies install and try better technologies replacing some face to face meetings involving flights.

We do need to develop cleaner technologies for aircraft though.



p1stonhead

25,550 posts

168 months

Wednesday 18th March 2020
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Depending on how this goes they might be able to get rid of their second runway laugh

BMW A6

1,911 posts

65 months

Tuesday 28th April 2020
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BA have a strong presence at Heathrow.

Does today's announcement of 12000 job losses weaken the case for a 3rd runway?

vaud

50,571 posts

156 months

Tuesday 28th April 2020
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BMW A6 said:
BA have a strong presence at Heathrow.

Does today's announcement of 12000 job losses weaken the case for a 3rd runway?
No need for a 3rd runway in the near future.

Chrisgr31

13,484 posts

256 months

Tuesday 28th April 2020
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vaud said:
No need for a 3rd runway in the near future.
Just as well really because even if it had the full go ahead it would still be years before it goes ahead!

abzmike

8,393 posts

107 months

Wednesday 29th April 2020
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Probably pushed it back 5 maybe 10 years... if it gets built, by the time it does it’ll come in at 3 times the current price.

aeropilot

34,654 posts

228 months

Wednesday 29th April 2020
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abzmike said:
Probably pushed it back 5 maybe 10 years...
Much more likely to be never now.




vaud

50,571 posts

156 months

Sheepshanks

32,795 posts

120 months

Wednesday 29th April 2020
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abzmike said:
Probably pushed it back 5 maybe 10 years....
They better get cracking then - it was going to take 10yrs to build it.

aeropilot

34,654 posts

228 months

Wednesday 29th April 2020
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vaud said:
That's for the airlines......and maybe Boeing and Airbus, but it will take Heathrow much longer to recover, and it will take the financial world even longer, so there just won't be the enormous financial backing required available to contemplate the expansion programme even in 5 or 10 years time, especially as the enviromental issues will be even tougher to get around by then.

Sadly, I think 3rd runway at LHR is now totally dead.


Trevatanus

11,125 posts

151 months

Wednesday 29th April 2020
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aeropilot said:
especially as the enviromental issues will be even tougher to get around by then.
But will they. Airlines are retiring massive amounts of their fleets.
I think that this will signal the end for the 747, and quite possibly the A380.
Also, airlines will retain the most fuel efficient parts of the their fleets.
I can understand that the third runway will be delayed, if it happens at all, but I think it will be more about capacity than the environment.

aeropilot

34,654 posts

228 months

Wednesday 29th April 2020
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Trevatanus said:
aeropilot said:
especially as the enviromental issues will be even tougher to get around by then.
But will they. Airlines are retiring massive amounts of their fleets.
I think that this will signal the end for the 747, and quite possibly the A380.
Also, airlines will retain the most fuel efficient parts of the their fleets.
I can understand that the third runway will be delayed, if it happens at all, but I think it will be more about capacity than the environment.
747 still has life left as freighters. I can see some of the newer ex-PAX 747-400's being picked up for 747F conversion, maybe even some of the few 747-800 PAX in use, as large capacity airliners will be not needed in the next 5 years.
A380 is a dead duck to pretty much most of the current users. Even Emirates must be sweating a bit with the number of them they have, and still have on order.

I was more thinking about the extra impetus the enviromental groups will have in another 10 years time, and there will be no Govt support in UK either, as they dropped HAL in it back in Jan after the court case.

I've spent a third of my working life working at Heathrow, but I doubt I'll ever work back there again now.