Coronavirus and schools
Discussion
Antony Moxey said:
Does anyone else who works in a school get this pay rise, or is it just teachers? Do the support staff not get anything?
my daughters teaching assistant has done a great vid chat once a week. her form teacher has done one 20 min one the whole time they've been off. assistant should get a rise not her teacher who has been paid full wack to stay at home and look after her own kidsAntony Moxey said:
21TonyK said:
Antony Moxey said:
Does anyone else who works in a school get this pay rise, or is it just teachers? Do the support staff not get anything?
AFAIK only the teachers, I thought exactly the same about Doctors, don't think nurses or anyone else will get anything.I guess there has to be a limit.
In my wifes school they are actually making some redundancies in support staff roles so I suppose that will help with offering these pay rises. These redundancies are not for that reason though, they are incodental to this and more related to the COVID situation highlighting some roles are just not needed at the moment.
It really is a despicable set up.....have a 3% pay rise but take it out of your existing budget.
So in order to provide these rises something else in the school has to suffer.
Why this isn't common knowledge or reported on in some way is baffling.
It really is a despicable set up.....have a 3% pay rise but take it out of your existing budget.
So in order to provide these rises something else in the school has to suffer.
Why this isn't common knowledge or reported on in some way is baffling.
rover 623gsi said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8548461/N...
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No teachers have caught coronavirus from pupils anywhere in the world, claims SAGE adviser who suggests it was a mistake to shut schools
It would be interesting to see a full transcript of what he actually said.....
No teachers have caught coronavirus from pupils anywhere in the world, claims SAGE adviser who suggests it was a mistake to shut schools
"Never essential" doesn't necessarily translate to "a mistake" when taken in context.
The piece goes on to say that the thing they still do not know is what part children might play in transmitting the virus in the home. And I'd see that being pretty key, especially as children are likely to be mixing with grandparents etc who are more likely to be in the vulnerable category (one would assume) than most teachers.
We need to be careful with the hindsight goggles.
What I do hope is happening over the next 6wks is that serious amounts of work is being done to try and hone in on some of the still unknowns - can kids transmit it etc. If we can come up with more certain "no they don't" answers then processes from Sept could be very different. If not, then messaging will need care.
Once ours go back to school we'll be stopping visits with grandparents...school holidays will be fine as we'll be able to put a firebreak in, as we are now during the summer holidays. If the evidence started to stack up properly that they cannot spread it then our approach will be different.
Murph7355 said:
It would be interesting to see a full transcript of what he actually said.
"Never essential" doesn't necessarily translate to "a mistake" when taken in context.
The piece goes on to say that the thing they still do not know is what part children might play in transmitting the virus in the home. And I'd see that being pretty key, especially as children are likely to be mixing with grandparents etc who are more likely to be in the vulnerable category (one would assume) than most teachers.
We need to be careful with the hindsight goggles.
What I do hope is happening over the next 6wks is that serious amounts of work is being done to try and hone in on some of the still unknowns - can kids transmit it etc. If we can come up with more certain "no they don't" answers then processes from Sept could be very different. If not, then messaging will need care.
First two cases reported in my area were a child coming back from a ski-trip in Italy who then passed it onto their Mum. I know that first hand.
Once ours go back to school we'll be stopping visits with grandparents...school holidays will be fine as we'll be able to put a firebreak in, as we are now during the summer holidays. If the evidence started to stack up properly that they cannot spread it then our approach will be different.
First local case for me was child returning from a ski-trip who then infected their Mum."Never essential" doesn't necessarily translate to "a mistake" when taken in context.
The piece goes on to say that the thing they still do not know is what part children might play in transmitting the virus in the home. And I'd see that being pretty key, especially as children are likely to be mixing with grandparents etc who are more likely to be in the vulnerable category (one would assume) than most teachers.
We need to be careful with the hindsight goggles.
What I do hope is happening over the next 6wks is that serious amounts of work is being done to try and hone in on some of the still unknowns - can kids transmit it etc. If we can come up with more certain "no they don't" answers then processes from Sept could be very different. If not, then messaging will need care.
First two cases reported in my area were a child coming back from a ski-trip in Italy who then passed it onto their Mum. I know that first hand.
Once ours go back to school we'll be stopping visits with grandparents...school holidays will be fine as we'll be able to put a firebreak in, as we are now during the summer holidays. If the evidence started to stack up properly that they cannot spread it then our approach will be different.
Edited by 21TonyK on Thursday 23 July 13:09
Antony Moxey said:
RammyMP said:
Yes, give the teachers a pay rise but it come out of the school budget. Schools will be even more cash strapped!
Does anyone else who works in a school get this pay rise, or is it just teachers? Do the support staff not get anything?Some more unscrupulous schools and trusts link the pay rise to PRP and set teachers unreasonable targets. I could mention at least one major and one smaller trust that are guilty of this.
But, yeah ... I did the back-of-a-fag-packet calculation for a 3.1% pay rise and it works out at around 80K for our school. That's two full time experienced teachers or three NQTs.
21TonyK said:
First local case for me was child returning from a ski-trip who then infected their Mum.
And the same for me (local to where I live, not where I work). The child self-isolated for 14 days when he came back, went back to school for one day (a Friday), and developed symptoms the next day! The school were not best impressed.Murph7355 said:
What I do hope is happening over the next 6wks is that serious amounts of work is being done to try and hone in on some of the still unknowns - can kids transmit it etc. If we can come up with more certain "no they don't" answers then processes from Sept could be very different. If not, then messaging will need care.
Do you know that in other parts of Europe kids have been back for weeks/months without issue?MaxFromage said:
Murph7355 said:
What I do hope is happening over the next 6wks is that serious amounts of work is being done to try and hone in on some of the still unknowns - can kids transmit it etc. If we can come up with more certain "no they don't" answers then processes from Sept could be very different. If not, then messaging will need care.
Do you know that in other parts of Europe kids have been back for weeks/months without issue?Cases very much on the rise in Spain now, schools have not been back full time there.
There’s been very few schools in Europe, if any, with all kids back full time before summer break, which is far longer than we have here.
Oh and don’t forget Japan, that sent all kids back, then a few weeks in had to send close all the schools again due to an increase in cases.
The issue isn’t so much whether teachers can get infected or not, (in reality they will be at risk but it can be mitigated and will be with distancing between the teachers and kids)
. The issue will be kids passing it to kids who then pass it to parents etc at home. The govt have said they will consider alternatives for ‘vulnerable kids’ but there’s far more vulnerable parents out there and they are now the ones at risk. There Will be caseS of kids being forced to go into schools, ( schools they saw fit to close completely then open with massive distancing restrictions to a handful of kids for months,) who then have to distance themselves for their own parents at home! Which is insane since they spend 16 hours a day at home and all weekend too.
The whole ‘policy’ makes no sense. Anyone thinking the virus won’t infect anyone less than 18 is daft. It is a virus and it will look for any host it can. With asymptomatic spread, long incubation period, no distancing at all at schools, there’s no way that the current infection levels can be maintained. Based on what happened within what, 8 weeks, with lack of any meaningful action in Feb and early March, when cases in UK were in double digits, It could be utter carnage by November.
What did Einstein say about the definition of insanity.....
I’ve not spoken to any parents who are in their 40s or 50s that don’t have huge reservations about the kids returning to school. My kids have done one day, and one afternoon in 3.5 months, all this moth since lockdown was pretty much lifted. So why have they not been back full time if it is ‘safe’?
Simple, because it isn’t.
I just don’t get that whilst the rest of the country is getting on with things where possible using video calls, remote working, distancing, and managed it pretty much overnight, too, (most companies adapted very quickly) 4 months in and hardly any schools have set up any meaningful distance learning options or facilities. Why is that, it makes no sense. Every other business , Govt department, council etc, changed immediately and after a few days disruption, most stuff carried on and is fine. Why have schools sat on their arses for 4 months in this respect. It makes no sense, tbh, distance learning is one of the most effective uses of the Vid meeting technologies We have readily available nowadays.
There is so much wrong with your post but I'm only going to reply to my original point. You have just cherrypicked the bits that suit your view. There are plenty of countries that have been opened.
Have a read of this which is a fairly frank discussion based on evidence rather than scaremongering:
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/07/school-ope...
Have a read of this which is a fairly frank discussion based on evidence rather than scaremongering:
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/07/school-ope...
poo at Paul's said:
I just don’t get that whilst the rest of the country is getting on with things where possible using video calls, remote working, distancing, and managed it pretty much overnight, too, (most companies adapted very quickly) 4 months in and hardly any schools have set up any meaningful distance learning options or facilities. Why is that, it makes no sense. Every other business , Govt department, council etc, changed immediately and after a few days disruption, most stuff carried on and is fine. Why have schools sat on their arses for 4 months in this respect. It makes no sense, tbh, distance learning is one of the most effective uses of the Vid meeting technologies We have readily available nowadays.
There speaks someone who has no children. The point of schools is to confine the children somewhere away from parents so they can work (ok, slightly overstated but...). How are you expecting millions of parents to do their jobs with kids around? Maybe we can all just resign and live on fresh air.Seriously I’d like some of whatever you’re on tonight.
MaxFromage said:
Have a read of this which is a fairly frank discussion based on evidence rather than scaremongering:
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/07/school-ope...
Another article as well that highlights that talking about all children as if they are affected the same is not helpful.https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/07/school-ope...
Schools in this country will educate children between the ages of four and eighteen and there might well be significant risk from the older children but not the younger.
Sciencemag said:
Children younger than 11 or 12, on the other hand, “probably don’t transmit very well. They are close to each other in schools, but that is not enough” to fuel spread.
The Primary schools should have gone back after Easter and should go back in full in September regardless of what is happening with the virus. They are the lowest risk group in terms of both risk to themselves and spreading it. They are also the group that suffers the most damaging consequences, educationally and socially, from schools being shut. foreright said:
There speaks someone who has no children. The point of schools is to confine the children somewhere away from parents so they can work (ok, slightly overstated but...). How are you expecting millions of parents to do their jobs with kids around? Maybe we can all just resign and live on fresh air.
Seriously I’d like some of whatever you’re on tonight.
SCHOOLS AREN'T A BABYSITTING SERVICE, YOU KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :angry: Seriously I’d like some of whatever you’re on tonight.
I was talking to a lady yesterday (secondary english teacher) who said she has run out of things to paint/fix/DIY.
Most staff are enjoying their extended holibobs on full pay. I know I would be driving a van around Britain!
Support staff and supply have had a really s
t deal through this. I do a bit of supply if mining goes quiet. I don't think I'm going to be doing any work soon. They'll find a way to string it out.
Mining Subsidence Man said:
foreright said:
There speaks someone who has no children. The point of schools is to confine the children somewhere away from parents so they can work (ok, slightly overstated but...). How are you expecting millions of parents to do their jobs with kids around? Maybe we can all just resign and live on fresh air.
Seriously I’d like some of whatever you’re on tonight.
SCHOOLS AREN'T A BABYSITTING SERVICE, YOU KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :angry: Seriously I’d like some of whatever you’re on tonight.
I was talking to a lady yesterday (secondary english teacher) who said she has run out of things to paint/fix/DIY.
Most staff are enjoying their extended holibobs on full pay. I know I would be driving a van around Britain!
Support staff and supply have had a really s
t deal through this. I do a bit of supply if mining goes quiet. I don't think I'm going to be doing any work soon. They'll find a way to string it out.
I've managed to get myself a new teaching job during this time, with a January start date. I have negotiated a significant pay rise too! What's your excuse?
MaxFromage said:
Good. No one likes looking at spotty teenagers. And perfectly in keeping with Burqa Boris's Britain.What's the issue with face coverings in the classroom?
Hancock is saying face masks won't provide protection for teachers...People will rightfully be asking why their children have to wear face coverings in an empty Tesco but don't have to wear one whilst sat in a room with 30 other teenagers.
These mixed messages are most likely contributing to wider scepticism amongst the public, perpetuating the conspiracy theorists.
Hancock is saying face masks won't provide protection for teachers...People will rightfully be asking why their children have to wear face coverings in an empty Tesco but don't have to wear one whilst sat in a room with 30 other teenagers.
These mixed messages are most likely contributing to wider scepticism amongst the public, perpetuating the conspiracy theorists.
The argument, I think, is that you have to weigh up the positives and negatives of any measures. They see face coverings in shops as an easy win because you don’t ‘need’ to communicate really.
In schools they think masks would hamper that AND that children would be more likely to mess about with them, keep touching their faces etc.
As a teacher and NASUWT member, who FWIW is against compulsory masks anywhere (apart from hospitals etc), I’m pretty annoyed the organisation that ‘represents’ me has called for masks in schools without any consultation as to what members actually want.
In schools they think masks would hamper that AND that children would be more likely to mess about with them, keep touching their faces etc.
As a teacher and NASUWT member, who FWIW is against compulsory masks anywhere (apart from hospitals etc), I’m pretty annoyed the organisation that ‘represents’ me has called for masks in schools without any consultation as to what members actually want.
SpeedMattersNot said:
What's the issue with face coverings in the classroom?
Hancock is saying face masks won't provide protection for teachers...People will rightfully be asking why their children have to wear face coverings in an empty Tesco but don't have to wear one whilst sat in a room with 30 other teenagers.
These mixed messages are most likely contributing to wider scepticism amongst the public, perpetuating the conspiracy theorists.
Hancock is saying face masks won't provide protection for teachers...People will rightfully be asking why their children have to wear face coverings in an empty Tesco but don't have to wear one whilst sat in a room with 30 other teenagers.
These mixed messages are most likely contributing to wider scepticism amongst the public, perpetuating the conspiracy theorists.
TomTheTyke said:
The argument, I think, is that you have to weigh up the positives and negatives of any measures. They see face coverings in shops as an easy win because you don’t ‘need’ to communicate really.
In schools they think masks would hamper that AND that children would be more likely to mess about with them, keep touching their faces etc.
As a teacher and NASUWT member, who FWIW is against compulsory masks anywhere (apart from hospitals etc), I’m pretty annoyed the organisation that ‘represents’ me has called for masks in schools without any consultation as to what members actually want.
There is no logic at all in the face mask debacle. Trying to look for any is a fool's errand.In schools they think masks would hamper that AND that children would be more likely to mess about with them, keep touching their faces etc.
As a teacher and NASUWT member, who FWIW is against compulsory masks anywhere (apart from hospitals etc), I’m pretty annoyed the organisation that ‘represents’ me has called for masks in schools without any consultation as to what members actually want.
(On the union front, do you know how your colleagues feel about it? Is this not something that you can complain to the union about?).
Murph7355 said:
Is this not something that you can complain to the union about?).
I have.As to my colleagues, there are mixed views probably broadly in line with society at large, around mask wearing generally. In terms of wearing them at school, I can’t recall talking about it much, possibly because the DfE have made it very clear from the start that they wouldn’t be worn, so there’s not been ‘debate’ as such.
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