Will China be brought to account?
Discussion
PurpleTurtle said:
Developing country? They've got the world's second largest economy!
Last time I was in Hyderabad I stayed in a five star hotel that would shame most western ones.
As stated above, China's problem that it has bestowed on the planet is its frankly medieval attitudes to animals, the treatment and eating thereof.
Using your logic India is a bigger economy than the UK, does that mean that it's not a developing country.Last time I was in Hyderabad I stayed in a five star hotel that would shame most western ones.
As stated above, China's problem that it has bestowed on the planet is its frankly medieval attitudes to animals, the treatment and eating thereof.
Are you also saying that a five star hotel in a country represents the economic development of an entire country?
J4CKO said:
I dont think they can be quietly allowed to do away with the Wet markets, or at least get them so they arent basically a market/bio weapons lab.
They need holding to account, from the international community, if you dont sort your s
t out then we dont buy your stuff, end of, freeze them out via sanctions until they clean their act up, including allowing inspections by foreign experts. Then the Chinese can use their iron fist over the traders.
Otherwise we are going to get one of these outbreaks every few years, possibly before this one finishes.
Their population needs educating, dont throw coins into plane engines, dont gob everywhere and stop trying to transport horrible, infested products back and forth on flights.
And the hand wringers will be out calling racist, I personally have nothing against the Chinese but I, like many are seriously angry and upset that our lives are being disrupted, people are dying because they cant manage to not create new and exciting viruses every few years, and I saw a video of someone clubbing a dog to death, I like dogs, dont club them please., if you simply have to kill somethign find a method other than using it as a fking canine Pinata.
We need the right to say when other groups are doing stuff that is detrimental, this virus didnt eminate from Black Puddings on Bury Market did it, wasnt from our local Artisan market.
Wet markets, per se, aren't the issue. 'Wet markets' are just open air, fresh produce markets. The problem is for some fvcked up reason they mix it with the trade in live animals and exotic wildlife jamming together mistreated and sick species like pangolins and bats in disgusting conditions. Let's ignore the trade in endangered species for now. The global community needs to be united in pressuring China to end this crap, completely, before they accidentally create something that wipes us all out. The revisionist Chinese version of events and lame whatabboutism seems to be starting now, they'll be blaming Trump and Johnson before we know it. China was having a hard enough time controlling their population prior to the outbreak (anyone even remember the HK protests any more?); I wonder if they even can shut this wildlife trade down if they wanted to? They need holding to account, from the international community, if you dont sort your s
t out then we dont buy your stuff, end of, freeze them out via sanctions until they clean their act up, including allowing inspections by foreign experts. Then the Chinese can use their iron fist over the traders.Otherwise we are going to get one of these outbreaks every few years, possibly before this one finishes.
Their population needs educating, dont throw coins into plane engines, dont gob everywhere and stop trying to transport horrible, infested products back and forth on flights.
And the hand wringers will be out calling racist, I personally have nothing against the Chinese but I, like many are seriously angry and upset that our lives are being disrupted, people are dying because they cant manage to not create new and exciting viruses every few years, and I saw a video of someone clubbing a dog to death, I like dogs, dont club them please., if you simply have to kill somethign find a method other than using it as a f
king canine Pinata.We need the right to say when other groups are doing stuff that is detrimental, this virus didnt eminate from Black Puddings on Bury Market did it, wasnt from our local Artisan market.
jeff666 said:
Do we know for sure this was a virus that jumped from Animal to Human ?
I did hear today it has been said it was man made, some conformation would be good either way.
The whataboutism really is no surprise on here again as per usual.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/03/2003...I did hear today it has been said it was man made, some conformation would be good either way.
The whataboutism really is no surprise on here again as per usual.
oyster said:
It wouldn't be PH without a xenophobic/racist theread near the top of the charts.
And there we have the real issue.You aren’t allowed to discuss actual real reasons or solutions without some donkey shouting racism.
All we can do is get through this and be better prepared for the next time it happens.
jamoor said:
I do agree with this, they are now in a position to "save the world"
The world will sing their praises.
Saying that we found an unlikely hero this week with Cuba. The US simply did nothing to help.
Seems it's already started...The world will sing their praises.
Saying that we found an unlikely hero this week with Cuba. The US simply did nothing to help.
""More evidence suggests that the virus was not originated at the seafood market in Wuhan at all, not to mention the so called 'made in China,'" Lin, the Chinese ambassador, tweeted on Monday, as if to prove the maxim that truth is the first casualty of war."
https://www.politico.eu/article/coronavirus-china-...
"On Thursday, a foreign ministry spokesman suggested without evidence the US military might have brought the virus to the Wuhan, the centre of the outbreak. Zhao Lijian accused the US of lacking transparency, saying on Twitter: “When did patient zero begin in US? How many people are infected? What are the names of the hospitals? It might be US army who brought the epidemic to Wuhan. Be transparent! Make public your data! US owe us an explanation!” "
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/12/cons...
Dr Doofenshmirtz said:
oyster said:
It wouldn't be PH without a xenophobic/racist theread near the top of the charts.
And there we have the real issue.You aren’t allowed to discuss actual real reasons or solutions without some donkey shouting racism.
All we can do is get through this and be better prepared for the next time it happens.
For some on NP&E it is like Christmas come early that they can rant and rave about the Chinese, their “disgusting” food habits and the EU for doing too
much/doing too little. Whilst of course studiously avoiding any criticism of Trump or BoJo.
Esceptico said:
It is fine to criticise China and have an open debate about the causes of the pandemic and what needs to be done to limit of stop future outbreaks but you would have to pretty dim, completely insensitive or a racist yourself not to see the clearly xenophobic and racist intent of many posts on here.
For some on NP&E it is like Christmas come early that they can rant and rave about the Chinese, their “disgusting” food habits and the EU for doing too
much/doing too little. Whilst of course studiously avoiding any criticism of Trump or BoJo.
Perfectly on cue.For some on NP&E it is like Christmas come early that they can rant and rave about the Chinese, their “disgusting” food habits and the EU for doing too
much/doing too little. Whilst of course studiously avoiding any criticism of Trump or BoJo.
Esceptico said:
Dr Doofenshmirtz said:
oyster said:
It wouldn't be PH without a xenophobic/racist theread near the top of the charts.
And there we have the real issue.You aren’t allowed to discuss actual real reasons or solutions without some donkey shouting racism.
All we can do is get through this and be better prepared for the next time it happens.
For some on NP&E it is like Christmas come early that they can rant and rave about the Chinese, their “disgusting” food habits and the EU for doing too
much/doing too little. Whilst of course studiously avoiding any criticism of Trump or BoJo.
Esceptico said:
Guybrush said:
Ever heard of Spanish Flu?
Squirrel Spanish flu did not originate in Spain. It was reported more in Spain because they were not fighting in WW1 and so less subject to censorship.
Calling CV19 Chinese flu is not the same as attacking the Chinese and their culture.
TonyTony said:
Of course... utter bks in order to cover up their fk up.WinkleHoff said:
If their culture involves doing insane things with animals, creating virus transfer, hushing it up, and allowing the rest of the world to become infected, then that part of their culture needs to be cricised freely.
You can include a lot of Asia in that...https://www.instagram.com/p/B96409TisLn/
China is certainly building up a track record interesting policies. Off the top of my head.
Violent cultural revolution
One child policy
Suppression Dali Lama and followers
Suppression Uigers
Extensive state monitoring of the individual.
There's probably a few that I've forgotten.
They will either take over the world or spontaneously self destruct.
Violent cultural revolution
One child policy
Suppression Dali Lama and followers
Suppression Uigers
Extensive state monitoring of the individual.
There's probably a few that I've forgotten.
They will either take over the world or spontaneously self destruct.
To be fair and, coverups aside, I wonder if any other country would or could have handled a similar outbreak any better. Despite having months to prepare no one else seems to be on course to deal with it any better. To my mind the real question is; can China make up for their initial response by putting their considerable resources behind a philanthropic global medical relief effort or will it come with strings attached.
Blue One said:
So this Coronavirus is the third sh*tstorm China has unleashed on the world this century, and the most deadly and impactful (the other two being SARS and bird flu). There are two sets of charges against them:
1. Economic/Human; cost, damage, death, health, disruption etc
2. Nature: barbaric treatment of animals, no effective action to manage transference of illness from animals to humans despite two previous instances
Beyond that, and not directly related, is the fact that almost any animal extinction story, or ecological disaster seems to have China's fingerprints on it (ivory trade/poaching, tiger hunting, shark fins, rainforest destruction etc).
The Chinese really have a lot of answer for! Despite that, I have a feeling they will emerge from this latest crisis stronger than ever as the world is now almost totally dependant on Chinese goods, money and support.
Ideally, some international court should slap real restrictions on China and make sure they make real changes to stop this kind of thing being repeated and to roll-back their impact on animals and nature.
Thoughts?
Yes, I think they should be brought to account. Ideally the people/army will bring about the end of the CCP. Sadly, it’s not going to happen.1. Economic/Human; cost, damage, death, health, disruption etc
2. Nature: barbaric treatment of animals, no effective action to manage transference of illness from animals to humans despite two previous instances
Beyond that, and not directly related, is the fact that almost any animal extinction story, or ecological disaster seems to have China's fingerprints on it (ivory trade/poaching, tiger hunting, shark fins, rainforest destruction etc).
The Chinese really have a lot of answer for! Despite that, I have a feeling they will emerge from this latest crisis stronger than ever as the world is now almost totally dependant on Chinese goods, money and support.
Ideally, some international court should slap real restrictions on China and make sure they make real changes to stop this kind of thing being repeated and to roll-back their impact on animals and nature.
Thoughts?
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