Will China be brought to account?

[Trophy Husband]

jamoor said:

GroundZero said:

jamoor said:

Do you at least agree that the figures are broadly comparable to its neighbours?

You would have a point if Japan was at 150k, Korea 300k, Vietnam 100k.

I am pretty sure that we have no reason to suspect that the figures from the above countries are false.

I have a brother-in-law who is married to a chinese girl who's family reside in the neighbouring province to Hubei. They have been party to some disturbing information that leaks out via simple conversations which are not "swept up" in time by the communist's army of speech police.

From what I've heard there is no chance at all I would believe the figures coming from the communist regime.

Do you agree the figures they have presented are at least comparable to neighbouring countries?

Please note I am saying that they have presented not whether they are accurate or not << this is a key point.

Surely China's influence is also exerted in neighbouring countries?

[isaldiri]

Trophy Husband said:

jamoor said:

GroundZero said:

jamoor said:

Do you at least agree that the figures are broadly comparable to its neighbours?

You would have a point if Japan was at 150k, Korea 300k, Vietnam 100k.

I am pretty sure that we have no reason to suspect that the figures from the above countries are false.

I have a brother-in-law who is married to a chinese girl who's family reside in the neighbouring province to Hubei. They have been party to some disturbing information that leaks out via simple conversations which are not "swept up" in time by the communist's army of speech police.

From what I've heard there is no chance at all I would believe the figures coming from the communist regime.

Do you agree the figures they have presented are at least comparable to neighbouring countries?

Please note I am saying that they have presented not whether they are accurate or not << this is a key point.

Surely China's influence is also exerted in neighbouring countries?

You really think Japan/South Korea and Taiwan are manipulating their case numbers to make it look lower due to China's influence.......?

[jamoor]

Trophy Husband said:

jamoor said:

GroundZero said:

jamoor said:

Do you at least agree that the figures are broadly comparable to its neighbours?

You would have a point if Japan was at 150k, Korea 300k, Vietnam 100k.

I am pretty sure that we have no reason to suspect that the figures from the above countries are false.

I have a brother-in-law who is married to a chinese girl who's family reside in the neighbouring province to Hubei. They have been party to some disturbing information that leaks out via simple conversations which are not "swept up" in time by the communist's army of speech police.

From what I've heard there is no chance at all I would believe the figures coming from the communist regime.

Do you agree the figures they have presented are at least comparable to neighbouring countries?

Please note I am saying that they have presented not whether they are accurate or not << this is a key point.

Surely China's influence is also exerted in neighbouring countries?

right now we are getting somewhere.

So Korea, Taiwan, Japan, Vietnam have all been influenced by China to report lower death/infection rates. Is that what you are saying?

[randytusk]

barryrs said:

isaldiri said:

Well you're unlikely to send your kid to a hospital if it's not pretty severe I'd have thought. that report is collating data supposedly based increased traffic to paediatric hospitals when covid19 has not been shown to seriously affect children in large numbers anywhere in the world.... So it's somewhat of a nonsense to suggest based on that covid was present earlier in Wuhan imo.

In my experience it’s quite the opposite with A&E full of kids with minor ailments. I don’t see why parents would be any different across the world.

Exactly. Couple that with an active social media that is likely to drive up parent hysteria. Children are less likely to get get sever disease, but that doesn't mean none of them became gravely ill and succumb - it only takes a few before parents start to become anxious that their child might be next. Witness the attempts to reopen UK primary schools for example.

If your child developed an intractable worsening cough and fever, would you leave them be? Had you called 111 prior to having the COVID protocol I'd no doubt you would eventually be directed to A&E....

111 was responsible for the huge numbers in A&E pre-covid - I currently work in a primary care unit that redirects many of these patients to a non-hospital acute unit. The phone never stops ringing......

[anxious_ant]

PRTVR said:

We didn't have the problem., china was shipping the problem out, if they hadn't we wouldn't be in the position we are in.

Not too sure what you mean by China "shipping the problem out". Are you saying this is deliberate action of CCP government to engineer a global pandemic?

The position we are in now is not solely caused by China's action. There have been failings in the UK government - testing, PPE, earlier lockdown. Are those not factors to consider?

[randytusk]

Trophy Husband said:

jamoor said:

GroundZero said:

jamoor said:

Do you at least agree that the figures are broadly comparable to its neighbours?

You would have a point if Japan was at 150k, Korea 300k, Vietnam 100k.

I am pretty sure that we have no reason to suspect that the figures from the above countries are false.

I have a brother-in-law who is married to a chinese girl who's family reside in the neighbouring province to Hubei. They have been party to some disturbing information that leaks out via simple conversations which are not "swept up" in time by the communist's army of speech police.

From what I've heard there is no chance at all I would believe the figures coming from the communist regime.

Do you agree the figures they have presented are at least comparable to neighbouring countries?

Please note I am saying that they have presented not whether they are accurate or not << this is a key point.

Surely China's influence is also exerted in neighbouring countries?

OR maybe there was widespread use of face masks in Asia even prior to COVID - that alone may have helped to limit spread?

[Trophy Husband]

jamoor said:

Trophy Husband said:

jamoor said:

GroundZero said:

jamoor said:

Do you at least agree that the figures are broadly comparable to its neighbours?

You would have a point if Japan was at 150k, Korea 300k, Vietnam 100k.

I am pretty sure that we have no reason to suspect that the figures from the above countries are false.

I have a brother-in-law who is married to a chinese girl who's family reside in the neighbouring province to Hubei. They have been party to some disturbing information that leaks out via simple conversations which are not "swept up" in time by the communist's army of speech police.

From what I've heard there is no chance at all I would believe the figures coming from the communist regime.

Do you agree the figures they have presented are at least comparable to neighbouring countries?

Please note I am saying that they have presented not whether they are accurate or not << this is a key point.

Surely China's influence is also exerted in neighbouring countries?

right now we are getting somewhere.

So Korea, Taiwan, Japan, Vietnam have all been influenced by China to report lower death/infection rates. Is that what you are saying?

Perhaps those countries knew about it before the RoW which, let's face it is possible? To be fair, anything is possible when it comes to China. I wouldn't discount any possibility that can be thought of. But we will never know unless the whistles blow.

[jamoor]

randytusk said:

Trophy Husband said:

jamoor said:

GroundZero said:

jamoor said:

Do you at least agree that the figures are broadly comparable to its neighbours?

You would have a point if Japan was at 150k, Korea 300k, Vietnam 100k.

I am pretty sure that we have no reason to suspect that the figures from the above countries are false.

I have a brother-in-law who is married to a chinese girl who's family reside in the neighbouring province to Hubei. They have been party to some disturbing information that leaks out via simple conversations which are not "swept up" in time by the communist's army of speech police.

From what I've heard there is no chance at all I would believe the figures coming from the communist regime.

Do you agree the figures they have presented are at least comparable to neighbouring countries?

Please note I am saying that they have presented not whether they are accurate or not << this is a key point.

Surely China's influence is also exerted in neighbouring countries?

OR maybe there was widespread use of face masks in Asia even prior to COVID - that alone may have helped to limit spread?

I tell you already that only the japanese use face masks in any noticeable manner. The other countries on my list generally don't.

[jamoor]

Trophy Husband said:

jamoor said:

Trophy Husband said:

jamoor said:

GroundZero said:

jamoor said:

Do you at least agree that the figures are broadly comparable to its neighbours?

You would have a point if Japan was at 150k, Korea 300k, Vietnam 100k.

I am pretty sure that we have no reason to suspect that the figures from the above countries are false.

I have a brother-in-law who is married to a chinese girl who's family reside in the neighbouring province to Hubei. They have been party to some disturbing information that leaks out via simple conversations which are not "swept up" in time by the communist's army of speech police.

From what I've heard there is no chance at all I would believe the figures coming from the communist regime.

Do you agree the figures they have presented are at least comparable to neighbouring countries?

Please note I am saying that they have presented not whether they are accurate or not << this is a key point.

Surely China's influence is also exerted in neighbouring countries?

right now we are getting somewhere.

So Korea, Taiwan, Japan, Vietnam have all been influenced by China to report lower death/infection rates. Is that what you are saying?

Perhaps those countries knew about it before the RoW which, let's face it is possible? To be fair, anything is possible when it comes to China. I wouldn't discount any possibility that can be thought of. But we will never know unless the whistles blow.

Great now we are getting somewhere.

China secretly told the

Korean government - a key US ally with US bases within the country
Japanese goverment - see above
Taiwanese government - a US ally
Vietnam government - OK we may not know what's going on here.

You do realise how ridiculous all of this sounds don't you?

[jamoor]

anxious_ant said:

PRTVR said:

We didn't have the problem., china was shipping the problem out, if they hadn't we wouldn't be in the position we are in.

Not too sure what you mean by China "shipping the problem out". Are you saying this is deliberate action of CCP government to engineer a global pandemic?

The position we are in now is not solely caused by China's action. There have been failings in the UK government - testing, PPE, earlier lockdown. Are those not factors to consider?

There have been failings in alot of Europe and America. The east asian countries managed it without problem and zero warning.

[PRTVR]

jamoor said:

I tell you already that only the japanese use face masks in any noticeable manner. The other countries on my list generally don't.

Was that meant to be in a Chinese style sentence, did the mask slip.
In english we would have said told or explained not tell .

[amusingduck]

jamoor said:

Great now we are getting somewhere.

China secretly told the

Korean government - a key US ally with US bases within the country
Japanese goverment - see above
Taiwanese government - a US ally
Vietnam government - OK we may not know what's going on here.

You do realise how ridiculous all of this sounds don't you?

Have you heard of this radical concept?



Why would go straight to the assumption that China told them?

[jamoor]

amusingduck said:

jamoor said:

Great now we are getting somewhere.

China secretly told the

Korean government - a key US ally with US bases within the country
Japanese goverment - see above
Taiwanese government - a US ally
Vietnam government - OK we may not know what's going on here.

You do realise how ridiculous all of this sounds don't you?

Have you heard of this radical concept?



Why would go straight to the assumption that China told them?

Ah okay so these countries, key allies found out about a supervirus (did one find out and tell the others or did they all spy on china themselves?) and told noone, instead they decided to make their own preparations to get ready for the onslaught?

I'm not sure which sounds more ridiculous.

[jamoor]

PRTVR said:

jamoor said:

I tell you already that only the japanese use face masks in any noticeable manner. The other countries on my list generally don't.

Was that meant to be in a Chinese style sentence, did the mask slip.
In english we would have said told or explained not tell .

Is that the best response you can come up with? Really?

[otolith]

jamoor said:

PRTVR said:

jamoor said:

I tell you already that only the japanese use face masks in any noticeable manner. The other countries on my list generally don't.

Was that meant to be in a Chinese style sentence, did the mask slip.
In english we would have said told or explained not tell .

Is that the best response you can come up with? Really?

Sleeper agent for 14 years, those Chinese spooks play the long game!

[jamoor]

otolith said:

jamoor said:

PRTVR said:

jamoor said:

I tell you already that only the japanese use face masks in any noticeable manner. The other countries on my list generally don't.

Was that meant to be in a Chinese style sentence, did the mask slip.
In english we would have said told or explained not tell .

Is that the best response you can come up with? Really?

Sleeper agent for 14 years, those Chinese spooks play the long game!

One hell of a game

[Trophy Husband]

jamoor said:

amusingduck said:

jamoor said:

Great now we are getting somewhere.

China secretly told the

Korean government - a key US ally with US bases within the country
Japanese goverment - see above
Taiwanese government - a US ally
Vietnam government - OK we may not know what's going on here.

You do realise how ridiculous all of this sounds don't you?

Have you heard of this radical concept?



Why would go straight to the assumption that China told them?

Ah okay so these countries, key allies found out about a supervirus (did one find out and tell the others or did they all spy on china themselves?) and told noone, instead they decided to make their own preparations to get ready for the onslaught?

I'm not sure which sounds more ridiculous.

Key allies is subjective as a concept. Can we be sure? I very much doubt it.

[PRTVR]

jamoor said:

PRTVR said:

jamoor said:

I tell you already that only the japanese use face masks in any noticeable manner. The other countries on my list generally don't.

Was that meant to be in a Chinese style sentence, did the mask slip.
In english we would have said told or explained not tell .

Is that the best response you can come up with? Really?

Well I thought it was funny.

[anonymous-user]

China's neighbours had single figure 'seed' cases in the early days which were effectively 'track and traced' using strategies and resources in place since sars. The uk was seeded by thousands of cases from europe making a case explosion inevitable.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00502-w

The chinese numbers are a nonsense IMO. The ccp don't know how to tell the truth even if they wanted to.

[isaldiri]

randytusk said:

barryrs said:

isaldiri said:

Well you're unlikely to send your kid to a hospital if it's not pretty severe I'd have thought. that report is collating data supposedly based increased traffic to paediatric hospitals when covid19 has not been shown to seriously affect children in large numbers anywhere in the world.... So it's somewhat of a nonsense to suggest based on that covid was present earlier in Wuhan imo.

In my experience it’s quite the opposite with A&E full of kids with minor ailments. I don’t see why parents would be any different across the world.

Exactly. Couple that with an active social media that is likely to drive up parent hysteria. Children are less likely to get get sever disease, but that doesn't mean none of them became gravely ill and succumb - it only takes a few before parents start to become anxious that their child might be next. Witness the attempts to reopen UK primary schools for example.

If your child developed an intractable worsening cough and fever, would you leave them be? Had you called 111 prior to having the COVID protocol I'd no doubt you would eventually be directed to A&E....

111 was responsible for the huge numbers in A&E pre-covid - I currently work in a primary care unit that redirects many of these patients to a non-hospital acute unit. The phone never stops ringing......

We have iirc 2% of children under the age of 15 in hospitals with covid here in the UK with a fairly large outbreak. If paediatric hospitals were filling up in Wuhan in october 19 due to children with covid as is being suggested, the rest of the hospital system would have been overflowing like it did in Jan-Feb 20.....