Will China be brought to account?

[Condi]

So said:

Do you have the official numbers from China then to prove the them?

I mean, proper official ones, not the ones they hand out promising they are.

Do you? Moreover, do you have any evidence to suggest the current ones are wrong?

It would be odd if China alone had very low numbers, but the fact that other Asian countries also have low numbers suggests maybe they're not as wrong as they look if compared with Western countries.

[jamoor]

Condi said:

Do you? Moreover, do you have any evidence to suggest the current ones are wrong?

It would be odd if China alone had very low numbers, but the fact that other Asian countries also have low numbers suggests maybe they're not as wrong as they look if compared with Western countries.

Couple the Chinese numbers with the extreme level of social control they have and they make even more sense.

The same level of social control that western countries complain about but they suddenly forget about when it comes to controlling the virus’s spread

[A Winner Is You]

dukeboy749r said:

Blue62 said:

A Winner Is You said:

LBC presenter Maajud Nawaz is going on hunger strike over the persecution of the Uigur muslims

https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/status/12833294367...

It’s time their fate was highlighted so applaud his efforts personally. I am astonished how little Muslim countries have done to challenge China, especially when set against their reaction to a few harmless cartoons or The Satanic Verses.

This.

In an age where we are now made all too aware of such atrocities, it is to our collective shame that we do not stand up and do more to either prevent, or by our silence condone, such actions

The silence has certainly been deafening, but it doesn't involve Trump or Israel so the usual types who spend their lives fighting for oppressed people don't care.

[ReallyReallyGood]

jamoor said:

What evidence do you have to claim that the numbers they say are false?

Wow.

Apart from the testimonies of people who live there, the well-reported Urn mass purchases, and the general distrust of anything the CCP say based on their initial coverup... sure they’re entirely plausible.

[So]

Ok, fair do's but why the huge cover up to start with?

They had known about this since end of last beginning of this year but kept it to themselves.

And it's awfully convenient that some scientists have disappeared or died, in particular the one who initially made the rest of the world aware.

[jamoor]

ReallyReallyGood said:

Wow.

Apart from the testimonies of people who live there, the well-reported Urn mass purchases, and the general distrust of anything the CCP say based on their initial coverup... sure they’re entirely plausible.

Any evidence of this?

It’s like trump in reverse. Instead of orange man bad it’s China bad.

[Condi]

So said:

They had known about this since end of last beginning of this year but kept it to themselves.

The knew about it since Jan 2019? Really?

[amusingduck]

Condi said:

So said:

They had known about this since end of last beginning of this year but kept it to themselves.

The knew about it since Jan 2019? Really?

Jan 2019 is neither the end of last year or the beginning of this year.

indy said:

A second report has claimed that the US collected intelligence pointing to a public health crisis in Wuhan as far back as November, after officials dismissed allegations earlier this week.

On Wednesday, ABC News said that the National Center for Medical Intelligence had known of a spreading contagion in the Chinese city in November and later presented the White House and Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) with its findings on “multiple” occasions.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/coronavirus-wuhan-china-november-us-dia-covid-19-a9459021.html

This article probably better

gruaniad said:

The first case of someone suffering from Covid-19 can be traced back to 17 November, according to media reports on unpublished Chinese government data.

The report, in the South China Morning Post, said Chinese authorities had identified at least 266 people who contracted the virus last year and who came under medical surveillance, and the earliest case was 17 November – weeks before authorities announced the emergence of the new virus.

The Chinese government was widely criticised over attempts to cover up the outbreak in the early weeks, including crackdowns on doctors who tried to warn colleagues about a new Sars-like virus which was emerging in the city of Wuhan in Hubei province.


The data obtained by the Post, which the Guardian has not been able to verify, said a 55-year-old from Hubei province could have been the first person to contract Covid-19. For about one month after that date there were one to five new cases reported each day, the report said, and by 20 December there were 60 confirmed cases.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/13/first-covid-19-case-happened-in-november-china-government-records-show-report

Edited by amusingduck on Wednesday 15th July 14:00

[barryrs]

Condi said:

So said:

They had known about this since end of last beginning of this year but kept it to themselves.

The knew about it since Jan 2019? Really?

How did you get jan 19 from that?

[Condi]

barryrs said:

Condi said:

So said:

They had known about this since end of last beginning of this year but kept it to themselves.

The knew about it since Jan 2019? Really?

How did you get jan 19 from that?

Because I read this;

They had known about this since beginning of last year but kept it to themselves.

Which I now see is not what was written above. (Reserve the right to think the OP edited his post... )

[vaud]

Condi said:

So said:

They had known about this since end of last beginning of this year but kept it to themselves.

The knew about it since Jan 2019? Really?

I think they meant " since end of last / beginning of this year "

[anonymous-user]

A Winner Is You said:

dukeboy749r said:

Blue62 said:

A Winner Is You said:

LBC presenter Maajud Nawaz is going on hunger strike over the persecution of the Uigur muslims

https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/status/12833294367...

It’s time their fate was highlighted so applaud his efforts personally. I am astonished how little Muslim countries have done to challenge China, especially when set against their reaction to a few harmless cartoons or The Satanic Verses.

This.

In an age where we are now made all too aware of such atrocities, it is to our collective shame that we do not stand up and do more to either prevent, or by our silence condone, such actions

The silence has certainly been deafening, but it doesn't involve Trump or Israel so the usual types who spend their lives fighting for oppressed people don't care.

Only one game in town as far as racism is concerned.

[Smiler.]

REALIST123 said:

A Winner Is You said:

dukeboy749r said:

Blue62 said:

A Winner Is You said:

LBC presenter Maajud Nawaz is going on hunger strike over the persecution of the Uigur muslims

https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/status/12833294367...

It’s time their fate was highlighted so applaud his efforts personally. I am astonished how little Muslim countries have done to challenge China, especially when set against their reaction to a few harmless cartoons or The Satanic Verses.

This.

In an age where we are now made all too aware of such atrocities, it is to our collective shame that we do not stand up and do more to either prevent, or by our silence condone, such actions

The silence has certainly been deafening, but it doesn't involve Trump or Israel so the usual types who spend their lives fighting for oppressed people don't care.

Only one game in town as far as racism is concerned.

"Someone just leaked drone footage of CCP authorities loading Uyghurs onto trains, presumably to transport them to reeducation camps."

https://twitter.com/WalkerMarcus/status/1283450127...

[jamoor]

Smiler. said:

REALIST123 said:

A Winner Is You said:

dukeboy749r said:

Blue62 said:

A Winner Is You said:

LBC presenter Maajud Nawaz is going on hunger strike over the persecution of the Uigur muslims

https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/status/12833294367...

It’s time their fate was highlighted so applaud his efforts personally. I am astonished how little Muslim countries have done to challenge China, especially when set against their reaction to a few harmless cartoons or The Satanic Verses.

This.

In an age where we are now made all too aware of such atrocities, it is to our collective shame that we do not stand up and do more to either prevent, or by our silence condone, such actions

The silence has certainly been deafening, but it doesn't involve Trump or Israel so the usual types who spend their lives fighting for oppressed people don't care.

Only one game in town as far as racism is concerned.

"Someone just leaked drone footage of CCP authorities loading Uyghurs onto trains, presumably to transport them to reeducation camps."

https://twitter.com/WalkerMarcus/status/1283450127...

It has taken ages for the world to cotton onto this, they ought to cotton onto the kashmir issue as well as its not too dissimilar.

[Exige77]

CCP don’t give a damm what outsiders think so sadly not much can be done unless someone fancies a war.

As mentioned, Islam has not been very active on this.

[coolg]

Imran Khan went cap in hand to the Chinese for cash.

How long do we give Majad until he dies ? Thanks

[Digga]

Exige77 said:

CCP don’t give a damm what outsiders think so sadly not much can be done unless someone fancies a war.

As mentioned, Islam has not been very active on this.

Ironically, while the West look to the works of Confucious and Sun Tsu, the CCP look to the Eric Cartman school of bribery, bullying and tantrums, as means to furthering their interests.

They are ideologically and intellectually incapable of playing well with others. Like Cartman with his poor, long suffering mum, they are not even nice to their own.

[Carl_Manchester]

Lol that Cartman reference has killed me. Bravo Digga.

[nikaiyo2]

jamoor said:

It has taken ages for the world to cotton onto this, they ought to cotton onto the kashmir issue as well as its not too dissimilar.

In what way is it similar?

[jamoor]

nikaiyo2 said:

In what way is it similar?

Large mass of people rounded up , disconnected from the outside world and put under curfew. It's not genocide but it's not exactly a pleasant situation for those concerned.