Will China be brought to account?
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Carl_Manchester said:
Chinese media have issued a statement regarding the three gorges dam situation:
https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1195239.shtml
Seems fair and balanced.https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1195239.shtml
I’m sure I’m repeating myself, but we really need to stop using them for any major projects / investment / technology / business dealings. Yeah obviously we still need their cheap crap that’s made there, and if Apple etc want to make stuff for consumers there fair enough. But no country / govt stuff. We should disengage with them. If they’re are offering something at a price others can’t match, there’s a reason and we’ll ‘pay’ for it later. It’s like dealing with a loan shark.
CoolHands said:
I’m sure I’m repeating myself, but we really need to stop using them for any major projects / investment / technology / business dealings. Yeah obviously we still need their cheap crap that’s made there, and if Apple etc want to make stuff for consumers there fair enough. But no country / govt stuff. We should disengage with them. If they’re are offering something at a price others can’t match, there’s a reason and we’ll ‘pay’ for it later. It’s like dealing with a loan shark.
We don’t need their cheap crap either. There are other cheaper and more easily policed countries in that area.If consumers want it, their cheap tat can be sourced from other countries. Might take a while but it’s doable.
Exige77 said:
We don’t need their cheap crap either. There are other cheaper and more easily policed countries in that area.
If consumers want it, their cheap tat can be sourced from other countries. Might take a while but it’s doable.
Very much this, I said right at the beginning of this thread that it could take a generation to disentangle ourselves from them, but we can do it if we so wish and I think we should. It's no good moaning about the oppressed minorities and then buying the normal crap from Alibaba or similar. Unfortunately the collateral damage in the medium term will be the Chinese populace who are not totally to blame for the actions of their leadership, however it is only them that can ultimately change the course of the country.If consumers want it, their cheap tat can be sourced from other countries. Might take a while but it’s doable.
Going forward if many countries change their attitude then China will be in a spot of bother. They have a population that has started to expect a better standard of living (quite rightly) off of the back of pumping out this crap. If graduates can no longer find jobs in China and are not as welcome elsewhere then I can imagine the regime coming under growing pressure. However it is a fine tightrope, the last thing the region needs is China going "hot" in a move to take it's populace's eyes off of the real problem. China's expansionist policy may look closer to home if they cannot "buy" their way into Africa etc.
stu67 said:
Exige77 said:
We don’t need their cheap crap either. There are other cheaper and more easily policed countries in that area.
If consumers want it, their cheap tat can be sourced from other countries. Might take a while but it’s doable.
Very much this, I said right at the beginning of this thread that it could take a generation to disentangle ourselves from them, but we can do it if we so wish and I think we should. It's no good moaning about the oppressed minorities and then buying the normal crap from Alibaba or similar. Unfortunately the collateral damage in the medium term will be the Chinese populace who are not totally to blame for the actions of their leadership, however it is only them that can ultimately change the course of the country.If consumers want it, their cheap tat can be sourced from other countries. Might take a while but it’s doable.
Going forward if many countries change their attitude then China will be in a spot of bother. They have a population that has started to expect a better standard of living (quite rightly) off of the back of pumping out this crap. If graduates can no longer find jobs in China and are not as welcome elsewhere then I can imagine the regime coming under growing pressure. However it is a fine tightrope, the last thing the region needs is China going "hot" in a move to take it's populace's eyes off of the real problem. China's expansionist policy may look closer to home if they cannot "buy" their way into Africa etc.
There was an interesting video about the current economic state of China a couple of weeks ago, it's not looking good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuAAGEnCqnU
Not sure if it's already been mentioned already in the thread but the EU are now applying tariffs to certain Chinese exports
Not sure if it's already been mentioned already in the thread but the EU are now applying tariffs to certain Chinese exports
Bloomberg said:
EU Challenges China’s Trade Expansion With Landmark Tariff
The European Union fired a warning shot at China over its global trade ambitions with an unprecedented tariff decision to counter Chinese subsidies to exporters.
For the first time, the EU on Monday took aim at alleged market-distorting aid granted by a country to exporters located in another state. To date, such European duties have focused only on subsidies provided by the country where the exporters are based.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-15...
The European Union fired a warning shot at China over its global trade ambitions with an unprecedented tariff decision to counter Chinese subsidies to exporters.
For the first time, the EU on Monday took aim at alleged market-distorting aid granted by a country to exporters located in another state. To date, such European duties have focused only on subsidies provided by the country where the exporters are based.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-15...
untakenname said:
There was an interesting video about the current economic state of China a couple of weeks ago, it's not looking good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuAAGEnCqnU
Not sure if it's already been mentioned already in the thread but the EU are now applying tariffs to certain Chinese exports
Aside from urban inequality, talking about China as one nation forgets the scale of the place. A bit like comparing jobs and income in Northern Europe, to North Africa.Not sure if it's already been mentioned already in the thread but the EU are now applying tariffs to certain Chinese exports
Bloomberg said:
EU Challenges China’s Trade Expansion With Landmark Tariff
The European Union fired a warning shot at China over its global trade ambitions with an unprecedented tariff decision to counter Chinese subsidies to exporters.
For the first time, the EU on Monday took aim at alleged market-distorting aid granted by a country to exporters located in another state. To date, such European duties have focused only on subsidies provided by the country where the exporters are based.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-15...
The European Union fired a warning shot at China over its global trade ambitions with an unprecedented tariff decision to counter Chinese subsidies to exporters.
For the first time, the EU on Monday took aim at alleged market-distorting aid granted by a country to exporters located in another state. To date, such European duties have focused only on subsidies provided by the country where the exporters are based.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-15...
The West has been, IMHO, too blind to the damage of China's subsidised export policy. What the EU does is less important than the USA, which represents a far, far higher proportion of Chinese exports.
It’s a funny old world
China exported Covid to the world, in a similar manner to infected sheep being launched into cities under siege, in medieval times
They seek to benefit from this. Accident or a happy consequence for the Chinese rulers?
Our answer. Get everyone on a bike, as in 1970s China!
China exported Covid to the world, in a similar manner to infected sheep being launched into cities under siege, in medieval times
They seek to benefit from this. Accident or a happy consequence for the Chinese rulers?
Our answer. Get everyone on a bike, as in 1970s China!
Jimboka said:
It’s a funny old world
China exported Covid to the world, in a similar manner to infected sheep being launched into cities under siege, in medieval times
They seek to benefit from this. Accident or a happy consequence for the Chinese rulers?
Our answer. Get everyone on a bike, as in 1970s China!
Chinese economy is inextricably linked to the west, as our economies tank so does their export marketChina exported Covid to the world, in a similar manner to infected sheep being launched into cities under siege, in medieval times
They seek to benefit from this. Accident or a happy consequence for the Chinese rulers?
Our answer. Get everyone on a bike, as in 1970s China!
Their domestic market is large but generally poor or very poor with GDP per capita multiples below western countries & totally insufficient to continue the explosive growth they have seen in the last 30 years
jakesmith said:
Jimboka said:
It’s a funny old world
China exported Covid to the world, in a similar manner to infected sheep being launched into cities under siege, in medieval times
They seek to benefit from this. Accident or a happy consequence for the Chinese rulers?
Our answer. Get everyone on a bike, as in 1970s China!
Chinese economy is inextricably linked to the west, as our economies tank so does their export marketChina exported Covid to the world, in a similar manner to infected sheep being launched into cities under siege, in medieval times
They seek to benefit from this. Accident or a happy consequence for the Chinese rulers?
Our answer. Get everyone on a bike, as in 1970s China!
Their domestic market is large but generally poor or very poor with GDP per capita multiples below western countries & totally insufficient to continue the explosive growth they have seen in the last 30 years
Surprising 'exposé by the BBC last night on Panorama about China's Coronavirus coverup, only a few months too late but it's nice to see the BBC finally using some critical thought and not just parroting PR disguised as news reports.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000k4dq/pan...
Held no punches with the WHO being in China's pocket, their spokesman was squirming with some of the questions.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000k4dq/pan...
Held no punches with the WHO being in China's pocket, their spokesman was squirming with some of the questions.
untakenname said:
Surprising 'exposé by the BBC last night on Panorama about China's Coronavirus coverup, only a few months too late but it's nice to see the BBC finally using some critical thought and not just parroting PR disguised as news reports.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000k4dq/pan...
Held no punches with the WHO being in China's pocket, their spokesman was squirming with some of the questions.
Having been in an industry that was "investigated" by Panorama. I would take that with a whole load of salt, its most likely BS that people want to hear rather than actual facts.https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000k4dq/pan...
Held no punches with the WHO being in China's pocket, their spokesman was squirming with some of the questions.
jamoor said:
untakenname said:
Surprising 'exposé by the BBC last night on Panorama about China's Coronavirus coverup, only a few months too late but it's nice to see the BBC finally using some critical thought and not just parroting PR disguised as news reports.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000k4dq/pan...
Held no punches with the WHO being in China's pocket, their spokesman was squirming with some of the questions.
Having been in an industry that was "investigated" by Panorama. I would take that with a whole load of salt, its most likely BS that people want to hear rather than actual facts.https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000k4dq/pan...
Held no punches with the WHO being in China's pocket, their spokesman was squirming with some of the questions.
The irony of your post is off the scale!
Chinese whilstle-blower Dr. Li-Meng Yan has joined twitter and posted a report, it has been mirrored at the following website.
https://thenationalpulse.com/breaking/whistleblowe...
Dr. Yan can be followed here: https://twitter.com/LiMengYAN119
https://thenationalpulse.com/breaking/whistleblowe...
Dr. Yan can be followed here: https://twitter.com/LiMengYAN119
To the surprise of absolutely nobody...
China has Been Doing ‘Mass Surveillance’ on Millions of Citizens in US, UK, Australia and India
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xg89aj/china-ha...
China has Been Doing ‘Mass Surveillance’ on Millions of Citizens in US, UK, Australia and India
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xg89aj/china-ha...
amusingduck said:
To the surprise of absolutely nobody...
China has Been Doing ‘Mass Surveillance’ on Millions of Citizens in US, UK, Australia and India
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xg89aj/china-ha...
And I'm sure that the UK and USA definitely doesn't do the same. China has Been Doing ‘Mass Surveillance’ on Millions of Citizens in US, UK, Australia and India
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xg89aj/china-ha...
Didn't Snowdon's files show some of the NSAs key capabilities and describe similar databases?
Carl_Manchester said:
Chinese whilstle-blower Dr. Li-Meng Yan has joined twitter and posted a report, it has been mirrored at the following website.
https://thenationalpulse.com/breaking/whistleblowe...
Dr. Yan can be followed here: https://twitter.com/LiMengYAN119
Dr. Yan is now banned from Twitter.https://thenationalpulse.com/breaking/whistleblowe...
Dr. Yan can be followed here: https://twitter.com/LiMengYAN119
Foxnews interview is here:
https://www.foxnews.com/media/chinese-virologist-g...
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