Lockdown Imminent
Discussion
snuffy said:
So if a person tests positive and yestetday they went to the CoOp WHSmiths and M&S, are those shops now expected to close?
Or maybe someone took umbridge at being treated like a child in their local and decided to take their revenge?
I would expect most businesses who had been made aware of the fact that someone who had tested positive for CV19 and then knowingly exposed others including those staff in any business, the business would be duty-bound to shut shop if only to protect their staff and wherever possible contact their customers to let them know of their concern.Or maybe someone took umbridge at being treated like a child in their local and decided to take their revenge?
It would probably be best to direct one's ire at the irresponsible >insert appropriate descriptive word here< who had acted like a child who'd taken their revenge on the pub, or the irresponsible >insert appropriate descriptive word here< who having being told they had CV19 continued to carry on as though nothing had happened.
don'tbesilly said:
I would expect most businesses who had been made aware of the fact that someone who had tested positive for CV19 and then knowingly exposed others including those staff in any business, the business would be duty-bound to shut shop if only to protect their staff and wherever possible contact their customers to let them know of their concern.
It would probably be best to direct one's ire at the irresponsible >insert appropriate descriptive word here< who had acted like a child who'd taken their revenge on the pub, or the irresponsible >insert appropriate descriptive word here< who having being told they had CV19 continued to carry on as though nothing had happened.
Knowingly exposed others? You mean they deliberately did so ?It would probably be best to direct one's ire at the irresponsible >insert appropriate descriptive word here< who had acted like a child who'd taken their revenge on the pub, or the irresponsible >insert appropriate descriptive word here< who having being told they had CV19 continued to carry on as though nothing had happened.
If you do as you suggest then every business in the UK will have to close because theres a fair chance that anymore testing positive has been somewhere or other during the last few days.
m3jappa said:
All of the local builders merchants are still closed on saturdays even though demand is through the roof (by their own admission).
Seems odd to me tbh.
is it just the uk work ethic ? if i had a buisness i would be open all hours trying hard to get things rolling and bring some cash in , like you i see lots of places still closed for no good reason Seems odd to me tbh.
snuffy said:
don'tbesilly said:
I would expect most businesses who had been made aware of the fact that someone who had tested positive for CV19 and then knowingly exposed others including those staff in any business, the business would be duty-bound to shut shop if only to protect their staff and wherever possible contact their customers to let them know of their concern.
It would probably be best to direct one's ire at the irresponsible >insert appropriate descriptive word here< who had acted like a child who'd taken their revenge on the pub, or the irresponsible >insert appropriate descriptive word here< who having being told they had CV19 continued to carry on as though nothing had happened.
Knowingly exposed others? You mean they deliberately did so ?It would probably be best to direct one's ire at the irresponsible >insert appropriate descriptive word here< who had acted like a child who'd taken their revenge on the pub, or the irresponsible >insert appropriate descriptive word here< who having being told they had CV19 continued to carry on as though nothing had happened.
If you do as you suggest then every business in the UK will have to close because theres a fair chance that anymore testing positive has been somewhere or other during the last few days.
snuffy said:
So if a person tests positive and yestetday they went to the CoOp WHSmiths and M&S, are those shops now expected to close?
If the person had tested positive for CV19 prior to going to the Coop/WH Smith/MS and the businesses were made aware of the visit after the event, what other course of action could they take, just ignore it, or close the business?If the person was unaware they had the virus when visiting those businesses, of course, they wouldn't need to shut shop, they wouldn't be aware of any exposure, as far as they were concerned none had taken place.
Your post seems to suggest the person in question knew they had CV19?
snuffy said:
Or maybe someone took umbridge at being treated like a child in their local and decided to take their revenge?
My original point still stands in regards where to direct your ire. Unfortunately, the pub would have to act in regards the spurious claim made by the childish customer, if the childish claim made was a serious one which went ignored one can only imagine the s
te storm the business would face if it led to multiple infections, even more so if it led to the demise of a customer/sdon'tbesilly said:
snuffy said:
So if a person tests positive and yestetday they went to the CoOp WHSmiths and M&S, are those shops now expected to close?
If the person had tested positive for CV19 prior to going to the Coop/WH Smith/MS and the businesses were made aware of the visit after the event, what other course of action could they take, just ignore it, or close the business?If the person was unaware they had the virus when visiting those businesses, of course, they wouldn't need to shut shop, they wouldn't be aware of any exposure, as far as they were concerned none had taken place.
Your post seems to suggest the person in question knew they had CV19?
If someone had a Covid test and was found to have had the virus, then likely for 2-3 days beforehand they would have also had the virus. Should every shop the person visited in those 2-3 days now have to shut for 2 weeks? It's not a difficult question to ask what places they had been for the last 2 days, and so how does knowing you have the virus make any difference?
Obviously if you have a positive test and then go to the pub that's a bit of a dick move, but it presents no more risk than someone who has the virus but hasn't been tested and maybe is showing only mild or no symptoms.
don'tbesilly said:
Stay in Bed Instead said:
Robertj21a said:
BBC News has just announced that 3 pubs across the country that had reopened have now had to close after a customer tested positive for the virus.
That does appear to be their own chosen action though rather than Government diktat.It would be wholly irresponsible on the part of the businesses involved to remain open when the positive result of a customer for CV19 has potentially exposed both their staff and clientele to the same virus.
Did they need to be told what to do by a Govt diktat, and then only close their business and act in a responsible manner?
If your business suffered similarly would you shut up shop, or wait until told to do so by a Govt diktat?
JQ said:
don'tbesilly said:
Stay in Bed Instead said:
Robertj21a said:
BBC News has just announced that 3 pubs across the country that had reopened have now had to close after a customer tested positive for the virus.
That does appear to be their own chosen action though rather than Government diktat.It would be wholly irresponsible on the part of the businesses involved to remain open when the positive result of a customer for CV19 has potentially exposed both their staff and clientele to the same virus.
Did they need to be told what to do by a Govt diktat, and then only close their business and act in a responsible manner?
If your business suffered similarly would you shut up shop, or wait until told to do so by a Govt diktat?
Would you visit a business be it a shop or other business knowing you were possibly suffering from the symptoms of CV19 or you had tested positive for CV19?
The Govt advice for both the above are widely known and widely published.
Perhaps that's the problem, not only are people ignoring the known symptoms of the virus and carrying on as usual, despite the Govt advice, and worse still ignoring a positive test for CV19 and carrying on regardless, again ignoring Govt advice.
don'tbesilly said:
I couldn't agree more, umpteen businesses up and down the country will have had customers visiting and shopping in them that had CV19.
Would you visit a business be it a shop or other business knowing you were possibly suffering from the symptoms of CV19 or you had tested positive for CV19?
The Govt advice for both the above are widely known and widely published.
Perhaps that's the problem, not only are people ignoring the known symptoms of the virus and carrying on as usual, despite the Govt advice, and worse still ignoring a positive test for CV19 and carrying on regardless, again ignoring Govt advice.
But you could visit the shop/pub/whatever without knowing you had CV19 and then develop symptoms a few days afterwards, have a test which then may be positive.Would you visit a business be it a shop or other business knowing you were possibly suffering from the symptoms of CV19 or you had tested positive for CV19?
The Govt advice for both the above are widely known and widely published.
Perhaps that's the problem, not only are people ignoring the known symptoms of the virus and carrying on as usual, despite the Govt advice, and worse still ignoring a positive test for CV19 and carrying on regardless, again ignoring Govt advice.
So you didn't know at the time you went, but you do now.
So in these 3 pubs cases, you could have gone to the pub on Saturday with no symptoms, then start to feel unwell on Sunday and have a test, get the results Monday, then inform the pub you had it, and now the pub is expected to close (or does it? That's a different matter/question).
don'tbesilly said:
I couldn't agree more, umpteen businesses up and down the country will have had customers visiting and shopping in them that had CV19.
Would you visit a business be it a shop or other business knowing you were possibly suffering from the symptoms of CV19 or you had tested positive for CV19?
Lots of people don't know they have it.Would you visit a business be it a shop or other business knowing you were possibly suffering from the symptoms of CV19 or you had tested positive for CV19?
don'tbesilly said:
The Govt advice for both the above are widely known and widely published.
Please could you state what that advice is? You seem to be intimating that if a shop has had a Covid + customer or worker that shop should shut, really? I'm not aware of a single shop that's closed for that reason. don'tbesilly said:
Perhaps that's the problem, not only are people ignoring the known symptoms of the virus and carrying on as usual, despite the Govt advice, and worse still ignoring a positive test for CV19 and carrying on regardless, again ignoring Govt advice.
The issue is that lots of people don't know they have it.Edited by JQ on Tuesday 7th July 09:34
Edited by JQ on Tuesday 7th July 09:35
steveo3002 said:
is it just the uk work ethic ? if i had a buisness i would be open all hours trying hard to get things rolling and bring some cash in , like you i see lots of places still closed for no good reason
For as long as the furlough scheme is running, why take the risk of paying your own staff again?When furlough ends, businesses will have a harder choice to make - open & maximise revenue or lay staff off.
Robertj21a said:
BBC News has just announced that 3 pubs across the country that had reopened have now had to close after a customer tested positive for the virus.
The Village Home is my local, the landlord has always been a bit of a knob (I used to play football with him years ago) and has been bragging on Facebook that they were going to be open as usual from Saturday. No social distancing measures, tape, screens, nothing. Looks like that will bite him on the arse hard now.By all accounts the infected member of staff had symptoms but was still allowed to come to work and serve customers.
steveo3002 said:
is it just the uk work ethic ? if i had a buisness i would be open all hours trying hard to get things rolling and bring some cash in , like you i see lots of places still closed for no good reason
I'm getting very very pissed off with companies using this as an excuse for quite simply awful service. My latest example is a certain online car parts retailer - they would be selling the car parts 4less, if you get my drift. Ordered an AC condenser from them last Monday, paid for courier delivery as it was to be fitted Saturday. No problem so far. Luckily a couple of days later I spot an email in my junk folder - "we haven't got your condenser, 3-4 days delay". No use to me whatsoever as it will be too late for my long ago booked appointment with the very busy AC man.So I try to call them to cancel - phone queue is TWO HOURS due to CV19. Online chat wait TWO HOURS!
So I email them. No response. I email them again. No response.
Then at midnight on Saturday - item dispatched.
Yesterday more time trying the online contact form. Guess what. No response.
Then the courier arrived - refused delivery.
No idea what will happen now - they won't even deal with queries until an item is ten days late for example. All in all an appalling service and they're simply hiding behind CV19 as an excuse. Customer service staff aren't exactly in a high risk situation and they have had months to sort it out.
I do wonder is "s
t service" is what "new normal" really means.snuffy said:
don'tbesilly said:
I couldn't agree more, umpteen businesses up and down the country will have had customers visiting and shopping in them that had CV19.
Would you visit a business be it a shop or other business knowing you were possibly suffering from the symptoms of CV19 or you had tested positive for CV19?
The Govt advice for both the above are widely known and widely published.
Perhaps that's the problem, not only are people ignoring the known symptoms of the virus and carrying on as usual, despite the Govt advice, and worse still ignoring a positive test for CV19 and carrying on regardless, again ignoring Govt advice.
But you could visit the shop/pub/whatever without knowing you had CV19 and then develop symptoms a few days afterwards, have a test which then may be positive.Would you visit a business be it a shop or other business knowing you were possibly suffering from the symptoms of CV19 or you had tested positive for CV19?
The Govt advice for both the above are widely known and widely published.
Perhaps that's the problem, not only are people ignoring the known symptoms of the virus and carrying on as usual, despite the Govt advice, and worse still ignoring a positive test for CV19 and carrying on regardless, again ignoring Govt advice.
So you didn't know at the time you went, but you do now.
So in these 3 pubs cases, you could have gone to the pub on Saturday with no symptoms, then start to feel unwell on Sunday and have a test, get the results Monday, then inform the pub you had it, and now the pub is expected to close (or does it? That's a different matter/question).
There is no chance that you'd be displaying symptoms after Saturday, organise a test and have the results back by Monday.
It's not adding up.
JQ said:
don'tbesilly said:
I couldn't agree more, umpteen businesses up and down the country will have had customers visiting and shopping in them that had CV19.
Would you visit a business be it a shop or other business knowing you were possibly suffering from the symptoms of CV19 or you had tested positive for CV19?
Lots of people don't know they have it.Would you visit a business be it a shop or other business knowing you were possibly suffering from the symptoms of CV19 or you had tested positive for CV19?
don'tbesilly said:
The Govt advice for both the above are widely known and widely published.
Please could you state what that advice is? You seem to be intimating that if a shop has had a Covid + customer or worker that shop should shut, really? I'm not aware of a single shop that's closed for that reason. don'tbesilly said:
Perhaps that's the problem, not only are people ignoring the known symptoms of the virus and carrying on as usual, despite the Govt advice, and worse still ignoring a positive test for CV19 and carrying on regardless, again ignoring Govt advice.
The issue is that lots of people don't know they have it.Edited by JQ on Tuesday 7th July 09:34
Edited by JQ on Tuesday 7th July 09:35
Agreed, they don't know, however, I have quite clearly stated as an example that the people either had the symptoms or had tested positive for CV19.
Second point:
If you're showing symptoms of CV19, or tested positive for CV19 you should self-isolate, if your conditions deteriorate you should ring the NHS helpline.
I never stated nor intimated that shops/pubs/businesses should shut if a person who had CV19 visited said places not knowing that person had CV19, if the person in question informed said businesses that they did have CV19 that perhaps it should shut.
Third point:
Agreed, however, they may well have the symptoms of CV19, if they are asymptomatic there is little anyone can do about it, that would include any businesses the person visited
don'tbesilly said:
I never stated nor intimated that shops/pubs/businesses should shut if a person who had CV19 visited said places not knowing that person had CV19, if the person in question informed said businesses that they did have CV19 that perhaps it should shut.
Really?don'tbesilly said:
It would be wholly irresponsible on the part of the businesses involved to remain open when the positive result of a customer for CV19 has potentially exposed both their staff and clientele to the same virus.
I'd imagine a Tesco Superstore had a Covid + person in every single day over lockdown.don'tbesilly said:
snuffy said:
don'tbesilly said:
It would probably be best to direct one's ire at the irresponsible >insert appropriate descriptive word here< who had acted like a child who'd taken their revenge on the pub, or the irresponsible >insert appropriate descriptive word here< who having being told they had CV19 continued to carry on as though nothing had happened.
Knowingly exposed others? You mean they deliberately did so ?<snip>
Your post seems to suggest the person in question knew they had CV19?
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