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Stay in Bed Instead

22,362 posts

158 months

Friday 10th July 2020
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El stovey said:
Pretty annoying reading this as many people see their business suffer due to lockdowns designed to protect you and your generation.

The amount of people delayed cancer treatments and screening due to the nhs focusing on protecting the old, the amount of people being made redundant all over the country due to lockdowns and then reading that some of the people it’s all been for are actually completely ignoring any advice and boasting about it on the internet.
You should be blaming the government not the old.

The old did not ask for businesses to close, the old did not ask hospitals to stop treating cancer patients, the old did not ask the Government to piss billions up the wall.




John Locke

1,142 posts

53 months

Friday 10th July 2020
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nonsequitur said:
There is someone in our village just like John. Absolutely no compliance with any of the rules / laws. He has been called out on it several times but it has no effect.

Definitely the village idiot.
If he hasn't died, then perhaps you are the idiot for complying with nonsensical arbitrary laws.

JQ said:
John Locke said:
Maybe, maybe not; neither we, nor any other Nation can be certain how many were infected, and over what period. My guess is almost everybody, over the past year, but a guess is all it is.
Your guess is that we've all had it already?
Almost everybody; undoubtedly some have a natural immunity, just as we know that some have had it, but not suffered any symptoms.


El stovey said:
John Locke said:
Here's a 70 year old who ignored the first lockdown, and will ignore any subsequent one. Everyone I know in my age group, apart from the few about to drop for non-CV19 reasons, has the same attitude, the extremely vulnerable aside, it's only authoritarians, skivers, and idiots who have taken any notice of the government.

Older people have a greater chance of dying at any point than younger people, regardless of pandemics, real or imagined.
Pretty annoying reading this as many people see their business suffer due to lockdowns designed to protect you and your generation.

The amount of people delayed cancer treatments and screening due to the nhs focusing on protecting the old, the amount of people being made redundant all over the country due to lockdowns and then reading that some of the people it’s all been for are actually completely ignoring any advice and boasting about it on the internet.
Lockdown was a misguided and pointless operation, designed to pander to the great unwashed twitfacegrammers, it did not in the least focus on protecting the most vulnerable (which is why so many of them died), and as you rightly point out, we suffered negative effects on all other healthcare, the economy generally, and on the lives, careers, and legitimate plans of so many.


irc

7,340 posts

137 months

Friday 10th July 2020
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https://lockdownsceptics.org/

With Swedish ICU admissions and deaths approaching zero despite no lockdown there is a good argument that lockdown and the associated public fearmongering and subsequent economic catastrophe was the most expensive policy mistake in UK history.

All we had to do was isolate the elderly and vulnerable and do the social distancing handwashing etc.

popeyewhite

19,962 posts

121 months

Friday 10th July 2020
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El stovey said:
John Locke said:
Here's a 70 year old who ignored the first lockdown, and will ignore any subsequent one. Everyone I know in my age group, apart from the few about to drop for non-CV19 reasons, has the same attitude, the extremely vulnerable aside, it's only authoritarians, skivers, and idiots who have taken any notice of the government.

Older people have a greater chance of dying at any point than younger people, regardless of pandemics, real or imagined.
Pretty annoying reading this as many people see their business suffer due to lockdowns designed to protect you and your generation.

The amount of people delayed cancer treatments and screening due to the nhs focusing on protecting the old, the amount of people being made redundant all over the country due to lockdowns and then reading that some of the people it’s all been for are actually completely ignoring any advice and boasting about it on the internet.
As someone who has, hopefully temporarily, lost both my jobs and currently undergoing (suspended) cancer checkups I feel somewhat qualified to address your comment ES. Older people are not animals to be herded. He's not boasting, he's giving his opinion, and it's just as valid as yours. There is no one really to blame for this mess (Public Health England?) and any irritation aimed at the older generation for not behaving like sheep is in my view entirely misplaced.

chrispmartha

15,501 posts

130 months

Friday 10th July 2020
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popeyewhite said:
El stovey said:
John Locke said:
Here's a 70 year old who ignored the first lockdown, and will ignore any subsequent one. Everyone I know in my age group, apart from the few about to drop for non-CV19 reasons, has the same attitude, the extremely vulnerable aside, it's only authoritarians, skivers, and idiots who have taken any notice of the government.

Older people have a greater chance of dying at any point than younger people, regardless of pandemics, real or imagined.
Pretty annoying reading this as many people see their business suffer due to lockdowns designed to protect you and your generation.

The amount of people delayed cancer treatments and screening due to the nhs focusing on protecting the old, the amount of people being made redundant all over the country due to lockdowns and then reading that some of the people it’s all been for are actually completely ignoring any advice and boasting about it on the internet.
As someone who has, hopefully temporarily, lost both my jobs and currently undergoing (suspended) cancer checkups I feel somewhat qualified to address your comment ES. Older people are not animals to be herded. He's not boasting, he's giving his opinion, and it's just as valid as yours. There is no one really to blame for this mess (Public Health England?) and any irritation aimed at the older generation for not behaving like sheep is in my view entirely misplaced.
Yes he’s giving his opinion, but comes across as a bit of a loud mouth and selfish.

Condi

17,234 posts

172 months

Friday 10th July 2020
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irc said:




https://lockdownsceptics.org/

With Swedish ICU admissions and deaths approaching zero despite no lockdown there is a good argument that lockdown and the associated public fearmongering and subsequent economic catastrophe was the most expensive policy mistake in UK history.

All we had to do was isolate the elderly and vulnerable and do the social distancing handwashing etc.
Its hardly an unbiased resource, but interesting non the less.

America is adding to the data set too, and it will be equally interesting to see how that plays out. Yes, many people are being infected at the moment, but if those infections do not equate to more deaths then maybe it isn't as bad as expected.

popeyewhite

19,962 posts

121 months

Friday 10th July 2020
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chrispmartha said:
popeyewhite said:
El stovey said:
John Locke said:
Here's a 70 year old who ignored the first lockdown, and will ignore any subsequent one. Everyone I know in my age group, apart from the few about to drop for non-CV19 reasons, has the same attitude, the extremely vulnerable aside, it's only authoritarians, skivers, and idiots who have taken any notice of the government.

Older people have a greater chance of dying at any point than younger people, regardless of pandemics, real or imagined.
Pretty annoying reading this as many people see their business suffer due to lockdowns designed to protect you and your generation.

The amount of people delayed cancer treatments and screening due to the nhs focusing on protecting the old, the amount of people being made redundant all over the country due to lockdowns and then reading that some of the people it’s all been for are actually completely ignoring any advice and boasting about it on the internet.
As someone who has, hopefully temporarily, lost both my jobs and currently undergoing (suspended) cancer checkups I feel somewhat qualified to address your comment ES. Older people are not animals to be herded. He's not boasting, he's giving his opinion, and it's just as valid as yours. There is no one really to blame for this mess (Public Health England?) and any irritation aimed at the older generation for not behaving like sheep is in my view entirely misplaced.
Yes he’s giving his opinion, but comes across as a bit of a loud mouth and selfish.
He says "Everyone I know in my age group, apart from the few about to drop for non-CV19 reasons, has the same attitude except for etc etc"
Surely you're not suggesting everyone in his age group is selfish?



chrispmartha

15,501 posts

130 months

Friday 10th July 2020
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popeyewhite said:
chrispmartha said:
popeyewhite said:
El stovey said:
John Locke said:
Here's a 70 year old who ignored the first lockdown, and will ignore any subsequent one. Everyone I know in my age group, apart from the few about to drop for non-CV19 reasons, has the same attitude, the extremely vulnerable aside, it's only authoritarians, skivers, and idiots who have taken any notice of the government.

Older people have a greater chance of dying at any point than younger people, regardless of pandemics, real or imagined.
Pretty annoying reading this as many people see their business suffer due to lockdowns designed to protect you and your generation.

The amount of people delayed cancer treatments and screening due to the nhs focusing on protecting the old, the amount of people being made redundant all over the country due to lockdowns and then reading that some of the people it’s all been for are actually completely ignoring any advice and boasting about it on the internet.
As someone who has, hopefully temporarily, lost both my jobs and currently undergoing (suspended) cancer checkups I feel somewhat qualified to address your comment ES. Older people are not animals to be herded. He's not boasting, he's giving his opinion, and it's just as valid as yours. There is no one really to blame for this mess (Public Health England?) and any irritation aimed at the older generation for not behaving like sheep is in my view entirely misplaced.
Yes he’s giving his opinion, but comes across as a bit of a loud mouth and selfish.
He says "Everyone I know in my age group, apart from the few about to drop for non-CV19 reasons, has the same attitude except for etc etc"
Surely you're not suggesting everyone in his age group is selfish?
No and neither is he (read what he wrote) only the ones he knows, but a doubt that’s true anyway.

But if it is true, If they have the same attitude as him, yes they are selfish.

John Locke

1,142 posts

53 months

Friday 10th July 2020
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nonsequitur said:
If he hasn't died, then perhaps you are the idiot for complying with nonsensical arbitrary laws.



Not yet, but we live in hope.hehe
If I was such a vagina as some here, I'd report that post for wishing someone dead, but I'm not, so I won't.

chrispmartha

15,501 posts

130 months

Friday 10th July 2020
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John Locke said:
nonsequitur said:
If he hasn't died, then perhaps you are the idiot for complying with nonsensical arbitrary laws.



Not yet, but we live in hope.hehe
If I was such a vagina as some here
Oh there’s definitely a few slang words that mean the same thing that you’re coming across as.

;-)

snuffy

9,802 posts

285 months

Friday 10th July 2020
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No 10 considering mandatory face masks in shops in England:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53365062

That's the high street dead then.


popeyewhite

19,962 posts

121 months

Friday 10th July 2020
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chrispmartha said:
No
Thanks for clearing that up.

chrispmartha said:
and neither is he
I know, that's the point.:





Robertj21a

16,478 posts

106 months

Friday 10th July 2020
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snuffy said:
No 10 considering mandatory face masks in shops in England:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53365062

That's the high street dead then.
Hasn't Scotland done that already ? - no big deal really.

chrispmartha

15,501 posts

130 months

Friday 10th July 2020
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popeyewhite said:
chrispmartha said:
No
Thanks for clearing that up.

chrispmartha said:
and neither is he
I know, that's the point.:
What’s the point?

Crippo

1,187 posts

221 months

Friday 10th July 2020
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snuffy said:
No 10 considering mandatory face masks in shops in England:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53365062

That's the high street dead then.
Im not going to wear a face mask. I sell to shops, I have seen plenty of customers over the last month, only one person has worn a mask. He was Shielding. It’s his choice and I respect that. But I’m not prepared to wear a mask. It’s simply not right, it’s not my culture, I want to see people properly that’s why I go and visit them rather than selling over the phone or email. My job is about Human relationships and interactions. If we succumb to mask wearing then it’ll embed in our society and will become ubiquitous as it is in The Far East. I feel it will be the thin edge of the wedge. Many people have discussed their fear that the hand shake will never return. Already they feel that shaking hands is dirty and that we may never regain its regular use. Society is changing, it takes 2 weeks to form a habit.....this is why I will not wear a mask.

Alucidnation

16,810 posts

171 months

Friday 10th July 2020
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Just driven along part of the A31 and although busy, it certainly isn't anywhere near pre-cv19 levels for the this time of day.

Shnozz

27,502 posts

272 months

Friday 10th July 2020
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Robertj21a said:
snuffy said:
No 10 considering mandatory face masks in shops in England:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53365062

That's the high street dead then.
Hasn't Scotland done that already ? - no big deal really.
I’m in Spain and face masks are in force in shops. You soon adapt and it’s really not that much of an issue.

Condi

17,234 posts

172 months

Friday 10th July 2020
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Shnozz said:
I’m in Spain and face masks are in force in shops. You soon adapt and it’s really not that much of an issue.
Same in Portugal. They're annoying, but not the end of the world.


PositronicRay

27,048 posts

184 months

Friday 10th July 2020
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Crippo said:
snuffy said:
No 10 considering mandatory face masks in shops in England:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53365062

That's the high street dead then.
Im not going to wear a face mask. I sell to shops, I have seen plenty of customers over the last month, only one person has worn a mask. He was Shielding. It’s his choice and I respect that. But I’m not prepared to wear a mask. It’s simply not right, it’s not my culture, I want to see people properly that’s why I go and visit them rather than selling over the phone or email. My job is about Human relationships and interactions. If we succumb to mask wearing then it’ll embed in our society and will become ubiquitous as it is in The Far East. I feel it will be the thin edge of the wedge. Many people have discussed their fear that the hand shake will never return. Already they feel that shaking hands is dirty and that we may never regain its regular use. Society is changing, it takes 2 weeks to form a habit.....this is why I will not wear a mask.
So if they do become mandatory, are you just going to fold and give up?

Dromedary66

1,924 posts

139 months

Friday 10th July 2020
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Crippo said:
Im not going to wear a face mask. I sell to shops, I have seen plenty of customers over the last month, only one person has worn a mask. He was Shielding. It’s his choice and I respect that. But I’m not prepared to wear a mask. It’s simply not right, it’s not my culture, I want to see people properly that’s why I go and visit them rather than selling over the phone or email. My job is about Human relationships and interactions. If we succumb to mask wearing then it’ll embed in our society and will become ubiquitous as it is in The Far East. I feel it will be the thin edge of the wedge. Many people have discussed their fear that the hand shake will never return. Already they feel that shaking hands is dirty and that we may never regain its regular use. Society is changing, it takes 2 weeks to form a habit.....this is why I will not wear a mask.
Then diddums will not be able to earn any money.
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