Lockdown Imminent
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1974nc said:
Trouble is how many more things then become ‘no biggie’
Removal of cash from society, no biggie, it’s easier isn’t it? What could possibly go wrong..
Closure of most of the high street and pubs / restaurants? No biggie, I can shop online and make cheaper food at home so it saves money..
All these things are freedoms and slowly but surely being removed from you one by one under the guise of safety.
Still it’s no biggie
Exactly. If Boris caves in to the angry karens and face masks for all proponents on here then the high street and socializing as we used to know it will be finished for good. But it's no biggie. Who needs social interaction anyway? Reality reality is way over rated. Surely virtual reality is good enough we can all sit at home for 7 days a week watching Netflix and ordering crap from China via Amazon?Removal of cash from society, no biggie, it’s easier isn’t it? What could possibly go wrong..
Closure of most of the high street and pubs / restaurants? No biggie, I can shop online and make cheaper food at home so it saves money..
All these things are freedoms and slowly but surely being removed from you one by one under the guise of safety.
Still it’s no biggie
Their types are never happy. They love to keep telling people what to do. If we were all forced to go out in public wearing a WW1 gas mask, a pair of rubber gloves suitable for disposing bodies in acid, and a heavy duty pair of wellington boots, it still won't be good enough for them. But its no biggie.
CAPP0 said:
Those of you who don't/won't wear a mask if in public, I'm genuinely interested to know why not, what drives your position on this?
I must say, currently, on the few occasions I've been in shops etc, there are an absolute minority of people using them.
I don’t wear one because there is no reason to do so. Its clear the majority do not want to wear them. There is nothing stopping them now, but they choose not to.I must say, currently, on the few occasions I've been in shops etc, there are an absolute minority of people using them.
If they were to be made compulsory I would reluctantly comply. However I would see it as an insult from a Govt that has already caused terrible damage to the country through its mismanagement of this crisis. For me it is a direct attack on my person presenting a far greater intrusion than any of the previous restrictions.
The worst aspect though is that it would be an admission and acceptance that the ‘new normal’ is our collective future. That we are not going to find the courage to follow the mature democratic example displayed by Sweden, but are instead going to throw away our history and values due to fear.
I see the government are wanting to tell employers to order their staff back to the office. Even where productivity hasn't declined because they need us back in city centers wasting our money on overpriced sandwiches whilst generating a load of excess air pollution by driving there.
They can f
k off quite frankly.
They can f
k off quite frankly. scottyp123 said:
Because ........ I don't believe I have any chance of catching it what so ever let alone dying from it.
What's your basis for that? Again I'm asking out of interest, I'm not after a ruck. If you're not living as a hermit I can't see how that works, you don't know who you're standing next to.scottyp123 said:
I do actually think I might have already had it in May so therefore I'm fully immune from both catching it again and passing it on.
I had no idea that if you've had it, you can't subsequently carry it or infect other people? mx5nut said:
CAPP0 said:
Those of you who don't/won't wear a mask if in public, I'm genuinely interested to know why not, what drives your position on this?
I must say, currently, on the few occasions I've been in shops etc, there are an absolute minority of people using them.
Most people are indifferent. They'll do it if they're forced, they won't bother if they're not. "It won't happen to me" mentality.I must say, currently, on the few occasions I've been in shops etc, there are an absolute minority of people using them.
For the hardcore anti mask wearers, it's all social media driven. They've been convinced that it's an attack on their political beliefs.
CAPP0 said:
Those of you who don't/won't wear a mask if in public, I'm genuinely interested to know why not, what drives your position on this?
I must say, currently, on the few occasions I've been in shops etc, there are an absolute minority of people using them.
Because it looks like it is going to be imposed based on little more than a hunch on the part of the politicians. The evidence for 'face coverings' being actually useful in providing a meaningful reduction in transmission is rather ambiguous. if it was all that important how did we ever manage to bring down transmission in late march/April relatively quickly (especially given all the outrage about crowded public transport in London at rush hour given the lack of services running at the time)? The scandinavians have been far more sensible about the whole mask nonsense and surprise surprise, have kept cases under control like any of the east asian countries where mask wearing is mandatory. I must say, currently, on the few occasions I've been in shops etc, there are an absolute minority of people using them.
And given mask wearing might be imposed based on not much evidence how is it ever going to be justified to be able to remove the mandatory mask order? Are we going to be required to wear them forever?
Edited by isaldiri on Friday 10th July 22:44
citizensm1th said:
Kermit power said:
It's not an issue to me at all, as I'll just do 100% of my shopping online. I suspect it might be rather more of an issue for the physical shops that I'll no longer use?
I had to wear one this week to take my daughter to a doctor's appointment, and a horrible experience it was too!
I won't refuse to wear one where it's mandatory, but I will simply not go anywhere that it is mandatory unless there is absolutely no alternative.
If they're made mandatory in shops, I'd rather shop online. Mandatory in cinemas? I'll wait for it to come out on TV...
then the mandatory rule will have done its job as you will effectively be self isolating while those who will wear them will continue with their lives.I had to wear one this week to take my daughter to a doctor's appointment, and a horrible experience it was too!
I won't refuse to wear one where it's mandatory, but I will simply not go anywhere that it is mandatory unless there is absolutely no alternative.
If they're made mandatory in shops, I'd rather shop online. Mandatory in cinemas? I'll wait for it to come out on TV...
win win .
those who refuse to wear them and still go out will find themselves being shunned by the very establishments they are going out to visit.
mx5nut said:
scottyp123 said:
I do actually think I might have already had it in May so therefore I'm fully immune from both catching it again and passing it on. I also think that even if I'm totally wrong about everything I don't particularly care if I do catch it or indeed pass it on to someone else.
This selfish attitude towards others when you trust people to "use common sense" and do the right thing is why we'll see them being mandatory soon."I'm alright, Jack" isn't good enough during a pandemic.
I think I have said this before though, you can spend your whole life thinking of nothing else apart from putting other people first and everyone else thinks along the same lines, wouldn't it be much simpler if everyone just thought about themselves.
mx5nut said:
Most people are indifferent. They'll do it if they're forced, they won't bother if they're not. "It won't happen to me" mentality.
For the hardcore anti mask wearers, it's all social media driven. They've been convinced that it's an attack on their political beliefs.
I think that they think it is an affront to their freedoms rather than any political belief.For the hardcore anti mask wearers, it's all social media driven. They've been convinced that it's an attack on their political beliefs.
never mind that they sacrificed some of their freedoms way before this current situation by dint of wanting to be part of a society that works by people co-operating and compromising for the common good.
if they were that keen on being free they would all have f
ked off far away from anyone else long before now so that they did not have to accommodate other peoples concerns.Quite happy to reap the benefits of society when it is all going fine yet as soon as society asks them to to make a tiny little sacrifice for the benefit of society as a whole they whine and bleat like a three year old who had their ice cream stolen by a seagull.
selfish
s the lot of them. mx5nut said:
Elysium said:
You may think you understand this but you actually have no idea. Its not about politics or social media. It is about morality and values.
It's a bit of fabric over your mouth and nose, mate. Get a grip!Elysium said:
No, not at all. They don’t limit social interaction.
Neither does a facemask at least not in any absolutely vital way. They want you to wear it in shops. Hopefully just for a limited period of time. I'd agree that wearing one in pubs and restaurants is just a non starter, which then calls into question why you'd wear on in a shop but not in pubs etc.
I just don't see it as massive problem, at least not in shops. If you had to wear them in restaurants you won't find me in a restaurant. But then I don't think you'll find me in a restaurant anyway.
isaldiri said:
And given mask wearing might be imposed based on not much evidence how is it ever going to be justified to be able to remove the mandatory mask order? Are we going to be required to wear them forever?
I was thinking exactly the same. We are not a face mask wearing nation and I do not want us to become one. These things have a habit of sticking. What are the chances of this bullst legislation being repealed in the future?CAPP0 said:
scottyp123 said:
Because ........ I don't believe I have any chance of catching it what so ever let alone dying from it.
What's your basis for that? Again I'm asking out of interest, I'm not after a ruck. If you're not living as a hermit I can't see how that works, you don't know who you're standing next to.scottyp123 said:
I do actually think I might have already had it in May so therefore I'm fully immune from both catching it again and passing it on.
I had no idea that if you've had it, you can't subsequently carry it or infect other people?As for the second question, antibodies are designed to kill not lose the battle so once you have had it your body knows all about it and will see it off in no time at all the second time around. Viruses can only ever pray on a weakened structure, just like all parasites.
El stovey said:
Well that's rubbish. They clearly asked the wrong question!
If they'd asked people in the UK if they'd worn a mask actually over their nose and mouth in accordance with the manufacturers' instructions, the answer would've been a fraction of that!
Any time I go out, I see more people wearing them round their necks or just over their mouths because they're so horrible to wear.
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