Lockdown Imminent
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Barchettaman said:
Mask-wearing in shops has been mandatory here in DE for weeks. You get used to it very quickly; it’s really no hardship and I have heard/read it is vastly preferred by retail workers when customers wear them.
It’s really no ‘biggie’.
Sounds okay to me, but maybe not to this guy that I’ve quoted from a U.S. forum, a regular tin foil hat wearer.It’s really no ‘biggie’.
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1. What are all the "lies about Covid"?
2. Where do you get information about this disease?
3. Why do you believe cloth masks and social distancing are ineffective?
4. Finally, what are your plans to deal with Covid?
1. That Covid is a health emergency and not just a strong flu.
2. They declared this sham a pandemic. The whole framework was predicated on millions of people being dead. Surely you remember this. It never happened. You acknowledge this, yes? There are NOT millions of people dead in this country. It's well known and all over the place that they are paying hospitals to diagnose Covid patients between 15-50k a pop. What could go wrong there? It's well known that that President of Tanzania tested animals and inanimate objects for Covid and the tests came up positive. I'm sure that you know this, too. Links and nitting it up are not necessary. We all know that people all around us are NOT dying. It ain't happening.
3.. When was the last time that you saw someone wearing a cloth mask during flu season? When was the last time that you saw someone standing 6 feet away from anyone during flu season? How did they immediately come up with the phrase 'social distancing'? Why would you assume this to be a good thing?
4. My plan is to do the same thing that we do during flu season. Absolutely nothing. At this point I would also cut taxes as the taxpayer has been screwed out of services that they pay for 6+ months.
Jamescrs said:
Frank7 said:
That’s your conclusion, as you obviously are against wearing a mask, and because you don’t want to wear one, you extrapolate the situation to one of devastation and doom for the High Street.
News flash! Not everyone shares your outlook.
I’m not a lover of masks, I feel like a lost bank robber when I wear one, but if I feel like buying a new shirt, I’ll put the mask on, stroll into Selfridges, take the escalator to the 2nd or 3rd. floor, choose a shirt, then go down to the ground floor, buy a sourdough loaf, and go home to enjoy my purchases.
Neither Oxford Street, nor More London SE1 will go to the wall while I’ve got a debit card in my wallet.
You must be absolutely minted to be able to say Oxford Street will keep going on your spending habits alone! Fair play to you! News flash! Not everyone shares your outlook.
I’m not a lover of masks, I feel like a lost bank robber when I wear one, but if I feel like buying a new shirt, I’ll put the mask on, stroll into Selfridges, take the escalator to the 2nd or 3rd. floor, choose a shirt, then go down to the ground floor, buy a sourdough loaf, and go home to enjoy my purchases.
Neither Oxford Street, nor More London SE1 will go to the wall while I’ve got a debit card in my wallet.
I don’t do so bad for a pensioner, but I’m not minted, and I won’t keep all of Oxford Street solvent.
I was just trying to say that having to wear a mask won’t stop me from going into shops.
jagnet said:
1974nc said:
As an aside, if mask wearing becomes compulsory in all social settings as per Balearics this week has anyone tried wearing a mask for prolonged periods?
Yes. Face coverings have been mandated here since mid March, although they were commonplace well before that as people took personal responsibility to minimise transmission rather than wait for government instruction. People just got on with it. There was no complaining about civil liberties, claustrophobia, difficulties holding conversations, worries over training, etc. If any society is going to be tuned into impositions on liberty it's going to be one with recent experience of the worst that authoritarian regimes have to offer, but not a murmur.There have been so few cases and so few deaths from covid here that the biggest issue now is complacency as four months on very very few people even know anyone that's had covid let alone died from it. One of the more popular conspiracy theories is that covid-19 doesn't exist. Everything is open including mass events but complacency means that mask use is starting to wane.
A cloth mask is not uncomfortable when worn for long periods. There's no oxygen deprivation. Most people won't need to wear the mask for long anyway. Put it on when you're inside and can't distance, take it off when you leave. If you choose to go full on FFP3 mask and subsequently find it uncomfortable, well then you've only got yourself to blame.
I find it strange that in the UK people were fine with being told not to leave their houses unless it was essential, the forced closure of businesses, travel restrictions, being barred from parks and open spaces, police making up their own rules, a third of the working population being paid to sit at home, etc but ask them to pop a face covering on and suddenly everyone's a libertarian. I'd prefer not to wear a mask but if it means that everything else returns to normal that much sooner then it seems to be a very small personal sacrifice.
Imho it was nuts that the UK waited so long to consider their use and even promoted the idea that they achieved nothing and could increase risk of transmission. Hard to do a complete volte-face on that and then expect people to pay heed to it.
For those questioning their efficacy, again I point out that a multivariate analysis of over 190 countries found that duration of mask-wearing by the public was negatively associated with mortality (p<0.001). But then it could just be chance. A 0.1% chance but a chance nonetheless.
As for why people in the UK were so much more accepting of more draconian measures early on and less of this now, I suspect it's simply because early on, people believed it was necessary, whereas now almost everyone believes it was a huge overreaction.
Wholly against compulsory mask wearing and the media stories over the last day seemed to be getting us warmed up for this. I'm fingers crossed it is a 'scare story' in order to nudge more people to wear them.
If they are made compulsory, I will reluctantly wear one for essential food shopping but won't be heading out otherwise to shop.
It's ridiculous that even at the height of the pandemic I could wander around tesco without one. Where is the evidence of major transmission risk in shops?
If they are made compulsory, I will reluctantly wear one for essential food shopping but won't be heading out otherwise to shop.
It's ridiculous that even at the height of the pandemic I could wander around tesco without one. Where is the evidence of major transmission risk in shops?
scorp said:
Elysium said:
scorp said:
Stay in Bed Instead said:
sambucket said:
Doesn't seem to be a problem for approx half the world. I
The average lemming would no doubt agree with you.There is a strong correlation between the timing of outbreaks and lattitude.
Leicester Loyal said:
Word here is that our local lockdown will be extended next weekend, great!
It was always very unlikely that it would come out of lockdown after just 2-3 weeks when even the new figures are still very high. I've yet to hear precisely WHY Leicester has got such high figures. The only comment has been about a few factories, but the figures suggest it must be something more widespread.Welshbeef said:
Do you have a link to that?
I bought the disposable ones and much prefer the look and reusable aspect of these. Thanks
They have them in plain black (cierna) or white (biela) for 3.75€ (plus a variety of other designs) at https://pekneruska.sk/produkt/1-dizajnove-ochranne...I bought the disposable ones and much prefer the look and reusable aspect of these. Thanks
They also do some sensibly priced hand sanitiser.
They deliver to the UK, for 9.99€ I think.
I've found them to be very comfortable and they don't suffer the problem of trying to ride up over your chin when talking.
Robertj21a said:
It was always very unlikely that it would come out of lockdown after just 2-3 weeks when even the new figures are still very high. I've yet to hear precisely WHY Leicester has got such high figures. The only comment has been about a few factories, but the figures suggest it must be something more widespread.
I believe the PHE report couldn't identify an outbreak as such and that one of the conclusions to their report was that the surge of cases may have been down to the additional testing put in place just prior to the call to lockdown.Robertj21a said:
Leicester Loyal said:
Word here is that our local lockdown will be extended next weekend, great!
It was always very unlikely that it would come out of lockdown after just 2-3 weeks when even the new figures are still very high. I've yet to hear precisely WHY Leicester has got such high figures. The only comment has been about a few factories, but the figures suggest it must be something more widespread.smashing said:
Robertj21a said:
It was always very unlikely that it would come out of lockdown after just 2-3 weeks when even the new figures are still very high. I've yet to hear precisely WHY Leicester has got such high figures. The only comment has been about a few factories, but the figures suggest it must be something more widespread.
I believe the PHE report couldn't identify an outbreak as such and that one of the conclusions to their report was that the surge of cases may have been down to the additional testing put in place just prior to the call to lockdown.Robertj21a said:
It was always very unlikely that it would come out of lockdown after just 2-3 weeks when even the new figures are still very high. I've yet to hear precisely WHY Leicester has got such high figures. The only comment has been about a few factories, but the figures suggest it must be something more widespread.
We haven't actually been told either, it's all hush hush.We were told we were carrying out more tests than everyone else, but I don't know how true that is.
They're having to put police officers in certain areas on the parks and recreational areas because certain people still aren't following the rules, it's mad.
Robertj21a said:
It was always very unlikely that it would come out of lockdown after just 2-3 weeks when even the new figures are still very high. I've yet to hear precisely WHY Leicester has got such high figures. The only comment has been about a few factories, but the figures suggest it must be something more widespread.
I don't think it's anything unknown.Poverty, lots of factory environments with dubious working practises, lots of multi-generational living, lots of ethnicities and apparently some challenges with language, no doubt some people blatantly disregarding guidelines too.
Perfect storm.
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hstewie said:
hstewie said:Robertj21a said:
It was always very unlikely that it would come out of lockdown after just 2-3 weeks when even the new figures are still very high. I've yet to hear precisely WHY Leicester has got such high figures. The only comment has been about a few factories, but the figures suggest it must be something more widespread.
I don't think it's anything unknown.Poverty, lots of factory environments with dubious working practises, lots of multi-generational living, lots of ethnicities and apparently some challenges with language, no doubt some people blatantly disregarding guidelines too.
Perfect storm.
However, it doesn't explain why Leicester rather than, say, Bradford, Rochdale, Wolverhampton, Luton etc etc
Due to my work drying up over night, I’ve spent the last two months in a temporary delivery drivers role at my local B&Q. I’ve just walked through the store and hardly anybody is wearing face masks, staff included. Same can be said for the rest of the retail park we are on.
Purely anecdotal and not necessarily representative of the rest of the country, obviously.
Compulsory wearing of face masks is likely to result in less people going to the shops, opting instead to have things delivered.
Personally, I can’t see the point in wearing them. A few of the people I do encounter aren’t wearing them correctly or pull them down to talk.
If I farted you’d smell it, face mask or not.
The bulk of what I need is purchased online and delivered to my home, I don’t do public transport and tomorrow is my last day at B&Q and I will be working from home for the forseeable so forced mask wearing will have little impact on me.
One thing this whole episode has taught me is that I’ve been social distancing since I was about 11.
Purely anecdotal and not necessarily representative of the rest of the country, obviously.
Compulsory wearing of face masks is likely to result in less people going to the shops, opting instead to have things delivered.
Personally, I can’t see the point in wearing them. A few of the people I do encounter aren’t wearing them correctly or pull them down to talk.
If I farted you’d smell it, face mask or not.
The bulk of what I need is purchased online and delivered to my home, I don’t do public transport and tomorrow is my last day at B&Q and I will be working from home for the forseeable so forced mask wearing will have little impact on me.
One thing this whole episode has taught me is that I’ve been social distancing since I was about 11.
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