Lockdown Imminent

[Red 4]

survivalist said:

Red 4 said:

Tickle said:

red_slr said:

Lancs to go into level 3 lock down.

However, they are making up the rules as they go so gyms and hairdressers can remain open. Some other caveats.

Its bonkers that its going to be negotiated for each area how can that be scientific? Is a gym in Liverpool more risky than a Gym in Preston?

I believe the gym closures was a decision made by Liverpool City Region, not central government.

Incorrect.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-new...

Correct according to this, which has been my understanding all along. Good to see the simplification brought about by the new 3 Tier System

https://news.sky.com/story/how-does-the-three-tier...

Thanks for the link. As I understand it the circus master is central govt though. They have the final say.

Local politicians can have input (from what has been reported this is largely ignored) but the legislation is enforced via the rules laid down by central govt. Eg the fine handed out via FPN to the gym owner on Merseyside.

[survivalist]

Red 4 said:

survivalist said:

Red 4 said:

Tickle said:

red_slr said:

Lancs to go into level 3 lock down.

However, they are making up the rules as they go so gyms and hairdressers can remain open. Some other caveats.

Its bonkers that its going to be negotiated for each area how can that be scientific? Is a gym in Liverpool more risky than a Gym in Preston?

I believe the gym closures was a decision made by Liverpool City Region, not central government.

Incorrect.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-new...

Correct according to this, which has been my understanding all along. Good to see the simplification brought about by the new 3 Tier System

https://news.sky.com/story/how-does-the-three-tier...

Thanks for the link. As I understand it the circus master is central govt though. They have the final say.

Local politicians can have input (from what has been reported this is largely ignored) but the legislation is enforced via the rules laid down by central govt. Eg the fine handed out via FPN to the gym owner on Merseyside.

As a bit of a cynic, it seems to me that it's just part of the negotiation when local government agree their support package. Joe Anderson may well have told them that gyms were safer than supermarkets, but ultimately agreed the overall package. I think it's an insane system where local government negotiate for funds in return for locking down, massive conflict of interest given how local government are currently strapped for cash.

[leef44]

R Mutt said:

BlackLabel said:

“ Coronavirus: 'Circuit-breaker' should take place during every school holiday, scientists say”

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-circuit-bre...

What happens to the virus during these periods?

The virus is on half-term break also

[FiF]

Just in case people have not seen this list

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...

and the main page for other info

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/npis-ta...

[popeyewhite]

red_slr said:

Lancs to go into level 3 lock down.

However, they are making up the rules as they go so gyms and hairdressers can remain open. Some other caveats.

Its bonkers that its going to be negotiated for each area how can that be scientific? Is a gym in Liverpool more risky than a Gym in Preston?

Probably not.
"New research shows gyms in England are successfully controlling COVID-19"

https://www.leisureopportunities.co.uk/news/COVID-...

[R Mutt]

popeyewhite said:

red_slr said:

Lancs to go into level 3 lock down.

However, they are making up the rules as they go so gyms and hairdressers can remain open. Some other caveats.

Its bonkers that its going to be negotiated for each area how can that be scientific? Is a gym in Liverpool more risky than a Gym in Preston?

Probably not.
"New research shows gyms in England are successfully controlling COVID-19"

https://www.leisureopportunities.co.uk/news/COVID-...

funnily enough I just got this mail from my gym

"The UK fitness industry as a whole has been sharing data on gym visits and reported incidences of COVID since the end of lockdown. There have been 34 million visits to health and fitness clubs across the country in this time and only 245 known cases amongst members or staff. This data shows that the rate of COVID incidence is around 50 times lower amongst gym-goers than amongst the population as a whole"

[Jinx]

popeyewhite said:

Probably not.
"New research shows gyms in England are successfully controlling COVID-19"

https://www.leisureopportunities.co.uk/news/COVID-...

Erm infection rates were measured from 25 July to 16 August. I really wish short term studies were ignored routinely rather than put all over the media.
What are the current numbers after schools went back?

[popeyewhite]

Jinx said:

Erm infection rates were measured from 25 July to 16 August.

Not ideal, but a short study that "supports a growing evidence base from across the globe". Sample of over 8 million.

Jinx said:

I really wish short term studies were ignored routinely rather than put all over the media.

Makes you wonder why researchers bother with them if someone on PH reckons they're pointless.

Jinx said:

What are the current numbers after schools went back?

Is that rhetorical? If not then your guess is as good as mine. Purely from recent experience school pupil attendance at the three gyms I frequent has dropped right off.

[sim72]

leef44 said:

R Mutt said:

BlackLabel said:

“ Coronavirus: 'Circuit-breaker' should take place during every school holiday, scientists say”

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-circuit-bre...

What happens to the virus during these periods?

The virus is on half-term break also

Well, half-term is only a week, thus making a circuit breaker pointless, and the next two-week holiday is Christmas, which I suspect wouldn't be popular ...

[essayer]

School have sent home some additional workbooks ‘just in case’. They did the same one week ahead of the March lockdown and we’re not in a tiered area. Starting to wonder if they have inside info..

[sim72]

Jinx said:

popeyewhite said:

Probably not.
"New research shows gyms in England are successfully controlling COVID-19"

https://www.leisureopportunities.co.uk/news/COVID-...

Erm infection rates were measured from 25 July to 16 August. I really wish short term studies were ignored routinely rather than put all over the media.
What are the current numbers after schools went back?

ARI outbreaks involving COVID, Week 42 (5-11 October)

Schools and colleges 279
Care Homes 214
Workplaces excluding hospitality 178
"Other" 111
Hospitals 52
Pubs, restaurants and food 29
Prisons 6

[sim72]

essayer said:

School have sent home some additional workbooks ‘just in case’. They did the same one week ahead of the March lockdown and we’re not in a tiered area. Starting to wonder if they have inside info..

All schools were advised to do this (or to do so for any student that may struggle to access online lessons) at the start of the term.

[FiF]

sim72 said:

Jinx said:

popeyewhite said:

Probably not.
"New research shows gyms in England are successfully controlling COVID-19"

https://www.leisureopportunities.co.uk/news/COVID-...

Erm infection rates were measured from 25 July to 16 August. I really wish short term studies were ignored routinely rather than put all over the media.
What are the current numbers after schools went back?

ARI outbreaks involving COVID, Week 42 (5-11 October)

Schools and colleges 279
Care Homes 214
Workplaces excluding hospitality 178
"Other" 111
Hospitals 52
Pubs, restaurants and food 29
Prisons 6

Well judging by the Urban Fitness place I walked by the other night, if they're controlling Covid-19 then God only knows how. Heaving. No attempt at anything like SD, indoors, outside, in the car park, nearest open space, hordes of the buggers, usually in groups >6. Shrug.

[anonymous-user]

sim72 said:

ARI outbreaks involving COVID, Week 42 (5-11 October)

Schools and colleges 279
Care Homes 214
Workplaces excluding hospitality 178
"Other" 111
Hospitals 52
Pubs, restaurants and food 29
Prisons 6

Is that about 3% in hospitality?

[mondeoman]

FiF said:

sim72 said:

Jinx said:

popeyewhite said:

Probably not.
"New research shows gyms in England are successfully controlling COVID-19"

https://www.leisureopportunities.co.uk/news/COVID-...

Erm infection rates were measured from 25 July to 16 August. I really wish short term studies were ignored routinely rather than put all over the media.
What are the current numbers after schools went back?

ARI outbreaks involving COVID, Week 42 (5-11 October)

Schools and colleges 279
Care Homes 214
Workplaces excluding hospitality 178
"Other" 111
Hospitals 52
Pubs, restaurants and food 29
Prisons 6

Well judging by the Urban Fitness place I walked by the other night, if they're controlling Covid-19 then God only knows how. Heaving. No attempt at anything like SD, indoors, outside, in the car park, nearest open space, hordes of the buggers, usually in groups >6. Shrug.

So what does that tell you about SARS-Cov-2?

[saaby93]

anyone got a map of the uk showing where is in lockdown and where is ok to travel?

[Thankyou4calling]

You can travel anywhere you like. You’re Advised not to but no rules. The word “Lockdown” is a bit erroneous too ( not having a go at you) but it’s bandied about far too easily.

I’d even go so far as to say the UK has NEVER HAD a lockdown during the pandemic.

Not as many other countries would describe.

Edited by Thankyou4calling on Saturday 17th October 14:36

[Mr lestat]

R Mutt said:

popeyewhite said:

red_slr said:

Lancs to go into level 3 lock down.

However, they are making up the rules as they go so gyms and hairdressers can remain open. Some other caveats.

Its bonkers that its going to be negotiated for each area how can that be scientific? Is a gym in Liverpool more risky than a Gym in Preston?

Probably not.
"New research shows gyms in England are successfully controlling COVID-19"

https://www.leisureopportunities.co.uk/news/COVID-...

funnily enough I just got this mail from my gym

"The UK fitness industry as a whole has been sharing data on gym visits and reported incidences of COVID since the end of lockdown. There have been 34 million visits to health and fitness clubs across the country in this time and only 245 known cases amongst members or staff. This data shows that the rate of COVID incidence is around 50 times lower amongst gym-goers than amongst the population as a whole"

However our local gym in Nottingham is a hotbed for students and students in Nottingham have been accounting for most of the cases. Also they aren’t the best at cleaning anything at all, never mind gym equipment. I’ll pass thanks.

[saaby93]

saaby93 said:

anyone got a map of the uk showing where is in lockdown and where is ok to travel?

Found this on the other PH
https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/live-cor...
NI is missing

[nonsequitur]

mondeoman said:

FiF said:

sim72 said:

Jinx said:

popeyewhite said:

Probably not.
"New research shows gyms in England are successfully controlling COVID-19"

https://www.leisureopportunities.co.uk/news/COVID-...

Erm infection rates were measured from 25 July to 16 August. I really wish short term studies were ignored routinely rather than put all over the media.
What are the current numbers after schools went back?

ARI outbreaks involving COVID, Week 42 (5-11 October)

Schools and colleges 279
Care Homes 214
Workplaces excluding hospitality 178
"Other" 111
Hospitals 52
Pubs, restaurants and food 29
Prisons 6

Well judging by the Urban Fitness place I walked by the other night, if they're controlling Covid-19 then God only knows how. Heaving. No attempt at anything like SD, indoors, outside, in the car park, nearest open space, hordes of the buggers, usually in groups >6. Shrug.

So what does that tell you about SARS-Cov-2?

Or the 'Hordes of the Buggers'.