Coronavirus - the killer flu that will wipe us out? (Vol. 5)
Discussion
Continued from here:
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There are a lot of strong opinions around Covid 19 and there is a huge quantity of data which is not all consistent.
Please try and discuss this in a polite manner and be tolerant of others’ views.
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
There are a lot of strong opinions around Covid 19 and there is a huge quantity of data which is not all consistent.
Please try and discuss this in a polite manner and be tolerant of others’ views.
EddieSteadyGo said:
It is more than just a feeling - it is a fact. The deaths reported in the UK are those where covid-19 was present in the body, not necessarily where covid-19 was an actual cause of death.
There appears to have been a subtle move in media reporting over the past week.Originally with was died with Caronavirus (and pre existing conditions), to Caronavirus deaths.
There's a cracking post by Trophy Husband on the closed thread so was unable to respond to it directly. If you're reading this TH I think you and your wife are showing incredible fortitude and couldn't agree more with what you are saying about vulnerable kids, it's a fear that I have held since things started to lockdown and one of the most depressing aspects of the whole situation.
Stay in Bed Instead said:
Thesprucegoose said:
Stay in Bed Instead said:
There appears to have been a subtle move in media reporting over the past week.
Originally with was died with Caronavirus (and pre existing conditions), to Caronavirus deaths.
That Caron is deadly.Originally with was died with Caronavirus (and pre existing conditions), to Caronavirus deaths.
B'stard Child said:
Have we reached Peak Covid 19 on PH?
Possibly not but we took a day longer to finish Vol 4 and in the first few days it looked like it would be done in 4
If we get a further lockdown announcement it'll pick up again massively. | Vol # | Start Date | End Date | Days | Weeks | Other Threads |
| Vol 5 | 28/03/2020 | - | |||
| Vol 4 | 20/03/2020 | 28/03/2020 | 8 | 1 | 32 |
| Vol 3 | 13/03/2020 | 20/03/2020 | 7 | 1 | 9 |
| Vol 2 | 01/03/2020 | 13/03/2020 | 12 | 2 | 6 |
| Vol 1 | 18/01/2020 | 01/03/2020 | 43 | 6 | 1 |
Possibly not but we took a day longer to finish Vol 4 and in the first few days it looked like it would be done in 4
Stay in Bed Instead said:
Thesprucegoose said:
Stay in Bed Instead said:
There appears to have been a subtle move in media reporting over the past week.
Originally with was died with Caronavirus (and pre existing conditions), to Caronavirus deaths.
That Caron is deadly.Originally with was died with Caronavirus (and pre existing conditions), to Caronavirus deaths.
B'stard Child said:
Have we reached Peak Covid 19 on PH?
Possibly not but we took a day longer to finish Vol 4 and in the first few days it looked like it would be done in 4
It’s fascinating all the covid data and information, not actually about the disease but on things like traffic or pollution or amount of air traffic, posts on forums, crime etc.| Vol # | Start Date | End Date | Days | Weeks | Other Threads |
| Vol 5 | 28/03/2020 | - | |||
| Vol 4 | 20/03/2020 | 28/03/2020 | 8 | 1 | 32 |
| Vol 3 | 13/03/2020 | 20/03/2020 | 7 | 1 | 9 |
| Vol 2 | 01/03/2020 | 13/03/2020 | 12 | 2 | 6 |
| Vol 1 | 18/01/2020 | 01/03/2020 | 43 | 6 | 1 |
Possibly not but we took a day longer to finish Vol 4 and in the first few days it looked like it would be done in 4
El stovey said:
It’s fascinating all the covid data and information, not actually about the disease but on things like traffic or pollution or amount of air traffic, posts on forums, crime etc.
Chinese mobile phone subscriber numbers dropped by 21 million in the last quarter.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7qxMBqRNZs
I had a post all typed out in reply to a point on the previous volume but lost it when the post limit hit. It was relating to the stats about deaths. Basically;
The death stats don't really tell us anything and are essentially meaningless when you think about it. They don't tell us anything about the degree and severity of the virus. They seem simply to relate to people who died with the virus in their bodies rather than due to the effects of the virus or the degree to which it contributed towards the death. I read somewhere ages ago that 80% of the population carry the virus which causes cold sores. It's irrelevant though as people don't die due to it.....or if they do it's extremely rare and probably in combination with other causes.
Think of it this way; in law if you are prosecuted for causing an unlawful death (murder or manslaughter) your actions must be shown to have been a substantial and operating cause of the death. It need not be the direct and immediate cause. So, if you stab someone, they survive and would have made a full recovery but for a murderous nurse who turned the machine off you would still be liable for murder or manslaughter. Your stab would was not the direct cause of the death but it was a substantial and operating cause of it.
So, in what percentage of these deaths is the virus which they are infected with actually an operating cause of the death and how "substantial" is it? Without knowing that then any figures as to deaths are completely and utterly meaningless, surely?
The death stats don't really tell us anything and are essentially meaningless when you think about it. They don't tell us anything about the degree and severity of the virus. They seem simply to relate to people who died with the virus in their bodies rather than due to the effects of the virus or the degree to which it contributed towards the death. I read somewhere ages ago that 80% of the population carry the virus which causes cold sores. It's irrelevant though as people don't die due to it.....or if they do it's extremely rare and probably in combination with other causes.
Think of it this way; in law if you are prosecuted for causing an unlawful death (murder or manslaughter) your actions must be shown to have been a substantial and operating cause of the death. It need not be the direct and immediate cause. So, if you stab someone, they survive and would have made a full recovery but for a murderous nurse who turned the machine off you would still be liable for murder or manslaughter. Your stab would was not the direct cause of the death but it was a substantial and operating cause of it.
So, in what percentage of these deaths is the virus which they are infected with actually an operating cause of the death and how "substantial" is it? Without knowing that then any figures as to deaths are completely and utterly meaningless, surely?
Edited by AJL308 on Saturday 28th March 11:49
QuartzDad said:
El stovey said:
It’s fascinating all the covid data and information, not actually about the disease but on things like traffic or pollution or amount of air traffic, posts on forums, crime etc.
Chinese mobile phone subscriber numbers dropped by 21 million in the last quarter.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7qxMBqRNZs
king throw them. Some interesting discussion of likely immunity and vaccine development here.
https://youtu.be/oOgFYh7Ywo4
https://youtu.be/oOgFYh7Ywo4
Ireland has locked down more last night
Varadkar is staying that ICU is close to capacity and could be overwhelmed imminently
ICU in Ireland is normally at pretty much 100% capacity whereas the U.K. is normally at 80-85%
I think the crux of the matter for most countries is Stopping the Health Service being overwhelmed
If you pass the tipping point it will start to fall apart
Fortunately the U.K. seems to be managing to surge capacity
On TH’s post I agree with his sentiments totally
I live in a similar area which is currently devoid of tourists and is eerily quiet
But nature is moving on regardless .. the fields are growing, the daffodils are out ( as are the muck spreaders )
My son and I watched some Cattle released into the field at the bottom of our garden yesterday. They were running and jumping like kids given new found freedom ... I think that might be us in a couple of months
I think this virus will change a lot of people’s perspectives on their lives and lifestyles
We might have stopped but nature hasn’t
Varadkar is staying that ICU is close to capacity and could be overwhelmed imminently
ICU in Ireland is normally at pretty much 100% capacity whereas the U.K. is normally at 80-85%
I think the crux of the matter for most countries is Stopping the Health Service being overwhelmed
If you pass the tipping point it will start to fall apart
Fortunately the U.K. seems to be managing to surge capacity
On TH’s post I agree with his sentiments totally
I live in a similar area which is currently devoid of tourists and is eerily quiet
But nature is moving on regardless .. the fields are growing, the daffodils are out ( as are the muck spreaders )
My son and I watched some Cattle released into the field at the bottom of our garden yesterday. They were running and jumping like kids given new found freedom ... I think that might be us in a couple of months
I think this virus will change a lot of people’s perspectives on their lives and lifestyles
We might have stopped but nature hasn’t
Earthdweller said:
Ireland has locked down more last night
Varadkar is staying that ICU is close to capacity and could be overwhelmed imminently
ICU in Ireland is normally at pretty much 100% capacity whereas the U.K. is normally at 80-85%
I think the crux of the matter for most countries is Stopping the Health Service being overwhelmed
If you pass the tipping point it will start to fall apart
Fortunately the U.K. seems to be managing to surge capacity
On TH’s post I agree with his sentiments totally
I live in a similar area which is currently devoid of tourists and is eerily quiet
But nature is moving on regardless .. the fields are growing, the daffodils are out ( as are the muck spreaders )
My son and I watched some Cattle released into the field at the bottom of our garden yesterday. They were running and jumping like kids given new found freedom ... I think that might be us in a couple of months
I think this virus will change a lot of people’s perspectives on their lives and lifestyles
We might have stopped but nature hasn’t
ISWYM with the caveat that we are part of nature so any separation is unreal, I appreciate you may not have intended to separate us.Varadkar is staying that ICU is close to capacity and could be overwhelmed imminently
ICU in Ireland is normally at pretty much 100% capacity whereas the U.K. is normally at 80-85%
I think the crux of the matter for most countries is Stopping the Health Service being overwhelmed
If you pass the tipping point it will start to fall apart
Fortunately the U.K. seems to be managing to surge capacity
On TH’s post I agree with his sentiments totally
I live in a similar area which is currently devoid of tourists and is eerily quiet
But nature is moving on regardless .. the fields are growing, the daffodils are out ( as are the muck spreaders )
My son and I watched some Cattle released into the field at the bottom of our garden yesterday. They were running and jumping like kids given new found freedom ... I think that might be us in a couple of months
I think this virus will change a lot of people’s perspectives on their lives and lifestyles
We might have stopped but nature hasn’t
What's happening to us is also natural.
I live slap bang in the middle of Birmingham City centre and from my windows I can see a good part of the city.
It's a total ghost town. There is nobody about.
My building is mostly empty too as I presume people have run to parents etc in other parts of the country.
I've been going for a walk for an hour through the city the last few days and haven't seen either a single policeman or anyone breaking the "rules".
There's no mass disobedience going on here. "locking the city down" with roadblocks etc would just be a waste of police resources as it's not needed.
It's a total ghost town. There is nobody about.
My building is mostly empty too as I presume people have run to parents etc in other parts of the country.
I've been going for a walk for an hour through the city the last few days and haven't seen either a single policeman or anyone breaking the "rules".
There's no mass disobedience going on here. "locking the city down" with roadblocks etc would just be a waste of police resources as it's not needed.
Earthdweller said:
Ireland has locked down more last night
Varadkar is staying that ICU is close to capacity and could be overwhelmed imminently
ICU in Ireland is normally at pretty much 100% capacity whereas the U.K. is normally at 80-85%
I think the crux of the matter for most countries is Stopping the Health Service being overwhelmed
If you pass the tipping point it will start to fall apart
Fortunately the U.K. seems to be managing to surge capacity
On TH’s post I agree with his sentiments totally
I live in a similar area which is currently devoid of tourists and is eerily quiet
But nature is moving on regardless .. the fields are growing, the daffodils are out ( as are the muck spreaders )
My son and I watched some Cattle released into the field at the bottom of our garden yesterday. They were running and jumping like kids given new found freedom ... I think that might be us in a couple of months
I think this virus will change a lot of people’s perspectives on their lives and lifestyles
We might have stopped but nature hasn’t
Definitely very eerie out there right now. I live on the edge of Bristol and haven't been anywhere near the city centre for a couple of weeks but just in my village, the peace and quiet is lovely. Can't see it staying that way once the restrictions are lifted but as you say, we can only hope that some of our current behaviour seeps into everyday life when we go back to normality. Varadkar is staying that ICU is close to capacity and could be overwhelmed imminently
ICU in Ireland is normally at pretty much 100% capacity whereas the U.K. is normally at 80-85%
I think the crux of the matter for most countries is Stopping the Health Service being overwhelmed
If you pass the tipping point it will start to fall apart
Fortunately the U.K. seems to be managing to surge capacity
On TH’s post I agree with his sentiments totally
I live in a similar area which is currently devoid of tourists and is eerily quiet
But nature is moving on regardless .. the fields are growing, the daffodils are out ( as are the muck spreaders )
My son and I watched some Cattle released into the field at the bottom of our garden yesterday. They were running and jumping like kids given new found freedom ... I think that might be us in a couple of months
I think this virus will change a lot of people’s perspectives on their lives and lifestyles
We might have stopped but nature hasn’t
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