Coronavirus - the killer flu that will wipe us out? (Vol. 5)

[anonymous-user]

Alucidnation said:

21 NHS staff have now died, and the latest two were porters at a hospital in Oxford.

Their partners are also NHS staff working on the frontline.

I expect someone will trot out they had undiagnosed health conditions.

Considering it takes over 2 weeks to die and we are not even at the peak I would suggest the number will end up in the hundreds unfortunately, people might he moaning but it is their lives being played with.

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egor110 said:

What's the advice re attending a funeral if your aged 70

My step father who's 70 has been informed today his father has died ( not from covid) is he ok to come out of self isolation and travel 100 miles for the funeral ?

Depends on where the funeral is most (but not all) councils have banned any mourners at the crematorium, and there is restrictions on the number mourners at funerals. Again varies with councils (typically no more than 6 to 10)

[K77 CTR]

Dixy said:

When this is over there are going to be a lot of NHS staff with ptsd.

And this is going to be the biggest cause of death in the NHS from covid sadly.

[Matty3]

Just a little aside from the serious health issues of this thread!

What do folk reckon will be the longterm fallout on professional services? - not really life or death are they?., accountants, solicitors, estate agents, etc.

NHS are currently the Premier Front Line Service - correctly so, and I can see this continuing afters - yes!!

Sorry perhaps a wine glass too far

Stay safe

[Piersman2]

My daughter is a doctor on an ITU coronavirus ward in a northern town. She started there just this last week or so having transferred over from her GP placement.

The PPE provisioning at the GPs wasn't up to spec' but largely didn't need to be as anyone with symptons was being told to stay well clear of the GPs and to phone 111 for advice.

Since tranferring to the ITU ward they have been measured and fitted with all the correct gear, she looks like ET with all the kit on. So although there may be some shortages in some locations, it is not across the board.

As an aside, her ITU is currently running at 10% capacity, they are expecting that number to rise in the next few weeks of course but have fingers crossed that it won't become deluged. So far they have plenty of spare ventilators.

[Penelope Stopit]

There could be many claims against the NHS in the future when this is all hopefully over, if it is the case that NHS staff haven't all been given the required protection to undertake their much needed work

Finding out the true situation is extremely difficult

[Penelope Stopit]

Matty3 said:

Just a little aside from the serious health issues of this thread!

What do folk reckon will be the longterm fallout on professional services? - not really life or death are they?., accountants, solicitors, estate agents, etc.

NHS are currently the Premier Front Line Service - correctly so, and I can see this continuing afters - yes!!

Sorry perhaps a wine glass too far

Stay safe

Getting rid of most of them would be a good start

Train them in carrying out something that is productive

Obviously solicitors being robbing bds need to be paid less than the rest

[frisbee]

WindyCommon said:

Penelope Stopit said:

NHS staff state that they are short of PPE

Goverment states there is enough PPE for NHS staff

I believe the NHS staff

What do posters here think about this?

I think your question is a classic example of a false dichotomy.

The government got Priti Patel to count the PPE? Three hundred thousand and thirty four, nine hundred and seventy four thousand!

[lampchair]

Penelope Stopit said:

NHS staff state that they are short of PPE

Goverment states there is enough PPE for NHS staff

I believe the NHS staff

What do posters here think about this?

My wife (an ITU lead) says they have enough and are running well.

[lampchair]

frisbee said:

WindyCommon said:

Penelope Stopit said:

NHS staff state that they are short of PPE

Goverment states there is enough PPE for NHS staff

I believe the NHS staff

What do posters here think about this?

I think your question is a classic example of a false dichotomy.

The government got Priti Patel to count the PPE? Three hundred thousand and thirty four, nine hundred and seventy four thousand!

Taking maffs classes from Diane Abbott

[Matty3]

Penelope Stopit said:

Matty3 said:

Just a little aside from the serious health issues of this thread!

What do folk reckon will be the longterm fallout on professional services? - not really life or death are they?., accountants, solicitors, estate agents, etc.

NHS are currently the Premier Front Line Service - correctly so, and I can see this continuing afters - yes!!

Sorry perhaps a wine glass too far

Stay safe

Getting rid of most of them would be a good start

Train them in carrying out something that is productive

Obviously solicitors being robbing bds need to be paid less than the rest

I raise my glass to you PS

[hyphen]

Matty3 said:

Just a little aside from the serious health issues of this thread!

What do folk reckon will be the longterm fallout on professional services? - not really life or death are they?., accountants, solicitors, estate agents, etc.

NHS are currently the Premier Front Line Service - correctly so, and I can see this continuing afters - yes!!

Sorry perhaps a wine glass too far

Stay safe

Nothing will change.

Memories are short, and we don't have any alternative idea on how to change from how we are, latest one, Corbynism was rejected.

So this time next year life will be carrying on exactly as it was. Even WFH levels will resume to about what they were.

NHS front line staff will probably get a pay rise of some sort, and there will be stealth tax rises to pay for it.

[psgcarey]

shed driver said:

Last night I was working, as I have for the previous 3 nights on a Covid positive ward. PPE is a problem at times. There are different types of masks that fit different people, facial shape differs. We ran out of the mask I can wear, so I had to change to the one I knew I had failed a fit test on until I could get resupplied. There's plenty of medium and small gloves, not so many large ones, so mine are ripping doing patient care or procedures.

My main concern is the mental health issues. I made a video call to a relative last night so she could say goodbye to her mother.

At 5am I made another call informing her that her mother was dead. All she could say was "thank you"

I sat and cried. This is not how I envisaged ending my nursing career.

Oh, I've got three colleagues who have developed symptoms off my ward. PPE guidance was changed about 2 weeks before they went off. One is not expected to survive.

SD

Thank you for everything you are achieving.

[EddieSteadyGo]

hyphen said:

NHS front line staff will probably get a pay rise of some sort, and there will be stealth tax rises to pay for it.

Slight aside, but I was watching an old, extended interview with Ronald Reagan back from 1976, a few years before he won the Republican nomination to run for president.

He rather wisely suggested that any politician who proposes a spending increase should propose the tax rise which would pay for it. Of course, that's simplistic and we don't have a hypothecated tax system, but his broad point still stands nearly 50 years later.

When we finally get out of this mess we will have added hundreds of billions to the national debt. Tax rises will be necessary just to fund the additional interest payments, before we even get to awarding pay rises.

[Matty3]

psgcarey said:

shed driver said:

Last night I was working, as I have for the previous 3 nights on a Covid positive ward. PPE is a problem at times. There are different types of masks that fit different people, facial shape differs. We ran out of the mask I can wear, so I had to change to the one I knew I had failed a fit test on until I could get resupplied. There's plenty of medium and small gloves, not so many large ones, so mine are ripping doing patient care or procedures.

My main concern is the mental health issues. I made a video call to a relative last night so she could say goodbye to her mother.

At 5am I made another call informing her that her mother was dead. All she could say was "thank you"

I sat and cried. This is not how I envisaged ending my nursing career.

Oh, I've got three colleagues who have developed symptoms off my ward. PPE guidance was changed about 2 weeks before they went off. One is not expected to survive.

SD

Thank you for everything you are achieving.

I really cannot put into words my total appreciation and respect of what you folk are doing for us - love you and your team

[EddieSteadyGo]

Matty3 said:

I raise my glass to you PS

I don't. Lazy stereotypes about accountants, solicitors etc are the last thing we need.

[Exige77]

psgcarey said:

shed driver said:

Last night I was working, as I have for the previous 3 nights on a Covid positive ward. PPE is a problem at times. There are different types of masks that fit different people, facial shape differs. We ran out of the mask I can wear, so I had to change to the one I knew I had failed a fit test on until I could get resupplied. There's plenty of medium and small gloves, not so many large ones, so mine are ripping doing patient care or procedures.

My main concern is the mental health issues. I made a video call to a relative last night so she could say goodbye to her mother.

At 5am I made another call informing her that her mother was dead. All she could say was "thank you"

I sat and cried. This is not how I envisaged ending my nursing career.

Oh, I've got three colleagues who have developed symptoms off my ward. PPE guidance was changed about 2 weeks before they went off. One is not expected to survive.

SD

Thank you for everything you are achieving.

^^^^^^What he said.

[Matty3]

EddieSteadyGo said:

Matty3 said:

I raise my glass to you PS

I don't. Lazy stereotypes about accountants, solicitors etc are the last thing we need.

Read it all Idle Eddie!

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