Can Sir Keir Starmer revive the Labour Party?
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: They were viable in Honiton weren't they?
The Lib Dems won't win a General Election but they could win enough to make things interesting whether that's taking Conservative seats or having enough to be kingmaker like in 2010.
…..which lead directly to the brexit vote. Be careful what you wish for. The Lib Dems won't win a General Election but they could win enough to make things interesting whether that's taking Conservative seats or having enough to be kingmaker like in 2010.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:turbobloke said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: They were viable in Honiton weren't they?.
Not the point - a most obtuse reply.They were the viable protest vote, it was the SW factor.
Viable nationally, dream on.
"The Lib Dems won't win a General Election but they could win enough to make things interesting whether that's taking Conservative seats or having enough to be kingmaker like in 2010.".
No idea what the SW factor is.
It's also being suggested that without that switch Cons would still have won. Imo would have been very close.
The claim is that if the 2019 Labour vote share had been repeated LD would have lost by 1.1%. If's - but's - maybe's.
FiF said:
There's some evidence which suggests that LD won because of Labour voters switching to vote LD. Possibly due to a pact, no idea if that is true or not.
It's also being suggested that without that switch Cons would still have won. Imo would have been very close.
The claim is that if the 2019 Labour vote share had been repeated LD would have lost by 1.1%. If's - but's - maybe's.
I think it's pretty clear that's what many voters did.It's also being suggested that without that switch Cons would still have won. Imo would have been very close.
The claim is that if the 2019 Labour vote share had been repeated LD would have lost by 1.1%. If's - but's - maybe's.
At what point does voters voting tactically become an electoral pact though?
Interesting seeing the Mail's take on pacts and tactical voting now v when they were literally running front pages urging Farage to stand candidates down back in 2019.
One theme also seems to be that Conservative voters who are pissed off with Johnson might not vote for another party but they will stay at home.
I saw Lord Frost moaning about that.
The answer is really simple and it's to give those voters what they want so they're prepared to go out and vote Conservative.
And we know what that is.
FiF said:
There's some evidence which suggests that LD won because of Labour voters switching to vote LD. Possibly due to a pact, no idea if that is true or not.
It's also being suggested that without that switch Cons would still have won. Imo would have been very close.
The claim is that if the 2019 Labour vote share had been repeated LD would have lost by 1.1%. If's - but's - maybe's.
I think you’ve hit the nail on the head. It's also being suggested that without that switch Cons would still have won. Imo would have been very close.
The claim is that if the 2019 Labour vote share had been repeated LD would have lost by 1.1%. If's - but's - maybe's.
Did I read in the Times that both parties vote was so low in each corresponding vote that they lost their deposits? If correct this may be indicative of tactical voting.
Unlikely to be repeated in a GE but I wish someone would get rid of this useless piece of PM crap in the interim period.
FiF said:
There's some evidence which suggests that LD won because of Labour voters switching to vote LD. Possibly due to a pact, no idea if that is true or not.
It's also being suggested that without that switch Cons would still have won. Imo would have been very close.
The claim is that if the 2019 Labour vote share had been repeated LD would have lost by 1.1%. If's - but's - maybe's.
Lib-Dems lost their deposit in Wakefield, Labour lost theirs in Tiv/Hon...It's also being suggested that without that switch Cons would still have won. Imo would have been very close.
The claim is that if the 2019 Labour vote share had been repeated LD would have lost by 1.1%. If's - but's - maybe's.
Frosty made a good case yesterday, some would call it b
hing.
https://twitter.com/DavidGHFrost/status/1540218121...
And Gavin Barwell explained why Frosts numbers don't add up.
https://twitter.com/GavinBarwell/status/1540590832...
Honiton was a disaster for the Conservatives however Frost tries to spin it.
https://twitter.com/GavinBarwell/status/1540590832...
Honiton was a disaster for the Conservatives however Frost tries to spin it.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: And Gavin Barwell explained why Frosts numbers don't add up.
https://twitter.com/GavinBarwell/status/1540590832...
Honiton was a disaster for the Conservatives however Frost tries to spin it.
Where’s the spin? Frosty admits it was a “terrible night”.https://twitter.com/GavinBarwell/status/1540590832...
Honiton was a disaster for the Conservatives however Frost tries to spin it.
https://twitter.com/DavidGHFrost/status/1540252217...
This spin.
Comments like "We as @Conservatives must decide why that is, and what we do about it." almost wilfully ignores the elephant in the room.
Frost said:
So, in contrast to many 'normal' mid-term by-elections, these do not show strong protest votes for the opposition.
They show people who voted for us in 2019 refusing to come out and do so again.
Frost is another one who will have the odd nip at Johnson but doesn't seem to directly call him out as the reason people in Tiverton and Wakefield voted for other parties.They show people who voted for us in 2019 refusing to come out and do so again.
Comments like "We as @Conservatives must decide why that is, and what we do about it." almost wilfully ignores the elephant in the room.
AstonZagato said:
One stat that caught my eye was that, if the Con/Lab swing seen in Wakefield were repeated at the next General Election, Labour would still be one short of an overall majority. Made me realise how far Labour need to go from here.
Another problem is the bulk of Lib voters only vote for them when it doesn't matter.Come the election most of them vote Conservative.
General Price said:
Another problem is the bulk of Lib voters only vote for them when it doesn't matter.
Come the election most of them vote Conservative.
Who knows what people will do when there’s a general election. Come the election most of them vote Conservative.
I usually vote conservative and have voted libdem once and never labour.
I definitely won’t vote for the conservatives if Boris is in charge. I can’t imagine I’m the only person like that.
What I don’t get is why the conservatives think they need Boris in charge still? Can they really not look and see better more effective leaders in their party? I can see loads.
The conservatives would be miles ahead in the polls if they got rid of Boris. Now they’ve possibly messed it up with the vonc if they lose the next GE it will be entirely their own fault for backing Boris.
Even with everything going on, labour are only a few points ahead that’s ridiculously poor for labour.
The conservatives can easily turn it around but they get rid of the incompetent liar they’ve got in charge.
At the moment though, I think I coalition of losers looks a likely winner if nothing changes.
El stovey said:
General Price said:
Another problem is the bulk of Lib voters only vote for them when it doesn't matter.
Come the election most of them vote Conservative.
Who knows what people will do when there’s a general election. Come the election most of them vote Conservative.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: They were viable in Honiton weren't they?
That seat is as "true blue" as they come but the last anyone heard of the Conservative candidate there she'd locked herself in the dance studio of the leisure centre.
The Lib Dems won't win a General Election but they could win enough to make things interesting whether that's taking Conservative seats or having enough to be kingmaker like in 2010.
Whilst Davey carries out mindless gimmicks like knocking down a 'wall' of blue plastic bricks, or sets up a faux door to "show Boris", who with a functioning brain could possible take the idiot seriously? Gravitas? Wassthat? That seat is as "true blue" as they come but the last anyone heard of the Conservative candidate there she'd locked herself in the dance studio of the leisure centre.
The Lib Dems won't win a General Election but they could win enough to make things interesting whether that's taking Conservative seats or having enough to be kingmaker like in 2010.
valiant said:
motco said:
Whilst Davey carries out mindless gimmicks like knocking down a 'wall' of blue plastic bricks, or sets up a faux door to "show Boris", who with a functioning brain could possible take the idiot seriously? Gravitas? Wassthat?
Similar idiots who took this guy seriously?
motco said:
Whilst Davey carries out mindless gimmicks like knocking down a 'wall' of blue plastic bricks, or sets up a faux door to "show Boris", who with a functioning brain could possible take the idiot seriously? Gravitas? Wassthat?
Tend to agree there and the muppet was tweeting about a hammer early on Friday morning.Like you've seen though he's not the only one to use gimmicks.
I'd rather they demonstrated why I should actually vote for them.
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