Can Sir Keir Starmer revive the Labour Party?

[Teppic]

techguyone said:

Jockman said:

Tories are said to be gaming a snap election if SKS is charged by Durham Police and so forced to resign.

The 3 month Labour leadership election would it seem lead to a lurch to the left.

Obviously denied by Tory HQ in the Times today.

That's what I'd do, (he can now fixed term parliament act is repealed)

It would be a another case of hold your nose because the alternative would be far far worse, it would be a shrewd move politically.

A dangerous game for the Conservatives to play, though, especially with the incompetent liar Boris at the helm and "Partygate" still too fresh in everybody's minds.

[Jockman]

Teppic said:

techguyone said:

Jockman said:

Tories are said to be gaming a snap election if SKS is charged by Durham Police and so forced to resign.

The 3 month Labour leadership election would it seem lead to a lurch to the left.

Obviously denied by Tory HQ in the Times today.

That's what I'd do, (he can now fixed term parliament act is repealed)

It would be a another case of hold your nose because the alternative would be far far worse, it would be a shrewd move politically.

A dangerous game for the Conservatives to play, though, especially with the incompetent liar Boris at the helm and "Partygate" still too fresh in everybody's minds.

This tactic cost May her majority in 2017 and I hope Tory HQ understand how deeply unpopular Boris is at the moment.

[Vasco]

Teppic said:

A dangerous game for the Conservatives to play, though, especially with the incompetent liar Boris at the helm and "Partygate" still too fresh in everybody's minds.

Is it ? - I'd totally forgotten about the parties - as will many others.

I tend to agree that Raab seems to be doing a bit better.

[leef44]

Cobracc said:

As a floating voter i have absolutely no idea what values SKS and Labour stand for.

What are their policies? What is his vision for the country..? Just standing there constantly stating the obvious of 'Tories bad' isn't good enough.

I am the same as you. I am quite desperate to vote for someone other than Boris but I would like to know what the alternatives are standing for.

[valiant]

Vasco said:

Teppic said:

A dangerous game for the Conservatives to play, though, especially with the incompetent liar Boris at the helm and "Partygate" still too fresh in everybody's minds.

Is it ? - I'd totally forgotten about the parties - as will many others.

I tend to agree that Raab seems to be doing a bit better.

Yet, if there’s an election you’ll definitely be reminded of it. Plenty of people were pissed off at the time and it won’t take much to reignite all that bad feeling.

Very risky game for the Tories.

[biggbn]

Brave Fart said:

Interesting to watch Angela Rayner and Dominic Raab during PMQ's today. Rayner is so much more energised than Sir Keir, although personally I find she's rather shouty. But I wonder how many Labour voters (actual or potential) will see her performance and think "Now there's someone with some fire and passion; much better than SKS"?

I can't stand her, personally, but I can see why she has an appeal to those who doubt SKS's credentials.

Meanwhile I though Raab came across as sharp, witty and calm. I had thought of him as Nice But Dim, but today has changed my mind a little.

I have been saying the same for a good while now, she needs to be in charge and get the Labour party noticed again. Starmer is dragging them down to his own level of visibility which is best described as being as visible as an invisible thing who has jist won first place in an invisibility contest...

[Vasco]

valiant said:

Vasco said:

Teppic said:

A dangerous game for the Conservatives to play, though, especially with the incompetent liar Boris at the helm and "Partygate" still too fresh in everybody's minds.

Is it ? - I'd totally forgotten about the parties - as will many others.

I tend to agree that Raab seems to be doing a bit better.

Yet, if there’s an election you’ll definitely be reminded of it. Plenty of people were pissed off at the time and it won’t take much to reignite all that bad feeling.

Very risky game for the Tories.

I agree, particularly if a GE is called early. However, time is a healer and reminders about parties, in another year or two, will have little impact. Voters know Boris is an idiot and buffoon, parties will be just one of dozens of issues by then.

[loafer123]

biggbn said:

I have been saying the same for a good while now, she needs to be in charge and get the Labour party noticed again. Starmer is dragging them down to his own level of visibility which is best described as being as visible as an invisible thing who has jist won first place in an invisibility contest...

I agree, I think it would be excellent if Rayner was in charge.

Labour would be toast.

[Riff Raff]

Vasco said:

I agree, particularly if a GE is called early. However, time is a healer and reminders about parties, in another year or two, will have little impact. Voters know Boris is an idiot and buffoon, parties will be just one of dozens of issues by then.

You’d have to be delusional to think that Boris’s reputation for probity in the minds of many of the electorate is going to recover in the short, medium or long term.

I’ll not be persuaded to vote Tory whilst he’s in charge: there seem to be a lot of people like me.

[Vasco]

Riff Raff said:

Vasco said:

I agree, particularly if a GE is called early. However, time is a healer and reminders about parties, in another year or two, will have little impact. Voters know Boris is an idiot and buffoon, parties will be just one of dozens of issues by then.

You’d have to be delusional to think that Boris’s reputation for probity in the minds of many of the electorate is going to recover in the short, medium or long term.

I’ll not be persuaded to vote Tory whilst he’s in charge: there seem to be a lot of people like me.

I'm sure there are many like you. All I'm saying is that many will forget about cakes and drinks etc in another year or two.
Despite timely reminders by others prior to a GE, it will largely depend on what opposition parties come up with at the time. At present, Labour and LibDem look as useless as ever, so some really big steps are needed by them.
Also, don't forget that you vote for the party, not the buffoon leading it. Lifelong Tory voters will have a deep think as to what is best for them, and the country - and vote Tory again.

[biggbn]

loafer123 said:

biggbn said:

I have been saying the same for a good while now, she needs to be in charge and get the Labour party noticed again. Starmer is dragging them down to his own level of visibility which is best described as being as visible as an invisible thing who has jist won first place in an invisibility contest...

I agree, I think it would be excellent if Rayner was in charge.

Labour would be toast.

As opposed to how they are now, because I smell burnt toast right now. I'd rather see a vocal opposition that provided a visible alternative than the insipid, characterless party I see right now. If your gonna lose, lose on your feet and swinging hard

[turbobloke]

biggbn said:

loafer123 said:

biggbn said:

I have been saying the same for a good while now, she needs to be in charge and get the Labour party noticed again. Starmer is dragging them down to his own level of visibility which is best described as being as visible as an invisible thing who has jist won first place in an invisibility contest...

I agree, I think it would be excellent if Rayner was in charge.

Labour would be toast.

As opposed to how they are now, because I smell burnt toast right now.

Toast or burnt toast, it's still toast!
Probably brown bread (chances).

[valiant]

turbobloke said:

Toast or burnt toast, it's still toast!
Probably brown bread (chances).

On their own? Probably.

As part of a coalition? Hmmmm, wouldn’t be so sure…

[turbobloke]

valiant said:

turbobloke said:

Toast or burnt toast, it's still toast!
Probably brown bread (chances).

On their own? Probably.

As part of a coalition? Hmmmm, wouldn’t be so sure…

I thought we were discussing a Labour win.
It didn't work out for Gordon. But yes, we'll see.

[Brave Fart]

biggbn said:

I have been saying the same for a good while now, she needs to be in charge and get the Labour party noticed again. Starmer is dragging them down to his own level of visibility which is best described as being as visible as an invisible thing who has jist won first place in an invisibility contest...

Haha, good description of Starmer. As 2 x Chevrons eloquently said the other day, Starmer appears to be pursuing a strategy of "I'm not Boris" (or words to that effect) and I don't think that will work. People want to vote for something different, something they can place their hopes in.

Angela Rayner is certainly different. Labour are treading water at present, so when will they decide that SKS is not 'reviving' anything? Whenever that is, they might reject the Invisible Man, and opt instead for the rough round the edges northener with union roots and fire in her belly. We'll see.

[biggbn]

Brave Fart said:

biggbn said:

I have been saying the same for a good while now, she needs to be in charge and get the Labour party noticed again. Starmer is dragging them down to his own level of visibility which is best described as being as visible as an invisible thing who has jist won first place in an invisibility contest...

Haha, good description of Starmer. As 2 x Chevrons eloquently said the other day, Starmer appears to be pursuing a strategy of "I'm not Boris" (or words to that effect) and I don't think that will work. People want to vote for something different, something they can place their hopes in.

Angela Rayner is certainly different. Labour are treading water at present, so when will they decide that SKS is not 'reviving' anything? Whenever that is, they might reject the Invisible Man, and opt instead for the rough round the edges northener with union roots and fire in her belly. We'll see.

It's intersting, when have we last had a Labour leader with broad appeal who is faithful to traditional Labour values.. (that last point rules out Blair!)

[McGee_22]

biggbn said:

I have been saying the same for a good while now, she needs to be in charge and get the Labour party noticed again. Starmer is dragging them down to his own level of visibility which is best described as being as visible as an invisible thing who has jist won first place in an invisibility contest...

And plenty of people have let you know that they see her brand of foul-mouthed hypocrisy as reason enough not to ever consider ticking a Labour ballot ticket

[biggbn]

McGee_22 said:

biggbn said:

I have been saying the same for a good while now, she needs to be in charge and get the Labour party noticed again. Starmer is dragging them down to his own level of visibility which is best described as being as visible as an invisible thing who has jist won first place in an invisibility contest...

And plenty of people have let you know that they see her brand of foul-mouthed hypocrisy as reason enough not to ever consider ticking a Labour ballot ticket

Yup, a divisive character for sure, no arguments here.

[Brave Fart]

biggbn said:

McGee_22 said:

biggbn said:

I have been saying the same for a good while now, she needs to be in charge and get the Labour party noticed again. Starmer is dragging them down to his own level of visibility which is best described as being as visible as an invisible thing who has jist won first place in an invisibility contest...

And plenty of people have let you know that they see her brand of foul-mouthed hypocrisy as reason enough not to ever consider ticking a Labour ballot ticket

Yup, a divisive character for sure, no arguments here.

But people said Boris was divisive. And Trump. But they both won.
For the avoidance of doubt, I strongly disagree with Angela Rayner's politics. I am starting to have a grudging respect for her, though.

It's strange; both parties have the wrong person as their leaders. But neither appears able to change that.

[anonymoususer]

biggbn said:

It's intersting, when have we last had a Labour leader with broad appeal who is faithful to traditional Labour values.. (that last point rules out Blair!)

1976 to 1979 Jim Callaghan