Can Sir Keir Starmer revive the Labour Party?
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urquattroGus said:
I feel very cross about this anti growth budget, think I will end up having to vote labour for the first time.
Good luck with that!! Have you found their policies ? Won’t take long as there are not any !! Starmer just bends with the wind to scoop up votes. He believes in something one day then a few weeks later he takes a position 180 degrees the other way. Bit like BREXIT if he voted so many times against it and feels so passionately about it then campaign to rejoin. He knows that won’t play well up here in the north so he tries to con people ! He’s a typical north London socialist 86 said:
Good luck with that!! Have you found their policies ? Won’t take long as there are not any !! Starmer just bends with the wind to scoop up votes. He believes in something one day then a few weeks later he takes a position 180 degrees the other way. Bit like BREXIT if he voted so many times against it and feels so passionately about it then campaign to rejoin. He knows that won’t play well up here in the north so he tries to con people ! He’s a typical north London socialist
He's from Southwark, which is in South London.Bannock said:
86 said:
Good luck with that!! Have you found their policies ? Won’t take long as there are not any !! Starmer just bends with the wind to scoop up votes. He believes in something one day then a few weeks later he takes a position 180 degrees the other way. Bit like BREXIT if he voted so many times against it and feels so passionately about it then campaign to rejoin. He knows that won’t play well up here in the north so he tries to con people ! He’s a typical north London socialist
He's from Southwark, which is in South London.86 said:
Bannock said:
86 said:
Good luck with that!! Have you found their policies ? Won’t take long as there are not any !! Starmer just bends with the wind to scoop up votes. He believes in something one day then a few weeks later he takes a position 180 degrees the other way. Bit like BREXIT if he voted so many times against it and feels so passionately about it then campaign to rejoin. He knows that won’t play well up here in the north so he tries to con people ! He’s a typical north London socialist
He's from Southwark, which is in South London.JagLover said:
Think Starmer had one good attack line in calling it a sticky plaster budget.
Showed his usual opportunism about removing the lifetime limit on pensions when it has become increasingly a problem for higher paid public sector workers on DB schemes.
Quite..a legacy from New Labour.Showed his usual opportunism about removing the lifetime limit on pensions when it has become increasingly a problem for higher paid public sector workers on DB schemes.
Bannock said:
Not that it's of any special importance, are there any other parts of the country harbouring socialists of a kind you particularly disapprove? Are socialists from Cheadle Hulme OK by you, or is it all of the buggers? If you're trying in some roundabout way to say that wealthy people shouldn't be soclialists, well I find that quite perverse, surely we should be quite approving of wealthier folk volunteering to to their bit rather than sticking it all in the Cayman Islands or the likes and cheering for Jacob Rees-Mogg (because that's what he does).
You must know how it goes by now: Lefties from London are out-of-touch, elitist, intellectual snobs. Lefties from the t'North are ignorant trade unionist dole-scroungers. Rich lefties are champagne-gulping, virtue-signalling hypocrites and poor lefties are chippy malcontents who just don't want to do a decent day's work. Young lefties are naïve, coddled rabble-rousers going through a phase and old lefties are bitter misanthropes who are angry that their lives haven't turned out the way they wanted. Presumably somewhere out there is the NP&E Platonic Leftie who's 40, earns £30,000 per year, lives in an inner suburb of Nottingham and works a middle-management engineering job having worked their way up from the shop floor, has a mortgage and drives a Passat Estate PHEV (not too flash or expensive to incur accusations of hypocrisy, but not so old or awful that they must be seething with self-loathing) whose opinions can't just be written off from first principles?
Edited by 2xChevrons on Thursday 16th March 14:00
2xChevrons said:
Bannock said:
Not that it's of any special importance, are there any other parts of the country harbouring socialists of a kind you particularly disapprove? Are socialists from Cheadle Hulme OK by you, or is it all of the buggers? If you're trying in some roundabout way to say that wealthy people shouldn't be soclialists, well I find that quite perverse, surely we should be quite approving of wealthier folk volunteering to to their bit rather than sticking it all in the Cayman Islands or the likes and cheering for Jacob Rees-Mogg (because that's what he does).
You must know how it goes by now: Lefties from London are out-of-touch, elitist, intellectual snobs. Lefties from the t'North are ignorant trade unionist dole-scroungers. Rich lefties are champagne-gulping, virtue-signalling hypocrites and poor lefties are chippy malcontents who just don't want to do a decent day's work. Presumably somewhere out there is the NP&E Platonic Leftie who earns £27,000 per year, lives in an inner suburb of Nottingham and works a middle-management engineering job having worked their way up from the shop floor, has a mortgage and drives a Passat Estate PHEV (not too flash or expensive to incur accusations of hypocrisy, but not so old or awful that they must be seething with self-loathing) whose opinions can't just be written off from first principles?
tty tropes and stereotypes being lazily trotted out as if they're some kind of original wit or wisdom. So I'm calling it out. Ohhhhh, north London, arrrrggghhh, champagne socialists all of them, but give it a second's though and you'd soon realise what a load of old bks it is, because north London harbours some utterly deprived areas, and if the wealthier people in that part of the world see that and think it worth changing enough that they're willing to vote Labour, perhaps against their own personal financial interests, then that is something celebrate. Of course people who slag off north Londoners in this manner aren't at all interested in the facts of the matter or being fair minded, it's their 2 Minute Hate contribution to the discourse.Note, I'm not from north London, I live in Berkshire. Wonder what kind of "lefty" that makes me, carrot crunching yokel or upwardly mobile IT middle manager or rowing club yahoo or some other disastrously wrong trope.
So Starmer’s own lawyer is basically saying Starmer hasn’t done enough to respond to his report on anti semitism within the Labour Party despite his glossy press conference where he implied otherwise. That’s what you get with Starmer totally superficial ?
https://theglobalherald.com/news/the-labour-files-...
https://theglobalherald.com/news/the-labour-files-...
Edited by 86 on Thursday 16th March 14:33
Edited by 86 on Thursday 16th March 14:35
2xChevrons said:
Bannock said:
Not that it's of any special importance, are there any other parts of the country harbouring socialists of a kind you particularly disapprove? Are socialists from Cheadle Hulme OK by you, or is it all of the buggers? If you're trying in some roundabout way to say that wealthy people shouldn't be soclialists, well I find that quite perverse, surely we should be quite approving of wealthier folk volunteering to to their bit rather than sticking it all in the Cayman Islands or the likes and cheering for Jacob Rees-Mogg (because that's what he does).
You must know how it goes by now: Lefties from London are out-of-touch, elitist, intellectual snobs. Lefties from the t'North are ignorant trade unionist dole-scroungers. Rich lefties are champagne-gulping, virtue-signalling hypocrites and poor lefties are chippy malcontents who just don't want to do a decent day's work. Young lefties are naïve, coddled rabble-rousers going through a phase and old lefties are bitter misanthropes who are angry that their lives haven't turned out the way they wanted. Presumably somewhere out there is the NP&E Platonic Leftie who's 40, earns £30,000 per year, lives in an inner suburb of Nottingham and works a middle-management engineering job having worked their way up from the shop floor, has a mortgage and drives a Passat Estate PHEV (not too flash or expensive to incur accusations of hypocrisy, but not so old or awful that they must be seething with self-loathing) whose opinions can't just be written off from first principles?
Edited by 2xChevrons on Thursday 16th March 14:00
2xChevrons said:
Presumably somewhere out there is the NP&E Platonic Leftie who's 40, earns £30,000 per year, lives in an inner suburb of Nottingham and works a middle-management engineering job having worked their way up from the shop floor, has a mortgage and drives a Passat Estate PHEV (not too flash or expensive to incur accusations of hypocrisy, but not so old or awful that they must be seething with self-loathing) whose opinions can't just be written off from first principles?
I fit about half of that and everyone hates me Edited by 2xChevrons on Thursday 16th March 14:00
PushedDover said:
confused_buyer said:
Weren't Labour in favour of dropping or extending LTA 6 months ago?
As highlighted to that awful John Ashworth by Jeremy Vine on R2 at lunch today.Utterly flummoxed and for once, temporarily out of froth.
Wombat3 said:
PushedDover said:
confused_buyer said:
Weren't Labour in favour of dropping or extending LTA 6 months ago?
As highlighted to that awful John Ashworth by Jeremy Vine on R2 at lunch today.Utterly flummoxed and for once, temporarily out of froth.
You could tell the interviewer was getting frustrated with her non answers and refusal to offer any alternative… just grrrr Tories
The thought of her in charge of the country’s finances really isn’t inspiring at all, in fact it’s mildly terrifying
And that for me is labour’s problem … it’s full of clueless clowns and muppets that aren’t fit to run a parish council let alone a country
And Lammy as foreign secretary?
Jesus wept and it goes on
The current lot might be s
t but the the next lot might be the entire sewage works throwing it out at us through muck spreaders Earthdweller said:
Caught Rachel Reeves, Shadow Chancellor? On BBC breakfast, she was asked several times what Labour would do in response to the budget she just kept parroting “the Tories have been in power 13 years”
You could tell the interviewer was getting frustrated with her non answers and refusal to offer any alternative… just grrrr Tories
The thought of her in charge of the country’s finances really isn’t inspiring at all, in fact it’s mildly terrifying
And that for me is labour’s problem … it’s full of clueless clowns and muppets that aren’t fit to run a parish council let alone a country
And Lammy as foreign secretary?
Jesus wept and it goes on
The current lot might be st but the the next lot might be the entire sewage works throwing it out at us through muck spreaders
Hopefully it would be like yes, minister and the civi servants keep the country running.You could tell the interviewer was getting frustrated with her non answers and refusal to offer any alternative… just grrrr Tories
The thought of her in charge of the country’s finances really isn’t inspiring at all, in fact it’s mildly terrifying
And that for me is labour’s problem … it’s full of clueless clowns and muppets that aren’t fit to run a parish council let alone a country
And Lammy as foreign secretary?
Jesus wept and it goes on
The current lot might be s
t but the the next lot might be the entire sewage works throwing it out at us through muck spreaders Earthdweller said:
Wombat3 said:
PushedDover said:
confused_buyer said:
Weren't Labour in favour of dropping or extending LTA 6 months ago?
As highlighted to that awful John Ashworth by Jeremy Vine on R2 at lunch today.Utterly flummoxed and for once, temporarily out of froth.
You could tell the interviewer was getting frustrated with her non answers and refusal to offer any alternative… just grrrr Tories
The thought of her in charge of the country’s finances really isn’t inspiring at all, in fact it’s mildly terrifying
And that for me is labour’s problem … it’s full of clueless clowns and muppets that aren’t fit to run a parish council let alone a country
And Lammy as foreign secretary?
Jesus wept and it goes on
The current lot might be s
t but the the next lot might be the entire sewage works throwing it out at us through muck spreaders CoolHands said:
swisstoni said:
It would be nice if they started
Maybe it’s harder than you think and they’re doing a wonderful job with the current lot to stop the country imploding!86 said:
So Starmer’s own lawyer is basically saying Starmer hasn’t done enough to respond to his report on anti semitism within the Labour Party despite his glossy press conference where he implied otherwise. That’s what you get with Starmer totally superficial ?
https://theglobalherald.com/news/the-labour-files-...
Being critical of Israel and it's policies is not anti Semitic, despite how much some people try and spin it to appear that way.https://theglobalherald.com/news/the-labour-files-...
Edited by 86 on Thursday 16th March 14:33
Edited by 86 on Thursday 16th March 14:35
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