Can Sir Keir Starmer revive the Labour Party?

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iPlayer. Or for edited highlights just search anywhere for Angela Rayner and scum, but remember to set the search filter to the last 24 hours.

[Legacywr]

768 said:

iPlayer. Or for edited highlights just search anywhere for Angela Rayner and scum, but remember to set the search filter to the last 24 hours.

Ah, just remembered, it’s part of Politics Live

[xstian]

Vanden Saab said:

I heard Keirs stand in getting a roasting at deputy PMQs today. After the usual first question rant left me thinking he was in trouble Raab just destroyed her with his one line reply...

It looked like "tit for tat" to me, neither where paticularly good. Rabb had his one line that he blurted out immediately and it looked to go down hill from there.

[Carl_Manchester]

TriumphStag3.0V8 said:

Yep, she was her usual screamy, unpleasant ranting self. Raab handled that well.

it's a puzzle as to why she felt the need to do this. surely she would have been coached that the sitting government is an open goal for the next 18 months and such a performance at PMQs is only going to harm her parties chances.

[Camoradi]

Carl_Manchester said:

TriumphStag3.0V8 said:

Yep, she was her usual screamy, unpleasant ranting self. Raab handled that well.

it's a puzzle as to why she felt the need to do this. surely she would have been coached that the sitting government is an open goal for the next 18 months and such a performance at PMQs is only going to harm her parties chances.

She's playing to a very niche audience, namely the element in the Labour Party who would rather see her as leader than SKS

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Carl_Manchester said:

it's a puzzle as to why she felt the need to do this. surely she would have been coached that the sitting government is an open goal for the next 18 months and such a performance at PMQs is only going to harm her parties chances.

There are limits to what's achievable. Can you imagine coaching her for that role? She couldn't even string a sentence together on one of her presumably rehearsed questions and just gave up, flung her hand at Raab and sat down. Fair play to the subtitles engine for trying to find some English words to label the noise of her choking on her tongue.

[djohnson]

768 said:

There are limits to what's achievable. Can you imagine coaching her for that role? She couldn't even string a sentence together on one of her presumably rehearsed questions and just gave up, flung her hand at Raab and sat down. Fair play to the subtitles engine for trying to find some English words to label the noise of her choking on her tongue.

You can tell immediately whether she’s using a script or ‘thinking’ for herself, such is the gulf between the two. That said she’s not the only one with a seat in Parliament for who that might apply.

[SpeckledJim]

Camoradi said:

Carl_Manchester said:

TriumphStag3.0V8 said:

Yep, she was her usual screamy, unpleasant ranting self. Raab handled that well.

it's a puzzle as to why she felt the need to do this. surely she would have been coached that the sitting government is an open goal for the next 18 months and such a performance at PMQs is only going to harm her parties chances.

She's playing to a very niche audience, namely the element in the Labour Party who would rather see her as leader than SKS

Yes. The electorate don't watch PMQ's, but the Party does. She's always on manoeuvres.

Kier's heart must sink every time he needs to interact with her.

[crankedup5]

Just how big is this proposed ‘energy windfall’ that Starmer continues to allocate to various spending plans he has . Latest is the windfall’ tax will be used to stop Council tax bills rising, Labour must have spent this windfall ten times over already.

[crankedup5]

98elise said:

lauda said:

BigMon said:

Hopefully Sunak will pull it round, but the likes of Braverman and Rees-Mogg (to give but two examples) are the equal with regards to cretinousness of the most incompetent of the Labour front bench so that doesn't exactly fill me with hope.

Those two are basically the Tory equivalent of McDonnell and Burgon.

There’s also an equivalent competence vacuum between Truss and Abbott.

The main difference being that we were spared the most incompetent elements of Labour ever having the levers of power. Shame we can’t say the same about the Tories.

Much as Truss was aterrible she is in no way comparable to Abbott!

Abbott at her finest....

Kathy Newman: Name one policy you would like Keir to embrace that he doesn't already.

Diane Abbott: Well, the idea that we should have...err..f...f...err...policy on fo...fo...folery (?)...fo...fo...on issues relating to....err...eh...eh.. ..ordinary issues in real... reality giving people...erm...free access to free quantity, free access to free... actual re...re...recovery. I think...I mean when..the..the..main thing is when Kier became Leader He seem to promise that he would....

Edited by 98elise on Wednesday 29th March 21:48

As much as I disagree with Abbott I do have concerns that this woman is unwell, certainly should not be making public statements atm.

[98elise]

crankedup5 said:

Just how big is this proposed ‘energy windfall’ that Starmer continues to allocate to various spending plans he has . Latest is the windfall’ tax will be used to stop Council tax bills rising, Labour must have spent this windfall ten times over already.

Someone from Labour was on the news saying it will be 3% taking the total to 78%.

[98elise]

crankedup5 said:

98elise said:

lauda said:

BigMon said:

Hopefully Sunak will pull it round, but the likes of Braverman and Rees-Mogg (to give but two examples) are the equal with regards to cretinousness of the most incompetent of the Labour front bench so that doesn't exactly fill me with hope.

Those two are basically the Tory equivalent of McDonnell and Burgon.

There’s also an equivalent competence vacuum between Truss and Abbott.

The main difference being that we were spared the most incompetent elements of Labour ever having the levers of power. Shame we can’t say the same about the Tories.

Much as Truss was aterrible she is in no way comparable to Abbott!

Abbott at her finest....

Kathy Newman: Name one policy you would like Keir to embrace that he doesn't already.

Diane Abbott: Well, the idea that we should have...err..f...f...err...policy on fo...fo...folery (?)...fo...fo...on issues relating to....err...eh...eh.. ..ordinary issues in real... reality giving people...erm...free access to free quantity, free access to free... actual re...re...recovery. I think...I mean when..the..the..main thing is when Kier became Leader He seem to promise that he would....

Edited by 98elise on Wednesday 29th March 21:48

As much as I disagree with Abbott I do have concerns that this woman is unwell, certainly should not be making public statements atm.

I'm inclined to agree, however at the last election she was shadow home secretary so her party seem to think she is capable.

[SpeckledJim]

98elise said:

I'm inclined to agree, however at the last election she was shadow home secretary so her party boss, post mass front-bench resignations seem to think she is capable a bit of a honey.

Not sure the wider party had too much to do with that appointment.

[Riff Raff]

crankedup5 said:

Just how big is this proposed ‘energy windfall’ that Starmer continues to allocate to various spending plans he has . Latest is the windfall’ tax will be used to stop Council tax bills rising, Labour must have spent this windfall ten times over already.

They can't 'spend' anything. They aren't in power. The more sensible amongst the electorate will wait and see what makes it into the manifesto for the next election, and make a judgement then about whether or not the sums add up.

Let's hope for your sake there aren't any statistics in it

[anonymoususer]

Riff Raff said:

crankedup5 said:

Just how big is this proposed ‘energy windfall’ that Starmer continues to allocate to various spending plans he has . Latest is the windfall’ tax will be used to stop Council tax bills rising, Labour must have spent this windfall ten times over already.

They can't 'spend' anything. They aren't in power. The more sensible amongst the electorate will wait and see what makes it into the manifesto for the next election, and make a judgement then about whether or not the sums add up.

Let's hope for your sake there aren't any statistics in it

The windfall tax could include a windmill* tax.
If the incoming Labour Government get their act together this could be a brilliant move. A brilliant idea though likely to be lost in a field of brilliant ideas.
This is the hidden consequence of the incoming Labour government being full of totally brilliant ideas.
Anyway the idea is simple tax these windfarms. They are getting the main ingredient of their business (wind) for free!
A windfall tax on these businesses would raise much needed funds for things that need extra funds.

• Note the "windmill tax" won't apply to those windmil on a stick thing you give your kids when they go on the beach. It is unfair to tax children like that.

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See Labour can’t agree amongst themselves if they are going to raise CGT. Reeves say no Rayner says yes

Not sure where all the money is coming from!!

[Vanden Saab]

98elise said:

crankedup5 said:

Just how big is this proposed ‘energy windfall’ that Starmer continues to allocate to various spending plans he has . Latest is the windfall’ tax will be used to stop Council tax bills rising, Labour must have spent this windfall ten times over already.

Someone from Labour was on the news saying it will be 3% taking the total to 78%.

Well they have spent over £40 billion on pledges WRT how they are going to spend it while estimating it will raise £10 Billion... Guess somebody must have noticed that they spent £20 billion on the £3 billion they estimate they will raise from removing non-dom.

[Cobracc]

86 said:

See Labour can’t agree amongst themselves if they are going to raise CGT. Reeves say no Rayner says yes

Not sure where all the money is coming from!!

If only the tories hadn't left the country £2.5TRILLION in debt...

At least the £32BN track and trace app and £100BN HS2 wasn't a complete waste of taxpayers money!

[General Price]

Cobracc said:

If only the tories hadn't left the country £2.5TRILLION in debt...

At least the £32BN track and trace app and £100BN HS2 wasn't a complete waste of taxpayers money!

There wasn't a £32BN track and trace app but don't let facts spoil your rant.

[greygoose]

General Price said:

Cobracc said:

If only the tories hadn't left the country £2.5TRILLION in debt...

At least the £32BN track and trace app and £100BN HS2 wasn't a complete waste of taxpayers money!

There wasn't a £32BN track and trace app but don't let facts spoil your rant.

Yeah it has all been financial probity from the conservatives, nothing to see…..