Can Sir Keir Starmer revive the Labour Party?
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hstewie said:
hstewie said:andymadmak said:
Yes I am Stewie. Still no answer to the questions I see. Or are you buying the latest garbage from SKS about it all being about the "far right"? 
Some of the people making threats to MPs are going to be Muslim.I'm not the one saying that that "Labour is actively saying that Muslims will attack MPs if they don't get exactly what they want" when they haven't said anything of the sort.
Sorry Andy but it's just more Braverman level filth.
Desperate stuff from SKS, Labour, Hoyle and now you. But you're not a supporter, no no no.
I don't think for one moment that this is about violence from Muslims, far right, or anyone else. It's about votes, nothing more.
andymadmak said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:andymadmak said:
Yes I am Stewie. Still no answer to the questions I see. Or are you buying the latest garbage from SKS about it all being about the "far right"?
Some of the people making threats to MPs are going to be Muslim.I'm not the one saying that that "Labour is actively saying that Muslims will attack MPs if they don't get exactly what they want" when they haven't said anything of the sort.
Sorry Andy but it's just more Braverman level filth.
Desperate stuff from SKS, Labour, Hoyle and now you. But you're not a supporter, no no no.
I don't think for one moment that this is about violence from Muslims, far right, or anyone else. It's about votes, nothing more.
andymadmak said:
Or are you buying the latest garbage from SKS about it all being about the "far right"?
Come come now - any dissent from the liberal-progressive consensus that's become absolute orthodoxy in Westminster and among the soft-left midwit population of the UK is now 'the Far Right'. You utter Nazi.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:andymadmak said:
I don't think for one moment that this is about violence from Muslims, far right, or anyone else. It's about votes, nothing more.
"Labour is actively saying that Muslims will attack MPs"Of course you don't it's why you said that.
One step at a time for you:
SKS tried to make out that it's MPs would be under threat if the Labour amendment to the SNP Opposition motion was not selected. That's their claim. That's their narrative, now laughably "clarified" to mean that they would be under threat from the "far right" apparently.
I don't think that Labour MPs are under threat any moreso than other MPs are under threat. Of course none of them should be under threat (despite the exhortations of past Labour leadership for members to take actions against Conservative MPs)
But, if SKS was genuine in his claim about being concerned about threats to MPs why did he not discuss the matter with Sunak and other leaders before rushing to urgently press the Speaker on the matter?
Why does Labours amendment provide protection for MPs that the Government amendment does not? Thus why was it all so fire breathing important that it be Labours amendment that was put forward, rather than the normal procedures of the House being followed?
Why did Hoyle cow tow to Starmers urgent pressing, despite the clear written advice of the Clerks?
Who was Starmer referring to when he talked to Hoyle about these threats? Who is making them? It's almost certainly NOT the far right as he is claiming today, because why would the far right give a toss about Israelis and Palestinians at war thousands of miles away? Other MPs are not referring to threats from the far right in respect of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict
So, either Starmer is lying about the threats completely, (ie, they don't exist in any specific sense above the general threat level that surrounds MPs these days) OR the threats are real... and if so who are they from? He certainly seems to have said enough on this to have spooked Hoyle!
Other MPs have noted threats from Muslim extremists in relation to the Gaza/Israel situation, so I think Starmer was playing to this and THAT is what he was alluding to. My language earlier may have been too specific for you, but no one is in any doubt about what SKS was driving at when he urgently spoke to Hoyle about threats to MPs (only Labour ones apparently)
If it was about right wing extremism, why not say so all along? Its not as if the left is at all shy about screaming about that at any given opportunity.
Or (and this is my take) its not about threats to MPs at all. Its about votes, and Starmer fearing a backlash in Muslim communities if he is not seen to be leading on the Palestine issue in their eyes. In which case he lied, and the rumours that he threatened Hoyle with deselection if he didn't get his way start to take on a more credible feel. It's not as if there isn't a by-election in just such a seat looming on the horizon now is there?
Slowboathome said:
Just a reminder gents that any suggestion that followers of Islam might resort to violence and attempt to intimidate MPs is hate-fuelled filth.
Thanks.
Hearsay or anything like "I feel this is true", or a fact that requires a 2+2=5 type leap of faith is something that can be ridiculed and would come under the banner you suggest.Thanks.
Anyone - extremist or otherwise, attacking MP's or threatening them has to be dealth harshly and swiftly by law.
It is interesting how Labour have lost the Jewish, Muslim, Reform, and far right vote, but they will win with a landslide.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Just a gentle reminder that antisemitism is a cancer that needs to be eliminated but repeatedly posting a bunch of made up stuff about Muslims is absolutely acceptable.
Funny thing is you really don't see it do you you think it's absolutely fine.
care to point out the made up stuff?Funny thing is you really don't see it do you you think it's absolutely fine.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Just a gentle reminder that antisemitism is a cancer that needs to be eliminated but repeatedly posting a bunch of made up stuff about Muslims is absolutely acceptable.
Funny thing is you really don't see it do you you think it's absolutely fine.
Funny thing is you really don't see it do you you think it's absolutely fine.
Indeed.
The world has moved on. It's time to accept that 53% of Muslims don't believe that gay people should be allowed to be teachers.
Just to reiterate, Islamic culture is entirely compatible with Western Liberalism and any attempt to argue otherwise is a dog whistle to The Worst Kind Of People.
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