Can Sir Keir Starmer revive the Labour Party?

[S600BSB]

frisbee said:

bhstewie said:

And here we go again.

"Labour is actively saying that Muslims will attack MPs if they don't get exactly what they want"

Please show me where they are saying that.

I really don't know why you bother. Just let them enjoy their bizarre circle jerk in this thread.

Good advice - they really are idiots.

[KarlMac]

Tom8 said:

Labour MPs tend to require protection from their own members.

Mainly because conservatives MPs live in a different county to their constituents care home.

[President Merkin]

S600BSB said:

Good advice - they really are idiots.

Is a bit odd isn't it? This weird idea they're saving the nation from Socialism, one twisty littel post at a tome when in actual fact, they're talking to themselves whilst strenuously ignoring the outside world.

Still, 1000 pages. Another one I don't have to renew a susbscription to.

[turbobloke]

KarlMac said:

Tom8 said:

Labour MPs tend to require protection from their own members.

Mainly because conservatives MPs live in a different county to their constituents care home.

Living somewhere is a curious metric given MPs often have residences close to London to enable them to carry out their work in parliament. In which location do they do or don't do living, is it a majority time thing?

The Times / Demos reckon that overall about half of parliamentarians were 'local' which they defined as born or educated in their constituency, or still living / lived within 20km of its boundaries up to five years before representing it. Labour had more 'locals' than the Tories at the time of the survey, with 33% Conservative MPs having 'local' links to their constituency, compared to 64% of Labour MPs.

A competent MP from/living anywhere who may or may not rent a flat in their constituency is surely preferable to a local bumpkin.

[NomduJour]

KarlMac said:

Mainly because conservatives MPs live in a different county to their constituents care home

… whereas Labour MPs live in an entirely different part of the world from the people they think they represent.

[carlo996]

NomduJour said:

KarlMac said:

Mainly because conservatives MPs live in a different county to their constituents care home

… whereas Labour MPs live in an entirely different part of the world from the people they think they represent.

Case in point. All politicians are basically terrible people, out for one thing…

[Slowboathome]

S600BSB said:

frisbee said:

bhstewie said:

And here we go again.

"Labour is actively saying that Muslims will attack MPs if they don't get exactly what they want"

Please show me where they are saying that.

I really don't know why you bother. Just let them enjoy their bizarre circle jerk in this thread.

Good advice - they really are idiots.

Ghastly people.

[turbobloke]

frisbee said:

bhstewie said:

And here we go again.

"Labour is actively saying that Muslims will attack MPs if they don't get exactly what they want"

Please show me where they are saying that.

I really don't know why you bother. Just let them enjoy their bizarre circle jerk in this thread.

Good advice - they really are idiots.

Until the news of Starmer / Hoyle broke and news reports mentioned aspects of the wider context, I hadn't been aware of any background. After reading earlier reports I had a look around and found the FT report at the link, which In appreciate is paywalled with content subject to copyright, however, this is NPE so surely somebody else will have interest / access.

https://www.ft.com/content/cac2c8cb-41b3-48c8-8cdd...

Given that individual PHers are very unlikely to have first hand evidence, and as a summary in view of the above restrictions, the article notes that it would be unusual for Starmer not to have applied pressure to the Speaker in one form or another. It also mentions that it's well known that Labour MPs are facing threats if they continue to toe the Party line on Gaza.Their take on it is that such threats also apply to Muslim MPs. Is the circle squared?

Edited by turbobloke on Friday 23 February 20:01

[PRTVR]

valiant said:

Unreal said:

That has to be the funniest thing I've read on here.

Are you saying there's no threat from the far right in this country?

I think the implications is that it was said to deflect from the real concern, that cannot be mentioned, apparently he used the words white fundamentalists, without understanding the meaning, but a great look over there its a squirrel.

[julian987R]

Uh oh!
Starmer referred to top parliamentary ethics watchdog by MP over Speaker-gate

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1869883/Ke...

[Wombat3]

julian987R said:

Uh oh!
Starmer referred to top parliamentary ethics watchdog by MP over Speaker-gate

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1869883/Ke...

Committee headed up by Harriet Harman.....nothing to see here, move along.

[julian987R]

Wombat3 said:

julian987R said:

Uh oh!
Starmer referred to top parliamentary ethics watchdog by MP over Speaker-gate

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1869883/Ke...

Committee headed up by Harriet Harman.....nothing to see here, move along.

I think audio recordings or WhatsApp proof will come to light in a few days. Some MSM are sat on things to drip feed out like how Party-Gate evolved.

[Wombat3]

julian987R said:

Wombat3 said:

julian987R said:

Uh oh!
Starmer referred to top parliamentary ethics watchdog by MP over Speaker-gate

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1869883/Ke...

Committee headed up by Harriet Harman.....nothing to see here, move along.

I think audio recordings or WhatsApp proof will come to light in a few days. Some MSM are sat on things to drip feed out like how Party-Gate evolved.

I'd be astonished if there were any such messages or recordings. Its not unusual for Labour politicians to be a bit dim, but if those exist it would beggar belief.

Edited by Wombat3 on Friday 23 February 22:06

[julian987R]

Wombat3 said:

I'd be astonished if there were any such messages or recordings. Its not unusual for Labour politicians to be a bit dim, but if those exist it would beggar belief.

Edited by Wombat3 on Friday 23 February 22:06

But its Westminster, its more than possible - inevitable I'd say.

[bitchstewie]

Give it time right

[BigMon]

Wombat3 said:

I'd be astonished if there were any such messages or recordings. Its not unusual for Labour politicians to be a bit dim, but if those exist it would beggar belief.

Edited by Wombat3 on Friday 23 February 22:06

That is, of course, purely a trait of Labour politicians.

[Wombat3]

BigMon said:

Wombat3 said:

I'd be astonished if there were any such messages or recordings. Its not unusual for Labour politicians to be a bit dim, but if those exist it would beggar belief.

Edited by Wombat3 on Friday 23 February 22:06

That is, of course, purely a trait of Labour politicians.

Obviously not

[turbobloke]

Wombat3 said:

BigMon said:

Wombat3 said:

I'd be astonished if there were any such messages or recordings. Its not unusual for Labour politicians to be a bit dim, but if those exist it would beggar belief.

Edited by Wombat3 on Friday 23 February 22:06

That is, of course, purely a trait of Labour politicians.

Obviously not

Just checked - this thread is about Starmer not reviving Labour as opposed to all politicians.

[bitchstewie]

Yeah definitely doing a st job.

I'm sure he'll be gutted at how bad it's looking right now.

[BigMon]

turbobloke said:

Just checked - this thread is about Starmer not reviving Labour as opposed to all politicians.

Merely pointing out idiocy and ineptness is a shared trait in the House of Moppets at present as I hope my posts on this forum indicate.

I take no pleasure in pointing out we're all going to be picking from an excrement buffet at the next election. It would be nice to have a few rays of sunshine that might indicate Team UK can push forward, but I'll be buggered if I can see it with the choices available at present.