Can Sir Keir Starmer revive the Labour Party?
Discussion
jakesmith said:
Secondly, yes, I hope he does form a breakaway party too, so it can be like 1997 again when all the d
heads got into speed garage and then D&B became good again & you could have a night out without the stabbings & CS gas going off.
I'm imagining Sir Robin Day in his bow tie reading that out loud.heads got into speed garage and then D&B became good again & you could have a night out without the stabbings & CS gas going off. 
BigMon said:
I really hope he does leave and start another party. All the imbeciles can go with him and maybe Labour can return to a more sensible stance rather than the gibbering lunacy we've endured from them for the past few years.
Not a popular view within N,P&E but I want Labour to be a credible alternative again as I've said before.
All sounds perfectly sensible to me.Not a popular view within N,P&E but I want Labour to be a credible alternative again as I've said before.
BigMon said:
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Not a popular view within N,P&E but I want Labour to be a credible alternative again as I've said before.
Not sure about that. I think most people interested enough in politics to waste time talking about it here recognise the importance of having a functioning opposition not just a bunch of people to vote against everything and be permanently offended. Jolly wheezes of joining the Labour party for a pound to vote for a pound shop Marxist leadership aside, I think if a Labour government is at all likely then most Tories would obviously rather it be a Smith/Blair/Starmer type party rather than a Militant/Momentum/Corbyn one. Not a popular view within N,P&E but I want Labour to be a credible alternative again as I've said before.
Hereward said:
Good summary! The taking the knee thing was a bit of a facepalm but he has redeemed himself today in my eyes. Let's see how he rides out this storm.
The problem with things like taking the knee and supporting XR is that whilst their publicly stated aims at the time may be noble and broadly in line with a more formal political organisation, they are inherently transient, unstable, and may have a hidden agenda (as it seems both of my examples do). As such it is all too easy to end up with egg on your face by associating with an organisation that later is shown to be malign or that goes off the rails and provides a fantastic smear opportunity to the opposition.lothianJim said:
I handed in my labour card the moment Corbyn won the leadership. Hard to know who has done more damage to the country, JC or Boris. Still not convinced labour can come back from this, but a step in the right direction.
I liked his politics, but like you, handed my card in when I realised what a dreadful leader he was. biggbn said:
lothianJim said:
I handed in my labour card the moment Corbyn won the leadership. Hard to know who has done more damage to the country, JC or Boris. Still not convinced labour can come back from this, but a step in the right direction.
I liked his politics, but like you, handed my card in when I realised what a dreadful leader he was. 
markyb_lcy said:
biggbn said:
lothianJim said:
I handed in my labour card the moment Corbyn won the leadership. Hard to know who has done more damage to the country, JC or Boris. Still not convinced labour can come back from this, but a step in the right direction.
I liked his politics, but like you, handed my card in when I realised what a dreadful leader he was. 
Tuna said:
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There’s a certain suspicion that Starmer was waiting for this to make his big entrance. Doesn’t make him a bad leader of course.
The move means a battle ground opens up. Johnson will try and milk the report, as Gove shows above; there are lots of opportunities to do so, but it’s a long time to the election.
Corbyn’s refusal to accept the conclusions of the report forced Starmer’s hand, but then the report, more or less, forced his.
Starmer can take the moral high ground as he’s acted swiftly and decisively against racism in the labour party. There’s a question over how much further he’ll go. He’s said six weeks. We await developments.
I have the feeling it’ll get dirty – hardly going out on a limb I know – but it might be seen as make or break for labour. If Corbyn’s side ‘wins’ then there will be problems for the party.
Starmer’s probably got at least two and a half years to get the upper hand, smooth the ruffles, and show that he’s in total control, but he needs to score points early on, and taking the whip away from Corbyn is the way to go.
Can Starmer revive the labour party? He’s certainly upped its profile by sacking his high profile emeny. He’s also taken the sting from the conclusion of the report. Good moves, and both equally targets I should imagine. We’ve got one leader of a political party who seems to have his head screwed on.
More to come on this. Isn’t it exciting. This could run for months and months as the tories will want to deflect from problems with Brexit and the economic fallout from lockdowns.
Invest in popcorn.
The move means a battle ground opens up. Johnson will try and milk the report, as Gove shows above; there are lots of opportunities to do so, but it’s a long time to the election.
Corbyn’s refusal to accept the conclusions of the report forced Starmer’s hand, but then the report, more or less, forced his.
Starmer can take the moral high ground as he’s acted swiftly and decisively against racism in the labour party. There’s a question over how much further he’ll go. He’s said six weeks. We await developments.
I have the feeling it’ll get dirty – hardly going out on a limb I know – but it might be seen as make or break for labour. If Corbyn’s side ‘wins’ then there will be problems for the party.
Starmer’s probably got at least two and a half years to get the upper hand, smooth the ruffles, and show that he’s in total control, but he needs to score points early on, and taking the whip away from Corbyn is the way to go.
Can Starmer revive the labour party? He’s certainly upped its profile by sacking his high profile emeny. He’s also taken the sting from the conclusion of the report. Good moves, and both equally targets I should imagine. We’ve got one leader of a political party who seems to have his head screwed on.
More to come on this. Isn’t it exciting. This could run for months and months as the tories will want to deflect from problems with Brexit and the economic fallout from lockdowns.
Invest in popcorn.
Derek Smith said:
There’s a certain suspicion that Starmer was waiting for this to make his big entrance. Doesn’t make him a bad leader of course.
The move means a battle ground opens up. Johnson will try and milk the report, as Gove shows above; there are lots of opportunities to do so, but it’s a long time to the election.
Corbyn’s refusal to accept the conclusions of the report forced Starmer’s hand, but then the report, more or less, forced his.
Starmer can take the moral high ground as he’s acted swiftly and decisively against racism in the labour party. There’s a question over how much further he’ll go. He’s said six weeks. We await developments.
I have the feeling it’ll get dirty – hardly going out on a limb I know – but it might be seen as make or break for labour. If Corbyn’s side ‘wins’ then there will be problems for the party.
Starmer’s probably got at least two and a half years to get the upper hand, smooth the ruffles, and show that he’s in total control, but he needs to score points early on, and taking the whip away from Corbyn is the way to go.
Can Starmer revive the labour party? He’s certainly upped its profile by sacking his high profile emeny. He’s also taken the sting from the conclusion of the report. Good moves, and both equally targets I should imagine. We’ve got one leader of a political party who seems to have his head screwed on.
More to come on this. Isn’t it exciting. This could run for months and months as the tories will want to deflect from problems with Brexit and the economic fallout from lockdowns.
Invest in popcorn.
Starmer has acted swiftly against racism in the Labour Party? Are there two Labour parties?The move means a battle ground opens up. Johnson will try and milk the report, as Gove shows above; there are lots of opportunities to do so, but it’s a long time to the election.
Corbyn’s refusal to accept the conclusions of the report forced Starmer’s hand, but then the report, more or less, forced his.
Starmer can take the moral high ground as he’s acted swiftly and decisively against racism in the labour party. There’s a question over how much further he’ll go. He’s said six weeks. We await developments.
I have the feeling it’ll get dirty – hardly going out on a limb I know – but it might be seen as make or break for labour. If Corbyn’s side ‘wins’ then there will be problems for the party.
Starmer’s probably got at least two and a half years to get the upper hand, smooth the ruffles, and show that he’s in total control, but he needs to score points early on, and taking the whip away from Corbyn is the way to go.
Can Starmer revive the labour party? He’s certainly upped its profile by sacking his high profile emeny. He’s also taken the sting from the conclusion of the report. Good moves, and both equally targets I should imagine. We’ve got one leader of a political party who seems to have his head screwed on.
More to come on this. Isn’t it exciting. This could run for months and months as the tories will want to deflect from problems with Brexit and the economic fallout from lockdowns.
Invest in popcorn.
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