Can Sir Keir Starmer revive the Labour Party?
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hstewie said:
hstewie said:turbobloke said:
Sounds about right. Starmer is clueless and brings that ^ on himself.
Apart from which he's still joined at the hip with Union barons on one side and Momentum loony leftists on the other.
Fortunately, these days he can't look forward to doing a Kinnock. Not taking millions of eur/gbp out of he pockets of taxpayers may become his landmark political achievement.
Have you been banned from the Boris thread?Apart from which he's still joined at the hip with Union barons on one side and Momentum loony leftists on the other.
Fortunately, these days he can't look forward to doing a Kinnock. Not taking millions of eur/gbp out of he pockets of taxpayers may become his landmark political achievement.
williamp said:
"Hopefully this will raise enough of a surplus to be able to afford a heart and guts too."LOL
williamp said:
When you become an object of ridicule, it's all over.Except Boris, who appears to be immune!
loafer123 said:
williamp said:
When you become an object of ridicule, it's all over.Except Boris, who appears to be immune!
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Boris Johnson
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Vanden Saab said:
loafer123 said:
williamp said:
When you become an object of ridicule, it's all over.Except Boris, who appears to be immune!
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Boris Johnson
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(It would be even better if it was the real Boris).
El stovey said:
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They should be miles ahead in this environment. Them polling in the 30% area whilst the Conservatives are over 40% shows just how badly they’re doing.
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Never mind what has anyone done to turbot. This surely isn't the same ES posting YouGov polls on how much more suitable everyone thinks Starmer would be as PM? They should be miles ahead in this environment. Them polling in the 30% area whilst the Conservatives are over 40% shows just how badly they’re doing.
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As it stands, Starmer has had a prolapse. There were the odd smidgens of expectation that he was doing the right things, but he has not followed through. He should have focused 100% over the last year on sorting out his party and what it stands for beyond Covid, and beyond Brexit. The first is a poisoned chalice he should simply have been thankful he didn't have to deal with and kept his head down on, and the second is over for the next term or 5 of UK govt.
Clear out the barmier part of the party and work on some decent policies that people will get behind. Do the leg work.
His big problem now is that if the vaccine is even remotely effective (and we had all better hope it is), we will have seen Johnson's weakest moment in this term.
A crisis of the scale we are going through does not play naturally to Boris' strengths. You can't bimble your way through it, laugh it off or use a great big pat on the back and a guffaw. But something like getting the vaccine rolled out to everyone, and having done the Brexit thing (no matter how many rough edges there are to it right now) plays 100% into where his game is.
Starmer still has time. But he now has a year of piss arsing about behind him and he needs to build a foundation. Right now he has nothing. Other than booting RLB out the door and if doesn't act soon, that will come back to haunt him when it shouldn't be able to.
I too would have thought that given Starmers woeful performance Boris is a shoe in for a second term. The boundary changes should see to that.
However unless the Conservatives use Boris as a fall guy for the Covid debacle they could be on a sticky wicket.
Death figures are uncomfortably high for international comparisons.
Unemployment will shoot up once furlough ends. There s an additional 1.5 million unemployed out there, they just dont know it yet.
Huge waiting lists for operations hips, knees etc ( mainly older Tory voters) and there will be large numbers of bereaved cancer patient families, and other relatives of the 4.4 million cancelled scans patients saying that Boris has blood on his hands. Then theres the patients themselves.
Then the Covid response enquiry will start. The claims of "just following the science" will prove as effective as " just following orders" was in 1946.... And there will be people like me, erstwhile solid Tory voters who just cannot bring myself to vote for these b'stards for a long, long time, if ever.
I reckon Boris and his henchmen will have to be out before the enquiry gets going. There's lots of Tory MP's who value their own seat more than loyalty to Boris.
Kier has to grab the opportunity to make to most of the Tory infighting and disquiet.
He won't because hes just a bit thick. And theres always the kneeling photo for the Tories to drag out when required. As I said. Thick.
However unless the Conservatives use Boris as a fall guy for the Covid debacle they could be on a sticky wicket.
Death figures are uncomfortably high for international comparisons.
Unemployment will shoot up once furlough ends. There s an additional 1.5 million unemployed out there, they just dont know it yet.
Huge waiting lists for operations hips, knees etc ( mainly older Tory voters) and there will be large numbers of bereaved cancer patient families, and other relatives of the 4.4 million cancelled scans patients saying that Boris has blood on his hands. Then theres the patients themselves.
Then the Covid response enquiry will start. The claims of "just following the science" will prove as effective as " just following orders" was in 1946.... And there will be people like me, erstwhile solid Tory voters who just cannot bring myself to vote for these b'stards for a long, long time, if ever.
I reckon Boris and his henchmen will have to be out before the enquiry gets going. There's lots of Tory MP's who value their own seat more than loyalty to Boris.
Kier has to grab the opportunity to make to most of the Tory infighting and disquiet.
He won't because hes just a bit thick. And theres always the kneeling photo for the Tories to drag out when required. As I said. Thick.
Tony427 said:
I too would have thought that given Starmers woeful performance Boris is a shoe in for a second term. The boundary changes should see to that.
However unless the Conservatives use Boris as a fall guy for the Covid debacle they could be on a sticky wicket.
Death figures are uncomfortably high for international comparisons.
Unemployment will shoot up once furlough ends. There s an additional 1.5 million unemployed out there, they just dont know it yet.
Huge waiting lists for operations hips, knees etc ( mainly older Tory voters) and there will be large numbers of bereaved cancer patient families, and other relatives of the 4.4 million cancelled scans patients saying that Boris has blood on his hands. Then theres the patients themselves.
Then the Covid response enquiry will start. The claims of "just following the science" will prove as effective as " just following orders" was in 1946.... And there will be people like me, erstwhile solid Tory voters who just cannot bring myself to vote for these b'stards for a long, long time, if ever.
I reckon Boris and his henchmen will have to be out before the enquiry gets going. There's lots of Tory MP's who value their own seat more than loyalty to Boris.
Kier has to grab the opportunity to make to most of the Tory infighting and disquiet.
He won't because hes just a bit thick. And theres always the kneeling photo for the Tories to drag out when required. As I said. Thick.
Just imagine if Corbyn had been PM Labour would be out for another 4-5 terms guaranteed. However unless the Conservatives use Boris as a fall guy for the Covid debacle they could be on a sticky wicket.
Death figures are uncomfortably high for international comparisons.
Unemployment will shoot up once furlough ends. There s an additional 1.5 million unemployed out there, they just dont know it yet.
Huge waiting lists for operations hips, knees etc ( mainly older Tory voters) and there will be large numbers of bereaved cancer patient families, and other relatives of the 4.4 million cancelled scans patients saying that Boris has blood on his hands. Then theres the patients themselves.
Then the Covid response enquiry will start. The claims of "just following the science" will prove as effective as " just following orders" was in 1946.... And there will be people like me, erstwhile solid Tory voters who just cannot bring myself to vote for these b'stards for a long, long time, if ever.
I reckon Boris and his henchmen will have to be out before the enquiry gets going. There's lots of Tory MP's who value their own seat more than loyalty to Boris.
Kier has to grab the opportunity to make to most of the Tory infighting and disquiet.
He won't because hes just a bit thick. And theres always the kneeling photo for the Tories to drag out when required. As I said. Thick.
Imagine too had Kier been PM from when he became leader....so far Kier has not once given anything than hindsight
Welshbeef said:
Imagine too had Kier been PM from when he became leader....so far Kier has not once given anything than hindsight
Not sure that's quite accurate, he had that whole announcement about a bond scheme, that wasn't hindsight.Bizarre thing to propose and even more odd to build it up with a big announcement. The reaction seemed strange too, like the media didn't know what where to start with it they've spent so little time looking in his direction. But still, I think there is an exception, just to prove the rule.
Murph7355 said:
Never mind what has anyone done to turbot. This surely isn't the same ES posting YouGov polls on how much more suitable everyone thinks Starmer would be as PM?
Just pointing out BOTH the good and bad (for Starmer and Boris) as it happens. Starmer was doing much better than Boris earlier in the polls and now he isn’t. It looks at the moment like he hasn’t delivered and won’t revive the Labour Party after all.
Looking purely at the individuals not their parties, I’d still rather Starmer had been managing our response to the pandemic than Boris. I wouldn’t vote labour at the moment to get him though.
When the next GE comes along, like every election, I’ll check out ALL the options and vote for which one I think will do the best job.
Starmer hasn't really started to sort out the far left element of Labour party yet. I suspect that there is quite a lot of internal opposition to him and if he does not start delivering soon pressure will grow for a change of leader.
Does anyone know what the current position with Corbyns legal action is?
Does anyone know what the current position with Corbyns legal action is?
jmn said:
Starmer hasn't really started to sort out the far left element of Labour party yet. I suspect that there is quite a lot of internal opposition to him and if he does not start delivering soon pressure will grow for a change of leader.
Does anyone know what the current position with Corbyns legal action is?
Why is he going to start sorting out the left? He was right behind Corbyn, and promised to continue with his radical plans.Does anyone know what the current position with Corbyns legal action is?
jakesmith said:
I find Starmer a far more suitable character, especially WRT his career background, to lead the country than Johnson, but he has not done a good job as leader of opposition so far IMO
This is not dissimilar to El Stovey's comment.On what basis do you (both) think Starmer is better suited?
It cannot be on functionally material matters as you both note, in essence, he's done fq all other than a poor job. It's not like sorting the Labour Party out, being good opposition or actually having polickes/an opinion is harder than being PM right now
So is it perceptions on moral standing? His hair? His gait? His accent?
Murph7355 said:
jakesmith said:
I find Starmer a far more suitable character, especially WRT his career background, to lead the country than Johnson, but he has not done a good job as leader of opposition so far IMO
This is not dissimilar to El Stovey's comment.On what basis do you (both) think Starmer is better suited?
It cannot be on functionally material matters as you both note, in essence, he's done fq all other than a poor job. It's not like sorting the Labour Party out, being good opposition or actually having polickes/an opinion is harder than being PM right now
So is it perceptions on moral standing? His hair? His gait? His accent?
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