Can Sir Keir Starmer revive the Labour Party?
Discussion
Boringvolvodriver said:
Agree - what makes it worse is how Labour are attempting to smear the guy by saying he was using “misinformation” - no he wasn’t. However, many intellectually challenged people won’t bother to look at the actual footage and will go along believing it all.
Did you see Dr Hilary (GMB) attack him (barely letting the guy speak) and pulling out “Brazil!” And “India!” As some kind of argument for lockdown. He also equates questioning lockdown with denying the virus 
The media are absolutely shameful with this. Their allegiance is with a narrative, and a hugely flawed narrative at that.
https://twitter.com/gmb/status/1384387147143294982...
markyb_lcy said:
Did you see Dr Hilary (GMB) attack him (barely letting the guy speak) and pulling out “Brazil!” And “India!” As some kind of argument for lockdown. He also equates questioning lockdown with denying the virus
The media are absolutely shameful with this. Their allegiance is with a narrative, and a hugely flawed narrative at that.
https://twitter.com/gmb/status/1384387147143294982...
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/familyhealth/dr-hilary-jones-schools-pub-landlord-who-told-keir-starmer-to-get-out-of-my-pub/ar-BB1fQbLy?ocid=msedgntpThe media are absolutely shameful with this. Their allegiance is with a narrative, and a hugely flawed narrative at that.
https://twitter.com/gmb/status/1384387147143294982...
I have no idea what Indy100 is but this just popped up when I opened a new tab. Dr Hilary apparently 'schooled' him. Not what I saw but whatever.
Regardless, the landlord has shown fairly clearly that he is comfortable with what he said, and this incident sure as hell isn't going to harm his business (quite the opposite I would have thought), which is an incredibly popular pub as it is.
Good on him. The 'covid denier' slurs are absolutely pathetic, but it is exactly where we are. If you show concerns about any of the actions of the past 12 months then you are a conspiracy nutjob, you are spreading 'dangerous misinformation', you are a covid denier etc etc. It's great to see someone like this landlord, who doesn't seem to care!
Sway said:
If I were really so interested in 'protecting my principle' (yeah, I know the colour of the boathouse doors in Hereford... 
) - I'd have intervened to stop him going into the pub when there's clearly heightened emotions and confusion about exactly who is who and what the bloody hell is going on!
I've been clear my criticism of his intervention - he didn't separate sufficiently, and he didn't take the direct route on level ground. He threw down stairs. That could have ended very, very differently and protection officer or not could have been facing a manslaughter charge very easily - backwards down stairs rarely ends well, especially what appear to be old wooden ones.
I'm aware you don't use that language - I've also come to the same conclusion. My point is that I've seen you regularly and directly pull others up for their language, but not this time...
And that's probably fair but as I don't know the colour of the boathouse doors in Hereford I'll defer to the protection officer until I hear otherwise.) - I'd have intervened to stop him going into the pub when there's clearly heightened emotions and confusion about exactly who is who and what the bloody hell is going on!I've been clear my criticism of his intervention - he didn't separate sufficiently, and he didn't take the direct route on level ground. He threw down stairs. That could have ended very, very differently and protection officer or not could have been facing a manslaughter charge very easily - backwards down stairs rarely ends well, especially what appear to be old wooden ones.
I'm aware you don't use that language - I've also come to the same conclusion. My point is that I've seen you regularly and directly pull others up for their language, but not this time...
Doesn't look good but let's see if any action is taken.
On the language I've literally just re-read the last six or seven pages.
If you mean the reference to a "mentally ill covid denier" then I agree that's a dumb thing to say but if we're getting into the game where every daft comment has to be picked up I think they're going to need a bigger forum.
Claptonian said:
markyb_lcy said:
Did you see Dr Hilary (GMB) attack him (barely letting the guy speak) and pulling out “Brazil!” And “India!” As some kind of argument for lockdown. He also equates questioning lockdown with denying the virus
The media are absolutely shameful with this. Their allegiance is with a narrative, and a hugely flawed narrative at that.
https://twitter.com/gmb/status/1384387147143294982...
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/familyhealth/dr-hilary-jones-schools-pub-landlord-who-told-keir-starmer-to-get-out-of-my-pub/ar-BB1fQbLy?ocid=msedgntpThe media are absolutely shameful with this. Their allegiance is with a narrative, and a hugely flawed narrative at that.
https://twitter.com/gmb/status/1384387147143294982...
I have no idea what Indy100 is but this just popped up when I opened a new tab. Dr Hilary apparently 'schooled' him. Not what I saw but whatever.
Regardless, the landlord has shown fairly clearly that he is comfortable with what he said, and this incident sure as hell isn't going to harm his business (quite the opposite I would have thought), which is an incredibly popular pub as it is.
Good on him. The 'covid denier' slurs are absolutely pathetic, but it is exactly where we are. If you show concerns about any of the actions of the past 12 months then you are a conspiracy nutjob, you are spreading 'dangerous misinformation', you are a covid denier etc etc. It's great to see someone like this landlord, who doesn't seem to care!
The idea Shillary “schooled him” - by shamefully dropping India, Brazil, dead babies and Prince Philip is just laughable. “They” are getting desperate.
markyb_lcy said:
HappyClappy said:
The pub landlord spoke on behalf of what I believe is the silent majority who look on at these last 13 months in complete dismay at what has happened to our country all over a slightly worse than usual cold virus.
I hold the government responsible but the complete lack of any opposition makes SirKneel complicit.
I would do the same or worse if I came across Boris, Hancock, Gove etc as this landlord did as quite frankly I consider them all total scum.
We so desperately need a viable opposition to these globalist lackeys.
Spot on I hold the government responsible but the complete lack of any opposition makes SirKneel complicit.
I would do the same or worse if I came across Boris, Hancock, Gove etc as this landlord did as quite frankly I consider them all total scum.
We so desperately need a viable opposition to these globalist lackeys.
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: And that's probably fair but as I don't know the colour of the boathouse doors in Hereford I'll defer to the protection officer until I hear otherwise.
Doesn't look good but let's see if any action is taken.
On the language I've literally just re-read the last six or seven pages.
If you mean the reference to a "mentally ill covid denier" then I agree that's a dumb thing to say but if we're getting into the game where every daft comment has to be picked up I think they're going to need a bigger forum.
Fair point - and I apologise. I dug into you like a dog with a bone purely based off prior disagreements, and that's not fair.Doesn't look good but let's see if any action is taken.
On the language I've literally just re-read the last six or seven pages.
If you mean the reference to a "mentally ill covid denier" then I agree that's a dumb thing to say but if we're getting into the game where every daft comment has to be picked up I think they're going to need a bigger forum.
Especially as a lot is driven by me operating on 2 hours kip thanks to some utter incompetence at work by people I unfortunately need to pander and kowtow to instead of really letting my frustrations known. No excuse - I've let myself down with those posts 'at' you.
oyster said:
So you both think that politicians are deliberately following unpopular policies on Covid - risking their core votes at the next general election?
Politicians ARE deliberately following whatever policies they’re following on covid, yes.Whether those policies are popular or unpopular is a matter of opinion.
Would it be the first time politicians follow a policy they *think* is popular but actually isn’t? (If indeed that’s the case).
If we look at yougov polls, the country basically wants CCP style communism, locked borders forever, masks forever and a vaccine passport to go to the pub
What I mean is ... no, I don’t believe they’re intentionally following a policy they believe to be unpopular. I believe, that they believe, that these policies are popular. I believe these policies were popular, but they are becoming progressively more unpopular as our covid numbers grind to a halt, jabs are put in arms, and people’s normal everyday lives are still on hold.
Edited by markyb_lcy on Tuesday 20th April 10:08
HappyClappy said:
The pub landlord spoke on behalf of what I believe is the silent majority who look on at these last 13 months in complete dismay at what has happened to our country all over a slightly worse than usual cold virus.
I hold the government responsible but the complete lack of any opposition makes SirKneel complicit.
I would do the same or worse if I came across Boris, Hancock, Gove etc as this landlord did as quite frankly I consider them all total scum.
We so desperately need a viable opposition to these globalist lackeys.
What about the other silent majority that believe the opposite of your silent majority?I hold the government responsible but the complete lack of any opposition makes SirKneel complicit.
I would do the same or worse if I came across Boris, Hancock, Gove etc as this landlord did as quite frankly I consider them all total scum.
We so desperately need a viable opposition to these globalist lackeys.
Agreed about the lack of an effective opposition, just allows the nasty party to become even more venal and corrupt.
SunsetZed said:
anonymoususer said:
The Pub guy comes across as a loon to me
I am in two minds about whether to have him dealt with via the nice option of sending in Jess "Future Leader" Phillips in to chat with him
OR
spreading rumours that he waters down his beer and his kitchen area has rats
Please don't do either, it's a good pub that is the highlight of my rugby watching days in Bath currently given the current state of the team!I am in two minds about whether to have him dealt with via the nice option of sending in Jess "Future Leader" Phillips in to chat with him
OR
spreading rumours that he waters down his beer and his kitchen area has rats
Sway said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: And that's probably fair but as I don't know the colour of the boathouse doors in Hereford I'll defer to the protection officer until I hear otherwise.
Doesn't look good but let's see if any action is taken.
On the language I've literally just re-read the last six or seven pages.
If you mean the reference to a "mentally ill covid denier" then I agree that's a dumb thing to say but if we're getting into the game where every daft comment has to be picked up I think they're going to need a bigger forum.
Fair point - and I apologise. I dug into you like a dog with a bone purely based off prior disagreements, and that's not fair.Doesn't look good but let's see if any action is taken.
On the language I've literally just re-read the last six or seven pages.
If you mean the reference to a "mentally ill covid denier" then I agree that's a dumb thing to say but if we're getting into the game where every daft comment has to be picked up I think they're going to need a bigger forum.
Especially as a lot is driven by me operating on 2 hours kip thanks to some utter incompetence at work by people I unfortunately need to pander and kowtow to instead of really letting my frustrations known. No excuse - I've let myself down with those posts 'at' you.
People get dug in it's one of the things that fascinates me about human nature. I'm sure I do it myself where Johnson is concerned but if it's any kind of excuse he is actually in charge of something so probably warrants a bit more scrutiny than someone in charge of pretty much f
k all.The Starmer incident yesterday typifies two things about our politicians today, whichever party they represent:
- the disdain they have for members of the public, "I don't need lectures from you" sounds similar to Gordon Brown's "what an awful woman". In fact they don't even respect one another; remember Angela Rayner's "Tory scum" or Matt Hancock's "watch your tone" sneers? Today's politicians seem to have forgotten that they serve the public, not the other way round.
- the use of social media and even force to smear and discredit anyone who disagrees with them. You question covid policy? "You're a covid denier". Concerns about the vaccines? "Antivaxx loon, citizen". There's no rational debate, no middle ground. Want to express your views to an uninvited politician? You get pushed down your own stairs.
Brave Fart said:
The Starmer incident yesterday typifies two things about our politicians today, whichever party they represent:
But they don't though, do they? "They work for us" - no they don't. That's just a "pretty lie".- the disdain they have for members of the public, "I don't need lectures from you" sounds similar to Gordon Brown's "what an awful woman". In fact they don't even respect one another; remember Angela Rayner's "Tory scum" or Matt Hancock's "watch your tone" sneers? Today's politicians seem to have forgotten that they serve the public, not the other way round.
- the use of social media and even force to smear and discredit anyone who disagrees with them. You question covid policy? "You're a covid denier". Concerns about the vaccines? "Antivaxx loon, citizen". There's no rational debate, no middle ground. Want to express your views to an uninvited politician? You get pushed down your own stairs.
If you work for someone and don't do what they ask, you get the sack. If an MP doesn't do what his voters want, he will probably keep his job. Even if he is replaced, it will probably be with someone who supports the same policies (whatever their manifesto says).
If you ask your boss to do something and he refuses, you have no comeback. If MPs collectively ask (well, order actually) you to do something and you refuse, you go to jail.
So who works for whom?
Misanthrope said:
But they don't though, do they? "They work for us" - no they don't. That's just a "pretty lie".
If you work for someone and don't do what they ask, you get the sack. If an MP doesn't do what his voters want, he will probably keep his job. Even if he is replaced, it will probably be with someone who supports the same policies (whatever their manifesto says).
If you ask your boss to do something and he refuses, you have no comeback. If MPs collectively ask (well, order actually) you to do something and you refuse, you go to jail.
So who works for whom?
Looking at the number of anti-brexit MPs who lost their jobs at the last election it would seem that this is not entirely the case... If you work for someone and don't do what they ask, you get the sack. If an MP doesn't do what his voters want, he will probably keep his job. Even if he is replaced, it will probably be with someone who supports the same policies (whatever their manifesto says).
If you ask your boss to do something and he refuses, you have no comeback. If MPs collectively ask (well, order actually) you to do something and you refuse, you go to jail.
So who works for whom?
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