Can Sir Keir Starmer revive the Labour Party?
Discussion
Misanthrope said:
If you work for someone and don't do what they ask, you get the sack.
If you work for thousands of people, all having an equal say in whether you're employed, it becomes a little more complex. Especially when some want to employ you irrespective of what you do, some want to fire you irrespective of what you do, and a large proportion never turn up to the hiring and firing meeting anyway.I understand your point; democracy isn't perfect. But I maintain that they do "work for us". As the Red Wall Labour MP's found out last time around. And as Labour MP Fiona Onasanya discovered when she gained a criminal conviction. And, to be fair, there are some good constituency MP's who work hard for their local citizens.
The government and the shadow government have lost sight of the relationship between them and the electorate. They treat us with disdain and act in a superior, selfish manner. Keir Starmer is no different to the rest of them, in my opinion. The problem is there's no-one worth voting for at present.
The government and the shadow government have lost sight of the relationship between them and the electorate. They treat us with disdain and act in a superior, selfish manner. Keir Starmer is no different to the rest of them, in my opinion. The problem is there's no-one worth voting for at present.
CrutyRammers said:
Even Guido is taking Starmer's side on this. The narrative of covid is very strong, clearly. Far more so than climate change even.
Guido has been firmly on the inside of the system since 2010 - when push comes to shove he knows which side to support. The lack of any real breaking news or strong views on anything in years is a clue, as is his undisguised contempt for his readership. The staff just see it as a stepping stone to another political news job so aren't going to rock the boat either.
Ignore him and his lackeys for any sort of political news whichever side of the fence you're on.
CrutyRammers said:
Even Guido is taking Starmer's side on this. The narrative of covid is very strong, clearly. Far more so than climate change even.
Guido is an establishment shill, but even this is surprising.TBF what could those tories that are still happy (there can’t be many) want more than a useless opposition?!
pquinn said:
CrutyRammers said:
Even Guido is taking Starmer's side on this. The narrative of covid is very strong, clearly. Far more so than climate change even.
Guido has been firmly on the inside of the system since 2010 - when push comes to shove he knows which side to support. The lack of any real breaking news or strong views on anything in years is a clue, as is his undisguised contempt for his readership. The staff just see it as a stepping stone to another political news job so aren't going to rock the boat either.
Ignore him and his lackeys for any sort of political news whichever side of the fence you're on.
Triumph Man said:
SunsetZed said:
anonymoususer said:
The Pub guy comes across as a loon to me
I am in two minds about whether to have him dealt with via the nice option of sending in Jess "Future Leader" Phillips in to chat with him
OR
spreading rumours that he waters down his beer and his kitchen area has rats
Please don't do either, it's a good pub that is the highlight of my rugby watching days in Bath currently given the current state of the team!I am in two minds about whether to have him dealt with via the nice option of sending in Jess "Future Leader" Phillips in to chat with him
OR
spreading rumours that he waters down his beer and his kitchen area has rats
Last time I was there was in December (obviously not more recently), and the other owner greeted myself and my two friends. We spread out a bit as those were the rules, but he came over and told us to sit at the same table and not worry about it. So not exactly a lockdown fanatic himself! Distanced himself from it all now though!
In fact, when I shared the story to those friends on Facebook then we made plans to go back as soon as we can.
InitialDave said:
If you work for thousands of people, all having an equal say in whether you're employed, it becomes a little more complex. Especially when some want to employ you irrespective of what you do, some want to fire you irrespective of what you do, and a large proportion never turn up to the hiring and firing meeting anyway.
Nicely put 
Has anyone else seen the GMB interview with the publican (it popped up on youtube). IMO one of the most disgraceful interviews I've seen. Whether you agree with him or not all he's doing is airing his opinion & asking questions, and yet during an 11 minute interview Dr Hilary Jones told him he should "stick to pouring pints" (not patronising in the least), called him ageist, somehow brought Prince Philip into it & then some other tin pot journalist was allowed to call him a conspiracy theorist (no surprise there) & a Covidiot - while the publican just had to sit there & listen to it
markyb_lcy said:
oyster said:
So you both think that politicians are deliberately following unpopular policies on Covid - risking their core votes at the next general election?
Politicians ARE deliberately following whatever policies they’re following on covid, yes.Whether those policies are popular or unpopular is a matter of opinion.
Would it be the first time politicians follow a policy they *think* is popular but actually isn’t? (If indeed that’s the case).
If we look at yougov polls, the country basically wants CCP style communism, locked borders forever, masks forever and a vaccine passport to go to the pub
What I mean is ... no, I don’t believe they’re intentionally following a policy they believe to be unpopular. I believe, that they believe, that these policies are popular. I believe these policies were popular, but they are becoming progressively more unpopular as our covid numbers grind to a halt, jabs are put in arms, and people’s normal everyday lives are still on hold.
Edited by markyb_lcy on Tuesday 20th April 10:08
My response was more aimed at Happy Clapper who claims to represent the view of a silent majority (despite being neither silent nor a majority) - and then signs off with an infantil comment about this being only like a slightly worse cold.
Choppers said:
Has anyone else seen the GMB interview with the publican (it popped up on youtube). IMO one of the most disgraceful interviews I've seen. Whether you agree with him or not all he's doing is airing his opinion & asking questions, and yet during an 11 minute interview Dr Hilary Jones told him he should "stick to pouring pints" (not patronising in the least), called him ageist, somehow brought Prince Philip into it & then some other tin pot journalist was allowed to call him a conspiracy theorist (no surprise there) & a Covidiot - while the publican just had to sit there & listen to it
Yes it was uncomfortable viewing. At the risk of being labelled a snowflake - it did come across as them ganging up on him and almost teasing him. It was very distasteful.Fortunately, the landlord comes across as really not giving two hoots what people think of him!
Claptonian said:
Choppers said:
Has anyone else seen the GMB interview with the publican (it popped up on youtube). IMO one of the most disgraceful interviews I've seen. Whether you agree with him or not all he's doing is airing his opinion & asking questions, and yet during an 11 minute interview Dr Hilary Jones told him he should "stick to pouring pints" (not patronising in the least), called him ageist, somehow brought Prince Philip into it & then some other tin pot journalist was allowed to call him a conspiracy theorist (no surprise there) & a Covidiot - while the publican just had to sit there & listen to it
Yes it was uncomfortable viewing. At the risk of being labelled a snowflake - it did come across as them ganging up on him and almost teasing him. It was very distasteful.Fortunately, the landlord comes across as really not giving two hoots what people think of him!
Who'd have thought Piers Morgan wasn't to be the low watermark of this programme.....
Mark Benson said:
Claptonian said:
Choppers said:
Has anyone else seen the GMB interview with the publican (it popped up on youtube). IMO one of the most disgraceful interviews I've seen. Whether you agree with him or not all he's doing is airing his opinion & asking questions, and yet during an 11 minute interview Dr Hilary Jones told him he should "stick to pouring pints" (not patronising in the least), called him ageist, somehow brought Prince Philip into it & then some other tin pot journalist was allowed to call him a conspiracy theorist (no surprise there) & a Covidiot - while the publican just had to sit there & listen to it
Yes it was uncomfortable viewing. At the risk of being labelled a snowflake - it did come across as them ganging up on him and almost teasing him. It was very distasteful.Fortunately, the landlord comes across as really not giving two hoots what people think of him!
Who'd have thought Piers Morgan wasn't to be the low watermark of this programme.....
Andrew Lawrence sums up everyone's thoughts perfectly as usual 
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https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=285138123285221
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBL7a0F1hUE
...https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=285138123285221
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBL7a0F1hUE
pquinn said:
CrutyRammers said:
Even Guido is taking Starmer's side on this. The narrative of covid is very strong, clearly. Far more so than climate change even.
Guido has been firmly on the inside of the system since 2010 - when push comes to shove he knows which side to support. The lack of any real breaking news or strong views on anything in years is a clue, as is his undisguised contempt for his readership. The staff just see it as a stepping stone to another political news job so aren't going to rock the boat either.
Ignore him and his lackeys for any sort of political news whichever side of the fence you're on.
Choppers said:
Has anyone else seen the GMB interview with the publican (it popped up on youtube). IMO one of the most disgraceful interviews I've seen. Whether you agree with him or not all he's doing is airing his opinion & asking questions, and yet during an 11 minute interview Dr Hilary Jones told him he should "stick to pouring pints" (not patronising in the least), called him ageist, somehow brought Prince Philip into it & then some other tin pot journalist was allowed to call him a conspiracy theorist (no surprise there) & a Covidiot - while the publican just had to sit there & listen to it
India, Brazil, dead babies and Prince Philip all in about 30 secs of ranting. As you say, disgraceful. (I commented about it and linked to the interview further back on the thread).One of the best examples yet of how feverishly the media are sticking to the govt’s chosen narrative.
We are in big trouble in this country.
Lotobear said:
Just watched Starmer (call me 'Keir' by the way) on the party political broadcast this evening.
He comes over as lacking in any sort of conviction and, to be blunt, a total phoney.
We truly are f
ked as a country it would seem
It was a triumphant appearance and showed us what drives KeirHe comes over as lacking in any sort of conviction and, to be blunt, a total phoney.
We truly are f
ked as a country it would seemI expect that some will criticise it as being an old one. Primarily because Keir is in a winter overcoat with a scarf on
Obviously it was filmed last week when it was colder but its not at all important
The winter coat and scarf should be thought of as visual metaphors. They are there to represent protection against unforgiving mean and relentless coldness that all conservatives emanate.
In the broadcast Keir mentions his mother and then its on to what drives him. I am sure some Pistonheader's would have loved him to say a Jaguar E Type or some other classic vehicle and that's maybe the type of answer you may get from Mr Johnson. Keir isn't like that Keir is serious because the country is in the grip of serious problems .
If you want jokes from a Labour Personality then Eddie Izzard is your man Keir means business and that means being serious
The fact that Keir says things like ordinary people worried about the state of the NHS is just the kind of thing we need to hear more of
The NHS is always in trouble when the tories are in power fortunately Labour managed to sort it all out when they came to power in 1997 and within months it was all ok. Now look what has happened since
So its very good that Keir mentions the NHS Personally I wish he had mentioned the growth of food banks and the high amount of housewives who are on Universal Credit turning to prostitution in order to feed their families but maybe Keir is saving that one up. Perhaps he was mindful of the broadcast time of the broadcast and thought it may be awkward if thousands of children watching asked their parents what a prostitute is
This was an excellent broadcast and I believe in years to come it will be regarded as a pivotal point that put Really New Labour on the path to victory
I say jolly well done Kier
anonymoususer said:
This was an excellent broadcast and I believe in years to come it will be regarded as a pivotal point that put Really New Labour on the path to victory
"The path to victory" being behind in the polls, irrelevant to virtually everyone and no better placed to do any better than their last catastrophic election defeat? Funny path to victory.
Trackdayer said:
anonymoususer said:
This was an excellent broadcast and I believe in years to come it will be regarded as a pivotal point that put Really New Labour on the path to victory
"The path to victory" being behind in the polls, irrelevant to virtually everyone and no better placed to do any better than their last catastrophic election defeat? Funny path to victory.
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