Would you install and use an NHS Covid tracking app?

[Carl_Manchester]

I don’t know if it was posted but here is the announcement by the Australian government for a new digital vaccine passport system and linking that to the track and trace system.

https://twitter.com/tracewtf/status/13176451418012...

[Road2Ruin]

rxe said:

If you don’t give them access, then it’s 2 years inside. Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act (2000).

I think you need to take your tin foil hat off. Whilst the police 'can' seize your phone they can only do so with 'reasonable grounds that an offence has been committed'. They CANNOT just stop you in the street and ask to look at your phone. Even if they could, why would they want to? How many people are there in the UK? How many phones could the reasonably seize, search and then prosecute??
I think you are looking for an excuse for the sake of looking for an excuse. How often have you been stopped for using your phone while driving? ...No, me neither, and I think more people do that than any offence to do with covid-19.

[Tom _M]

I'm not sure what exactly the Test & Trace people are actually doing at the moment. The other half was out with some other mums & toddlers, and one of the children tested positive a few days later. Their parent called T&T and gave the names/numbers of who they were with. They were there on Fri 9th, and so far no-one has actually had a call or message of any sort from them advising them to isolate. So if hadn't actually known directly from the parent that their child was positive then could have been going about normal business for well over a week now in a potentially infectious state. And that's when they're directly being given the direct details of who was around them, so god knows what else they're actually missing.

[rxe]

Road2Ruin said:

I think you need to take your tin foil hat off. Whilst the police 'can' seize your phone they can only do so with 'reasonable grounds that an offence has been committed'. They CANNOT just stop you in the street and ask to look at your phone. Even if they could, why would they want to? How many people are there in the UK? How many phones could the reasonably seize, search and then prosecute??
I think you are looking for an excuse for the sake of looking for an excuse. How often have you been stopped for using your phone while driving? ...No, me neither, and I think more people do that than any offence to do with covid-19.

Absolutely, reasonable grounds. Like an RTA. Were you fiddling with your phone ... no, but you should be isolating. Ding! Or quite frankly any random law introduced during this pandemic with sod all scrutiny. After all what could be more important than a pandemic?

I wouldn’t take the slightest notice of what it told me, so I see no point in installing it. My worries are mainly about scope creep and what it could be used for in Version 2.

[davhill]

dundarach said:

I read it too: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54586897

Thank you.

[davhill]

i4got said:

Did you read this bit in the article?

"Police will not have access to data from the NHS Covid-19 app. The app is anonymous so the government does not know who has been sent instructions to self-isolate."

And you believe that? best of luck.

[anonymous-user]

davhill said:

And you believe that? best of luck.

I do believe it and I don't believe either Google or Apple will cave on the privacy aspect.

[bitchstewie]

davhill said:

i4got said:

Did you read this bit in the article?

"Police will not have access to data from the NHS Covid-19 app. The app is anonymous so the government does not know who has been sent instructions to self-isolate."

And you believe that? best of luck.

Yes.

Apple and Google had done it that way be design and the code for the NHS app is open source so anyone can scrutinize it.

Keep saying things like "best of luck" doesn't change the facts.

[bitchstewie]

And just to reinforce the point.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-54599320

Cue "well they would say that wouldn't they..."

[pip t]

davhill said:

And you believe that? best of luck.

Sigh. I believe the evidence for that, yes.

[Road2Ruin]

rxe said:

Road2Ruin said:

I think you need to take your tin foil hat off. Whilst the police 'can' seize your phone they can only do so with 'reasonable grounds that an offence has been committed'. They CANNOT just stop you in the street and ask to look at your phone. Even if they could, why would they want to? How many people are there in the UK? How many phones could the reasonably seize, search and then prosecute??
I think you are looking for an excuse for the sake of looking for an excuse. How often have you been stopped for using your phone while driving? ...No, me neither, and I think more people do that than any offence to do with covid-19.

Absolutely, reasonable grounds. Like an RTA. Were you fiddling with your phone ... no, but you should be isolating. Ding! Or quite frankly any random law introduced during this pandemic with sod all scrutiny. After all what could be more important than a pandemic?

I wouldn’t take the slightest notice of what it told me, so I see no point in installing it. My worries are mainly about scope creep and what it could be used for in Version 2.

How do they know you should be isolating? I think you are trying to invent some improbable scenario to justify your argument. If the police knew who you were and knew you should be self isolating, I don't think they would require your phone to prosecute you anyway, they clearly have the info already.

[Sheets Tabuer]

Woke up to an alert this morning saying I've been exposed.

Followed by one an hour later saying our mistake, carry on as you were..

[grumbledoak]

The EU tracking apps are joining forces
https://uk.movies.yahoo.com/eu-switches-cross-bord...

We're probably not joining, but who knows what tomorrow brings.

[Ntv]

Road2Ruin said:

rxe said:

If you don’t give them access, then it’s 2 years inside. Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act (2000).

I think you need to take your tin foil hat off. Whilst the police 'can' seize your phone they can only do so with 'reasonable grounds that an offence has been committed'. They CANNOT just stop you in the street and ask to look at your phone. Even if they could, why would they want to? How many people are there in the UK? How many phones could the reasonably seize, search and then prosecute??
I think you are looking for an excuse for the sake of looking for an excuse. How often have you been stopped for using your phone while driving? ...No, me neither, and I think more people do that than any offence to do with covid-19.

But then again the Government haven’t destroyed the economy, shut down schools, caused huge amounts of misery and ill health for driving offences

The key point here is do not trust the Government. They can and do change law on a whim without opposition all in the name of stopping the virus

[Ntv]

bhstewie said:

And just to reinforce the point.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-54599320

Cue "well they would say that wouldn't they..."

BBC told to run article to clarify.

Government will do what they want until there is opposition to stop them.

No sense in taking a risk with an app that is undermined by asymptomatic cases anyway

[glazbagun]

Sheets Tabuer said:

Woke up to an alert this morning saying I've been exposed.

Followed by one an hour later saying our mistake, carry on as you were..

Was it this?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-54522438

[stevensdrs]

glazbagun said:

Sheets Tabuer said:

Woke up to an alert this morning saying I've been exposed.

Followed by one an hour later saying our mistake, carry on as you were..

Was it this?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-54522438

Jesus wept. I implore everyone who has downloaded this st app to delete it asap. At best it is not fit for purpose and at worst another project fear tool for the Government to increase the hysteria.

[Road2Ruin]

stevensdrs said:

Jesus wept. I implore everyone who has downloaded this st app to delete it asap. At best it is not fit for purpose and at worst another project fear tool for the Government to increase the hysteria.

'Jesus wept' you say.....'implore' you say...'st app' you say....'project fear' you say....hmmm
..that's pretty hysterical. Have you often wondered who exactly is hysterical?

[stevensdrs]

Road2Ruin said:

stevensdrs said:

Jesus wept. I implore everyone who has downloaded this st app to delete it asap. At best it is not fit for purpose and at worst another project fear tool for the Government to increase the hysteria.

'Jesus wept' you say.....'implore' you say...'st app' you say....'project fear' you say....hmmm
..that's pretty hysterical. Have you often wondered who exactly is hysterical?

Perhaps not you friend but there are many who are afraid to leave their house. Ask your Barber how business is and how many of his pensioner customers have dropped off his list.

[glazbagun]

stevensdrs said:

glazbagun said:

Sheets Tabuer said:

Woke up to an alert this morning saying I've been exposed.

Followed by one an hour later saying our mistake, carry on as you were..

Was it this?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-54522438

Jesus wept. I implore everyone who has downloaded this st app to delete it asap. At best it is not fit for purpose and at worst another project fear tool for the Government to increase the hysteria.

I've downloaded it. I'm pretty chill.