Would you install and use an NHS Covid tracking app?

[bitchstewie]

edh said:

Similar confusion (but less panic) on my wife's book group whatsapp...

That's why getting it right first time was important. Confidence lost.

To be fair that isn't about the Government or an App.

That's just about the reaction people have to an operating system update from Apple or Google.

It's hysterical.

[V1nce Fox]

pip t said:

Mr E said:

The information on the screen is completely clear IMHO. If the user can’t understand that, then they wont understand or even listen to a briefing of more than 5 words.

Again. I have read the technical description of the data captured with the google-Apple code. I have pretty much zero privacy concerns if it’s implemented correctly.

I do have concerns that people will report Covid symptoms “for a laugh” resulting in false alarms.

As I understand it the new A/G one will only use confirmed test results, not self assessment of symptoms, to trigger alerts. Though I can’t now find where I read that.

I take your point on the information in the settings screen, but from what you’ve said about reading the tech descriptions, you, like me are coming at this from a reasonable degree of technical knowledge. For a huge amount of people, the settings on their phone isn’t somewhere they frequently go, and they simply don’t know anything about how it all works. I don’t blame them for that by the way, it’s simply not interesting to a lot of people.

A simple factual presentation at the briefing showing things like:

- You can turn this on and off, and this is how
- You have to install the app, we can’t do it remotely
- No data gets sent anywhere out of your control
- G/A don’t get any data from it other than the fact that you’ve downloaded it

would go a long way to solving the potential uptake problem, provided it’s someone with credibility presenting it.

they keep getting rid of all the credible ones.


In other news I may finally get a mask. I'm going to have one with Matt Hancock's fking face printed on it so I can march up and down the street with an unqualified sense of authority making up any old bks I like.

I hope that 's next st is a porcupine. The .

[pip t]

don’t hold back!

[V1nce Fox]

I just watched his smug face getting a grilling off jolly hockey sticks Ridge on sky news. The fking smarmy wker nearly pulled a muscle with the mental gymnastics attempt at walking back and diverting all the fk ups they've made so far. At one point he actually said there'll be a time for these questions later.

This from the people who bought you such classics as "Stay put, Dom, they'll have forgotten in a week" and "Do as you're fking told, you livestock rabble".

[Mr E]

pip t said:

<sensible stuff>

Good points.
I’d be interested to know how the “I’ve got it” Phase works. Some form of code you have to enter that’s supplied to you?

[pip t]

Mr E said:

Good points.
I’d be interested to know how the “I’ve got it” Phase works. Some form of code you have to enter that’s supplied to you?

Much like the 2FA codes you get as I understand it - they text/ email you a one time code that you enter into the app and it validates it. Or the code is given to you with a positive test result I guess.

[bitchstewie]

pip t said:

Much like the 2FA codes you get as I understand it - they text/ email you a one time code that you enter into the app and it validates it.

Aha! Thanks for that. I was wondering myself what happens when some little st decides to tell the app they have it then goes on a tube ride for sts and giggles.

[Mr E]

pip t said:

Much like the 2FA codes you get as I understand it - they text/ email you a one time code that you enter into the app and it validates it. Or the code is given to you with a positive test result I guess.

Eminently sensible. I’m sure the NHSx developers will manage to fk it up somehow.

[pequod]

bhstewie said:

pip t said:

Much like the 2FA codes you get as I understand it - they text/ email you a one time code that you enter into the app and it validates it.

Aha! Thanks for that. I was wondering myself what happens when some little st decides to tell the app they have it then goes on a tube ride for sts and giggles.

And what's to stop them doing that after a positive test/validation code, if so minded?

[pip t]

bhstewie said:

pip t said:

Much like the 2FA codes you get as I understand it - they text/ email you a one time code that you enter into the app and it validates it.

Aha! Thanks for that. I was wondering myself what happens when some little st decides to tell the app they have it then goes on a tube ride for sts and giggles.

Don't hold me to that - just what I've gleaned from how other countries using the G/A system do it. And I'm morally certain I read somewhere in all the coverage that that was how ours was going to go now as well, but I can't now find where I read it... That system is used precisely to mitigate the 'little st on the tube' scenario.

[bitchstewie]

pequod said:

And what's to stop them doing that after a positive test/validation code, if so minded?

Nothing of course.

You'd hope both situations would be a very small number but if you need a code that sounds like it would be an even smaller number.

You can't fix everything with technology.

[pip t]

pequod said:

And what's to stop them doing that after a positive test/validation code, if so minded?

The requirement to self isolate for 14 days. Though I freely admit that relies largely on good will and law abiding people......what could possibly go wrong?!

[pequod]

pip t said:

pequod said:

And what's to stop them doing that after a positive test/validation code, if so minded?

The requirement to self isolate for 14 days. Though I freely admit that relies largely on good will and law abiding people......what could possibly go wrong?!

Indeed!

Or another scenario whereby you livelihood is dependent on your ability to continue working and with no financial help for the 14 days isolation (possibly longer if symptoms persist) one can imagine a few would still be compelled to go about their daily business.

[Jasandjules]

pip t said:

pequod said:

And what's to stop them doing that after a positive test/validation code, if so minded?

The requirement to self isolate for 14 days. Though I freely admit that relies largely on good will and law abiding people......what could possibly go wrong?!

They could all drive to Durham?

[edh]

bhstewie said:

edh said:

Similar confusion (but less panic) on my wife's book group whatsapp...

That's why getting it right first time was important. Confidence lost.

To be fair that isn't about the Government or an App.

That's just about the reaction people have to an operating system update from Apple or Google.

It's hysterical.

I think people think its "the app" that has somehow been snuck onto their phones

[pip t]

This kind of st really doesn’t help...

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-new...

article headline said:

Your phone already has a coronavirus tracer - that you didn’t know had been installed

Edited by pip t on Sunday 21st June 20:15

[Zirconia]

^^^^
Just had a look at the owners then through to other publications. Admittedly wiki but if it is correct, the usual suspects.

[M4cruiser]

Welshbeef said:

If you have an iPhone go to settings,privacy, health.

Then what do you see? Covid19 exposure logging (but turned off).

This was auto installed on android and iPhones this week a forced update. You cannot turn the logging on or off its blocked out.

This is nanny state and enforced tracking.

Not on my Android, it's too old I bet.
Any info on minimum version to get this update?

[pip t]

M4cruiser said:

Not on my Android, it's too old I bet.
Any info on minimum version to get this update?

Should work back to Android 6 - I can’t remember what funky name that had....Marshmallow?!

Interestingly I did come across an article just now about Android/ Google’s ability to push this kind of update to phones through Play Services with no user interaction, rather than a software update. Though it didn’t state whether this had happened on this occasion. So for Androiders at least, it is possible that this just ‘appeared’ on their phone. Pretty sure my Android handset did it through a normal update that I pressed install on.....so pretty sure this hasn’t just been ‘pushed.’

[R Mutt]

So it was dropped because there could be no agreement on a system whereby the government could retain data on those potentially infected.

No surprise considering the number of people whose default position was to reject any such app which might know where you've been.

Blaming the government for not having a useful system which could actually trace you by way of your address, because you didn't want your data available seems a little hypocritical.