CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 2)
Discussion
Author = Neil Ferguson
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/mrc-global-infectious-d...
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/mrc-global-infectious-d...
Neil Ferguson said:
The major challenge of suppression is that this type of intensive intervention package – or something equivalently effective at reducing transmission – will need to be maintained until a vaccine becomes available (potentially 18 months or more) – given that we predict that transmission will quickly rebound if interventions are relaxed.
Elysium said:
Author = Neil Ferguson
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/mrc-global-infectious-d...
Why don't we replace him on SAGE with one of the lottery machines. Today's R number is brought to you by Guinivere...https://www.imperial.ac.uk/mrc-global-infectious-d...
Neil Ferguson said:
The major challenge of suppression is that this type of intensive intervention package – or something equivalently effective at reducing transmission – will need to be maintained until a vaccine becomes available (potentially 18 months or more) – given that we predict that transmission will quickly rebound if interventions are relaxed.
Must admit, I'm getting to the point now where I am thinking of visiting my girlfriend.
At the start of lockdown, we agreed to stay apart(we live in different houses) as per the goverment advice.
But I am now wondering how long this will go on for, and what does the goverment want before I can visit her.
At the start of lockdown, we agreed to stay apart(we live in different houses) as per the goverment advice.
But I am now wondering how long this will go on for, and what does the goverment want before I can visit her.
There is no cure worse than the disease.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-scientists-...
This disease is going to cause a lot of damage and havoc. This is only the beginning, Only way to get out of this is a complete lock down till all sources of this virus is eradicated, or we are going to see this rapidly turn into one hell of a disaster....
The economy ? if this takes hold we will have nothing to have an economy for.
So no the cure is not going to be worse than this disease, far from it.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-scientists-...
This disease is going to cause a lot of damage and havoc. This is only the beginning, Only way to get out of this is a complete lock down till all sources of this virus is eradicated, or we are going to see this rapidly turn into one hell of a disaster....
The economy ? if this takes hold we will have nothing to have an economy for.
So no the cure is not going to be worse than this disease, far from it.
Ferguson has resigned. Not following his own guidelines.....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52553229
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52553229
ruggedscotty said:
There is no cure worse than the disease.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-scientists-...
This disease is going to cause a lot of damage and havoc. This is only the beginning, Only way to get out of this is a complete lock down till all sources of this virus is eradicated, or we are going to see this rapidly turn into one hell of a disaster....
The economy ? if this takes hold we will have nothing to have an economy for.
So no the cure is not going to be worse than this disease, far from it.
probably worth doing some research into that report before hanging your black hat on ithttps://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-scientists-...
This disease is going to cause a lot of damage and havoc. This is only the beginning, Only way to get out of this is a complete lock down till all sources of this virus is eradicated, or we are going to see this rapidly turn into one hell of a disaster....
The economy ? if this takes hold we will have nothing to have an economy for.
So no the cure is not going to be worse than this disease, far from it.
ruggedscotty said:
There is no cure worse than the disease.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-scientists-...
This disease is going to cause a lot of damage and havoc. This is only the beginning, Only way to get out of this is a complete lock down till all sources of this virus is eradicated, or we are going to see this rapidly turn into one hell of a disaster....
The economy ? if this takes hold we will have nothing to have an economy for.
So no the cure is not going to be worse than this disease, far from it.
CoronaVirus type diseases will always mutate. Nothing new. https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-scientists-...
This disease is going to cause a lot of damage and havoc. This is only the beginning, Only way to get out of this is a complete lock down till all sources of this virus is eradicated, or we are going to see this rapidly turn into one hell of a disaster....
The economy ? if this takes hold we will have nothing to have an economy for.
So no the cure is not going to be worse than this disease, far from it.
ruggedscotty said:
There is no cure worse than the disease.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-scientists-...
This disease is going to cause a lot of damage and havoc. This is only the beginning, Only way to get out of this is a complete lock down till all sources of this virus is eradicated, or we are going to see this rapidly turn into one hell of a disaster....
The economy ? if this takes hold we will have nothing to have an economy for.
So no the cure is not going to be worse than this disease, far from it.
So complete lockdown until it's eradicated wouldn't destroy the economy then? https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-scientists-...
This disease is going to cause a lot of damage and havoc. This is only the beginning, Only way to get out of this is a complete lock down till all sources of this virus is eradicated, or we are going to see this rapidly turn into one hell of a disaster....
The economy ? if this takes hold we will have nothing to have an economy for.
So no the cure is not going to be worse than this disease, far from it.
And it's says a more contagious not more deadly. Also the fact its more contagious means it's even harder if not impossible to eradicate.
Edited by Not-The-Messiah on Tuesday 5th May 22:02
ruggedscotty said:
There is no cure worse than the disease.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-scientists-...
This disease is going to cause a lot of damage and havoc. This is only the beginning, Only way to get out of this is a complete lock down till all sources of this virus is eradicated, or we are going to see this rapidly turn into one hell of a disaster....
The economy ? if this takes hold we will have nothing to have an economy for.
So no the cure is not going to be worse than this disease, far from it.
More contagious usually means less dangerous. https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-scientists-...
This disease is going to cause a lot of damage and havoc. This is only the beginning, Only way to get out of this is a complete lock down till all sources of this virus is eradicated, or we are going to see this rapidly turn into one hell of a disaster....
The economy ? if this takes hold we will have nothing to have an economy for.
So no the cure is not going to be worse than this disease, far from it.
ruggedscotty said:
There is no cure worse than the disease.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-scientists-...
This disease is going to cause a lot of damage and havoc. This is only the beginning, Only way to get out of this is a complete lock down till all sources of this virus is eradicated, or we are going to see this rapidly turn into one hell of a disaster....
The economy ? if this takes hold we will have nothing to have an economy for.
So no the cure is not going to be worse than this disease, far from it.
Did you even read the article, ruggedscotty? It isn't peer reviewed, but ignoring that, it clearly states that this "more contagious" strain is the one we've already had since March. You imply there's a new, super deadly strain emerging.https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-scientists-...
This disease is going to cause a lot of damage and havoc. This is only the beginning, Only way to get out of this is a complete lock down till all sources of this virus is eradicated, or we are going to see this rapidly turn into one hell of a disaster....
The economy ? if this takes hold we will have nothing to have an economy for.
So no the cure is not going to be worse than this disease, far from it.
I don't mean to be rude, but what you assert is complete rubbish. You cannot eradicate a virus by lockdown in a place like the UK. And even if you did lockdown for ages, the people you'd kill by not treating cancer, strokes, heart disease and other conditions would outweigh the virus hugely.
And then there's the economy.
Here's a FACT for you: only 1% of hospital deaths from Covid in the UK have occurred in the healthy under 60's. You know, the working population that pays for everything. And you're advocating shutting them down, destroying their futures, when 99% of them would have survived the virus anyway?
You're so, so, wrong.
This is interesting. Simon Dolan is the guy threatening a legal challenge against the lockdown. The document is advice from Sage, which seems to suggest isolation of the over 65s as the most effective measure, combined with home isolation of symptomatic cases and their families. Lockdown NOT recommended or even suggested:
https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/125762994264...
Following the science!
https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/125762994264...
Following the science!
ruggedscotty said:
There is no cure worse than the disease.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-scientists-...
This disease is going to cause a lot of damage and havoc. This is only the beginning, Only way to get out of this is a complete lock down till all sources of this virus is eradicated, or we are going to see this rapidly turn into one hell of a disaster....
The economy ? if this takes hold we will have nothing to have an economy for.
So no the cure is not going to be worse than this disease, far from it.
The cure is already worse than the disease, we should have started trying to rebuild the economy a couple of weeks ago.https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-scientists-...
This disease is going to cause a lot of damage and havoc. This is only the beginning, Only way to get out of this is a complete lock down till all sources of this virus is eradicated, or we are going to see this rapidly turn into one hell of a disaster....
The economy ? if this takes hold we will have nothing to have an economy for.
So no the cure is not going to be worse than this disease, far from it.
ruggedscotty said:
There is no cure worse than the disease.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-scientists-...
This disease is going to cause a lot of damage and havoc. This is only the beginning, Only way to get out of this is a complete lock down till all sources of this virus is eradicated, or we are going to see this rapidly turn into one hell of a disaster....
The economy ? if this takes hold we will have nothing to have an economy for.
So no the cure is not going to be worse than this disease, far from it.
I'm not sure on the accuracy of this article but its true that for the Spanish Flu, the second wave/variant was more deadly including for younger people. Copenhagen was a city that had been hit by the first wave and consequently suffered comparatively few deaths in the second wave. Almost tempted to go catch the current virus... https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-scientists-...
This disease is going to cause a lot of damage and havoc. This is only the beginning, Only way to get out of this is a complete lock down till all sources of this virus is eradicated, or we are going to see this rapidly turn into one hell of a disaster....
The economy ? if this takes hold we will have nothing to have an economy for.
So no the cure is not going to be worse than this disease, far from it.
Well, a reduction in Furlough payments should certainly help change the tide.
A little less easy to sit at home and virtue signal if you're only on 60% wages or less...
I`m a glutton for punishment so I sometimes read the reader comments on Daily Fail/Mirror/Sun etc. "news" articles and it's been interesting to see the change of tune on them when the reduction of furlough payments is the subject.
Strangely enough people seem MUCH keener to go back to work if you don't pay them most of their wages to sit at home.
It makes no odds to me immediately as I'm not furloughed.
I just get to sit at home helplessly watching a 50 year old family business evaporate before my eyes while the whole f
king world goes mad around me.
This thread is (mostly) a little oasis of sanity in a world that seems to have totally lost the plot and decided that Covid 19 is literally the ONLY thing that matters and the ONLY thing that ever kills anyone. Even though mounting evidence points to it being far less of a threat to life than first thought.
Covid 19 isn't a non-event, it does have serious implications for quite a number of people. These people should be protected as far as practically possible, without infringing the lives and livelihoods of the vast majority who pay the taxes to fund all this in the first place.
Covid 19 is not, however, an existential threat to humanity and should not be treated as such, especially when the cost of doing so both in future lives lost through delayed/cancelled treatments etc. and a huge drop in living standards is so high.
A little less easy to sit at home and virtue signal if you're only on 60% wages or less...
I`m a glutton for punishment so I sometimes read the reader comments on Daily Fail/Mirror/Sun etc. "news" articles and it's been interesting to see the change of tune on them when the reduction of furlough payments is the subject.
Strangely enough people seem MUCH keener to go back to work if you don't pay them most of their wages to sit at home.
It makes no odds to me immediately as I'm not furloughed.
I just get to sit at home helplessly watching a 50 year old family business evaporate before my eyes while the whole f
king world goes mad around me.This thread is (mostly) a little oasis of sanity in a world that seems to have totally lost the plot and decided that Covid 19 is literally the ONLY thing that matters and the ONLY thing that ever kills anyone. Even though mounting evidence points to it being far less of a threat to life than first thought.
Covid 19 isn't a non-event, it does have serious implications for quite a number of people. These people should be protected as far as practically possible, without infringing the lives and livelihoods of the vast majority who pay the taxes to fund all this in the first place.
Covid 19 is not, however, an existential threat to humanity and should not be treated as such, especially when the cost of doing so both in future lives lost through delayed/cancelled treatments etc. and a huge drop in living standards is so high.
gazapc said:
ruggedscotty said:
There is no cure worse than the disease.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-scientists-...
This disease is going to cause a lot of damage and havoc. This is only the beginning, Only way to get out of this is a complete lock down till all sources of this virus is eradicated, or we are going to see this rapidly turn into one hell of a disaster....
The economy ? if this takes hold we will have nothing to have an economy for.
So no the cure is not going to be worse than this disease, far from it.
I'm not sure on the accuracy of this article but its true that for the Spanish Flu, the second wave/variant was more deadly including for younger people. Copenhagen was a city that had been hit by the first wave and consequently suffered comparatively few deaths in the second wave. Almost tempted to go catch the current virus... https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-scientists-...
This disease is going to cause a lot of damage and havoc. This is only the beginning, Only way to get out of this is a complete lock down till all sources of this virus is eradicated, or we are going to see this rapidly turn into one hell of a disaster....
The economy ? if this takes hold we will have nothing to have an economy for.
So no the cure is not going to be worse than this disease, far from it.
Fubar1977 said:
Well, a reduction in Furlough payments should certainly help change the tide.
A little less easy to sit at home and virtue signal if you're only on 60% wages or less...
I`m a glutton for punishment so I sometimes read the reader comments on Daily Fail/Mirror/Sun etc. "news" articles and it's been interesting to see the change of tune on them when the reduction of furlough payments is the subject.
Strangely enough people seem MUCH keener to go back to work if you don't pay them most of their wages to sit at home.
It makes no odds to me immediately as I'm not furloughed.
I just get to sit at home helplessly watching a 50 year old family business evaporate before my eyes while the whole fking world goes mad around me.
This thread is (mostly) a little oasis of sanity in a world that seems to have totally lost the plot and decided that Covid 19 is literally the ONLY thing that matters and the ONLY thing that ever kills anyone. Even though mounting evidence points to it being far less of a threat to life than first thought.
Covid 19 isn't a non-event, it does have serious implications for quite a number of people. These people should be protected as far as practically possible, without infringing the lives and livelihoods of the vast majority who pay the taxes to fund all this in the first place.
Covid 19 is not, however, an existential threat to humanity and should not be treated as such, especially when the cost of doing so both in future lives lost through delayed/cancelled treatments etc. and a huge drop in living standards is so high.
I think that’s a bit harsh, I’m on furlough and I didn’t ask to be. I’d rather be at work and know that I still have a job and I think that applies to most people. The sort that are treating it as jolly nice holiday and it’s nothing to worry about are in the minority, they just make a lot of noise about it. Most of us are quietly sh**ting ourselves about unemployment. A little less easy to sit at home and virtue signal if you're only on 60% wages or less...
I`m a glutton for punishment so I sometimes read the reader comments on Daily Fail/Mirror/Sun etc. "news" articles and it's been interesting to see the change of tune on them when the reduction of furlough payments is the subject.
Strangely enough people seem MUCH keener to go back to work if you don't pay them most of their wages to sit at home.
It makes no odds to me immediately as I'm not furloughed.
I just get to sit at home helplessly watching a 50 year old family business evaporate before my eyes while the whole f
king world goes mad around me.This thread is (mostly) a little oasis of sanity in a world that seems to have totally lost the plot and decided that Covid 19 is literally the ONLY thing that matters and the ONLY thing that ever kills anyone. Even though mounting evidence points to it being far less of a threat to life than first thought.
Covid 19 isn't a non-event, it does have serious implications for quite a number of people. These people should be protected as far as practically possible, without infringing the lives and livelihoods of the vast majority who pay the taxes to fund all this in the first place.
Covid 19 is not, however, an existential threat to humanity and should not be treated as such, especially when the cost of doing so both in future lives lost through delayed/cancelled treatments etc. and a huge drop in living standards is so high.
V8fan said:
Ferguson has resigned. Not following his own guidelines.....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52553229
BBC doesn't give any details strangely. Silly Ferguson was banging a married woman whilst stressing the importance of lockdown https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52553229
Funny how people latch onto an article about the different strains in Europe vs China which is relatively old news, while ignoring the much more recent ones about the virus apparently weakening as it replicates, which is claimed to be a big part of what originally stopped SARS-1.
Guess it depends what suits the political needs.
Guess it depends what suits the political needs.
HorneyMX5 said:
Fubar1977 said:
Well, a reduction in Furlough payments should certainly help change the tide.
A little less easy to sit at home and virtue signal if you're only on 60% wages or less...
I`m a glutton for punishment so I sometimes read the reader comments on Daily Fail/Mirror/Sun etc. "news" articles and it's been interesting to see the change of tune on them when the reduction of furlough payments is the subject.
Strangely enough people seem MUCH keener to go back to work if you don't pay them most of their wages to sit at home.
It makes no odds to me immediately as I'm not furloughed.
I just get to sit at home helplessly watching a 50 year old family business evaporate before my eyes while the whole fking world goes mad around me.
This thread is (mostly) a little oasis of sanity in a world that seems to have totally lost the plot and decided that Covid 19 is literally the ONLY thing that matters and the ONLY thing that ever kills anyone. Even though mounting evidence points to it being far less of a threat to life than first thought.
Covid 19 isn't a non-event, it does have serious implications for quite a number of people. These people should be protected as far as practically possible, without infringing the lives and livelihoods of the vast majority who pay the taxes to fund all this in the first place.
Covid 19 is not, however, an existential threat to humanity and should not be treated as such, especially when the cost of doing so both in future lives lost through delayed/cancelled treatments etc. and a huge drop in living standards is so high.
I think that’s a bit harsh, I’m on furlough and I didn’t ask to be. I’d rather be at work and know that I still have a job and I think that applies to most people. The sort that are treating it as jolly nice holiday and it’s nothing to worry about are in the minority, they just make a lot of noise about it. Most of us are quietly sh**ting ourselves about unemployment. A little less easy to sit at home and virtue signal if you're only on 60% wages or less...
I`m a glutton for punishment so I sometimes read the reader comments on Daily Fail/Mirror/Sun etc. "news" articles and it's been interesting to see the change of tune on them when the reduction of furlough payments is the subject.
Strangely enough people seem MUCH keener to go back to work if you don't pay them most of their wages to sit at home.
It makes no odds to me immediately as I'm not furloughed.
I just get to sit at home helplessly watching a 50 year old family business evaporate before my eyes while the whole f
king world goes mad around me.This thread is (mostly) a little oasis of sanity in a world that seems to have totally lost the plot and decided that Covid 19 is literally the ONLY thing that matters and the ONLY thing that ever kills anyone. Even though mounting evidence points to it being far less of a threat to life than first thought.
Covid 19 isn't a non-event, it does have serious implications for quite a number of people. These people should be protected as far as practically possible, without infringing the lives and livelihoods of the vast majority who pay the taxes to fund all this in the first place.
Covid 19 is not, however, an existential threat to humanity and should not be treated as such, especially when the cost of doing so both in future lives lost through delayed/cancelled treatments etc. and a huge drop in living standards is so high.
I'm sure you are right and it's just a case of "the empty can rattles the most" and all the Angry Karens and that Godawful "Stay at Home, Save Lives" chanting getting to me. Hope it pans out ok for you.
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