Coronavirus - the killer flu that will wipe us out? (Vol. 7)

[anonymous-user]

OzzyR1 said:

The UK is doing it's own research and funding and we are pretty good at it.

Does that sound like a good deal to you?

Well it is very risky as if the UK don't develop a vaccine we rely on the open market that is not really in our favour. The UK has pooled 16 billion with other countries but haven't said how much they gave or the real plan, and probably not enough to compete against other countries.

The problem of a capitalist world, is supply and demand, and price inelasticity of supply.

[OzzyR1]

The Spruce Goose said:

OzzyR1 said:

The UK is doing it's own research and funding and we are pretty good at it.

Does that sound like a good deal to you?

Well it is very risky as if the UK don't develop a vaccine we rely on the open market that is not really in our favour. The UK has pooled 16 billion with other countries but haven't said how much they gave or the real plan, and probably not enough to compete against other countries.

The problem of a capitalist world, is supply and demand, and price inelasticity of supply.

We will see where we end up I suppose.

Do have a small issue with your comment that "the problem of a capitalist world, is supply and demand, and price inelasticity of supply"

That seems to imply that the price (and it's inherent inflexibility) is set by the highest bidder.

Not an expert by any means, but I understand there is an international agreement whereby "first world" countries pay a lot for drugs, "second world" pay less and developing nations pay a small amount - all for the same pill.

[Stay in Bed Instead]

The UK's world beating track and trace app should tell you all you need to know.

[MOTORVATOR]

Stay in Bed Instead said:

The UK's world beating track and trace app should tell you all you need to know.

Has anyone got a track and trace app working effectively yet?

[OzzyR1]

Stay in Bed Instead said:

The UK's world beating track and trace app should tell you all you need to know.

What a clown.

[Stay in Bed Instead]

MOTORVATOR said:

Has anyone got a track and trace app working effectively yet?

Here you go.

https://fullfact.org/health/coronavirus-track-and-...

[Stay in Bed Instead]

OzzyR1 said:

What a clown.

That referring to me or the person that wasted millions of tax payers money on an abandoned app?

[MOTORVATOR]

Stay in Bed Instead said:

MOTORVATOR said:

Has anyone got a track and trace app working effectively yet?

Here you go.

https://fullfact.org/health/coronavirus-track-and-...

The answer being no then?

[Joedarkness]

The Spruce Goose said:

OzzyR1 said:

The UK is doing it's own research and funding and we are pretty good at it.

Does that sound like a good deal to you?

Well it is very risky as if the UK don't develop a vaccine we rely on the open market that is not really in our favour. The UK has pooled 16 billion with other countries but haven't said how much they gave or the real plan, and probably not enough to compete against other countries.

The problem of a capitalist world, is supply and demand, and price inelasticity of supply.

One of the conditions of joining the club that we drop our vaccine work (this condition was later dropped)
With friends like this who needs enemies !

[hotchy]

All this talk of a vaccine, any news on results so far? Anything promising? Anything looking likely to go to mass market? We dont even need a vaccine per say, a new pill that fights off the virus will do. Pop down to savers and buy it along with our 29p paracetamol.

[sherbertdip]

hotchy said:

We dont even need a vaccine per say, a new pill that fights off the virus will do. Pop down to savers and buy it along with our 29p paracetamol.

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The Spruce Goose said:

why is it anti tory to question very questionable actions?

For a start the US are buying up all CV19 related drugs, the EU will have 2.7 bullion at the least and massive buying power. Just like PPE do you really think we will get the best deals we just can't compete at this scale, USA,China, Eu etc, and this is the time to put politics aside and look after the health of the nation, whatever your party, surely that is pretty clear.

Surely we can comfortably afford a higher price for a vaccine than the average EU member. The packaging cost of sending some towards the UK instead of Slovenia will be fine. Unless the vaccine's created in the EU and kept secret and they take a political instead of commercial decision, I can't see there being a significant problem.

[hotchy]

sherbertdip said:

hotchy said:

We dont even need a vaccine per say, a new pill that fights off the virus will do. Pop down to savers and buy it along with our 29p paracetamol.

So that's a no then?

[turbobloke]

The Spruce Goose said:

why is it anti tory to question very questionable actions?

Not least because 'questionable' is subjective and in the eye of the beholder when only partial and inhomogeneous data is available near half-time. Such firm premature adjudication is an indicator of bias.

[JagLover]

OzzyR1 said:

The Spruce Goose said:

OzzyR1 said:

I would expect that sort of statement from the Lib Dems and other opposing parties, but do you believe that yourself or are you just repeating it because it fits in with your preferred anti-Tory narrative?

why is it anti tory to question very questionable actions?

For a start the US are buying up all CV19 related drugs, the EU will have 2.7 bullion at the least and massive buying power. Just like PPE do you really think we will get the best deals we just can't compete at this scale, USA,China, Eu etc, and this is the time to put politics aside and look after the health of the nation, whatever your party, surely that is pretty clear.

OK, I only said that as I know your political stance from your previous posts - shouldn't have done that, apologies.

I have some experience in these types of situation, not a lot, but enough to have gained a bit of knowledge.

What you said above about the USA and the EU is spot on, and supports my point more than yours imho.

Let's take the US, they are buying up all the Remdesivir as reported in the news, but the reason they can do that is that they are the ones funding the research and development of the drug, so they have first dibs on it.

If you do some digging, the EU have the same viewpoint. France and Germany are putting the cash into pharmaceutical firms, but as they are doing the the funding, they want the similar equity share from it. Any developed Covid suppressant/vaccine will be lionised by France/Germany for their population before it filters down through Spain, Italy and then the more junior members of the EU might get a sniff eventually.

The EU isn't a friendly organisation, they will stab anyone in the back (including their own members) to save their skin.

The UK is doing it's own research and funding and we are pretty good at it. If we joined the EU consortium, we would be required to stop any negotiations with manufacturers with which the EU has launched negotiations and it would not be possible for the UK to have a role in the governance shaping decisions on which manufacturers negotiate with, or the price, volume and delivery schedule negotiated.

Does that sound like a good deal to you?

Yes we seem to well involved as an independent country with the push to develop a vaccine

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53061288

Stories like this just serve as catnip to bitter Remainers.

[JagLover]

grumbledoak said:

philv said:

It's so obvious masks help prevent. The spread and therefore reduce deaths.
What is it that so offends people that they should wear masks?

No. It isn't obvious.

Surgical masks, in appropriate circumstances, changed regularly by people trained to use them? Yes, they probably do. We're not supposed to have them.

Random bits of cloth kept on all day by untrained, panicking members of the public? Show me the proof. And a proper (hell, any) analysis of the downsides of wearing a piece of random cloth over your mouth and nose day after day - oxygen reduction, exhaust build up, moisture, pathogen growth. They must be a little petri dish after a few hours.

Plus the fact that you would struggle to find someone with COVID-19 at random on the High St to catch it from. This has always been a disease of confined spaces and occupants.

Yes

A mask made of the correct materials and used correctly will most probably reduce infection in high risk settings.

Most masks work by the general public wont be made from the correct materials and they certainly wont be used properly in most cases.

[Alucidnation]

According to the WHO, anything would be ok.


"The World Health Organisation says non-medical face coverings should be worn where social distancing is not possible."


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53371441

[s2art]

hotchy said:

All this talk of a vaccine, any news on results so far? Anything promising? Anything looking likely to go to mass market? We dont even need a vaccine per say, a new pill that fights off the virus will do. Pop down to savers and buy it along with our 29p paracetamol.

Ask a stupid question and you expect any sensible answers? BTW google is your friend.

[hotchy]

s2art said:

hotchy said:

All this talk of a vaccine, any news on results so far? Anything promising? Anything looking likely to go to mass market? We dont even need a vaccine per say, a new pill that fights off the virus will do. Pop down to savers and buy it along with our 29p paracetamol.

Ask a stupid question and you expect any sensible answers? BTW google is your friend.

So asking if there is any news on the vaccine is stupid? Ok then. Prick.

[smashing]

Alucidnation said:

According to the WHO, anything would be ok.


"The World Health Organisation says non-medical face coverings should be worn where social distancing is not possible."


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53371441

They also list these as the negatives

Non-medical or fabric masks could increase potential for COVID-19 to infect a person if the mask is contaminated by dirty hands and touched often, or kept on other parts of the face or head and then placed back over the mouth and nose

It is possible that mask use, with unclear benefits, could create a false sense of security in the wearer, leading to diminished practice of recognized beneficial preventive measures such as physical distancing and hand hygiene.