Coronavirus - the killer flu that will wipe us out? (Vol. 7)
Discussion
Gareth1974 said:
p1stonhead said:
And only 39 of these were hospital deaths, with the majority of the rest, presumably, care home deaths, The Spruce Goose said:
i think what has helped is Boris very close, i think Trump called him a personal Friend, lets hope Trump does another term, he has helped the UK out quite a few times in this crisis as we have shunned the EU support.
If the US voters are collectively dumb enough to vote that cretin in for a second term, I’m afraid the damage done by the virus will pale into insignificance. Having said that, I’d like to hear just where he’s “helped the UK out quite a few times in this crisis”. He hasn’t even helped his own country; quite the contrary.
The Spruce Goose said:
Gareth1974 said:
And only 39 of these were hospital deaths, with the majority of the rest, presumably, care home deaths,
the fault of care homes i guess just like Boris said. Who cares about old people dying, Boris clearly doesn't,REALIST123 said:
The Spruce Goose said:
i think what has helped is Boris very close, i think Trump called him a personal Friend, lets hope Trump does another term, he has helped the UK out quite a few times in this crisis as we have shunned the EU support.
If the US voters are collectively dumb enough to vote that cretin in for a second term, I’m afraid the damage done by the virus will pale into insignificance. Having said that, I’d like to hear just where he’s “helped the UK out quite a few times in this crisis”. He hasn’t even helped his own country; quite the contrary.
Record cases of new infections, 4K deaths this week, (remember 911 caused abou 80percent of that number and they went to war for 25 years over that) near 50 percent of new casss from 3 states, incl Florida and California.
Things are properly going the wrong way over there, and today, Disney world opened! Sadly, I think in respect of how we live, our demographic, travel habits, the way we socialise and interact, we are closer to the USA than mainland Europe. And it’s is therefore worrying what is going on there, as it is entirely possible the same trends will be here in a coupe of months.
The daily cases number isn't going down as i hoped.
Mass protests, football celebrations, rave parties, Manchester lockdown party town, visits to the beach, etc have stuffed us somewhat ihink,
On another note, i had my asda delivery today.
I live in Lincolnshire.
The delivery driver said he was from Leicester and that the groceries were from there too.
Not sure i want my groceries coming from Leicester at the moment, any more than i wanted them delivered from Wuham back in February.
Nuts.
Mass protests, football celebrations, rave parties, Manchester lockdown party town, visits to the beach, etc have stuffed us somewhat ihink,
On another note, i had my asda delivery today.
I live in Lincolnshire.
The delivery driver said he was from Leicester and that the groceries were from there too.
Not sure i want my groceries coming from Leicester at the moment, any more than i wanted them delivered from Wuham back in February.
Nuts.
philv said:
The daily cases number isn't going down as i hoped.
Mass protests, football celebrations, rave parties, Manchester lockdown party town, visits to the beach, etc have stuffed us somewhat ihink,
On another note, i had my asda delivery today.
I live in Lincolnshire.
The delivery driver said he was from Leicester and that the groceries were from there too.
Not sure i want my groceries coming from Leicester at the moment, any more than i wanted them delivered from Wuham back in February.
Nuts.
It’s been my concern for some time, a couple of months ago we were at 1500 or so confirmed cases per day, we’re still around 1000 odd most days, confirmed. And if ONS are correct, it’s near 4000 odd per day. Mass protests, football celebrations, rave parties, Manchester lockdown party town, visits to the beach, etc have stuffed us somewhat ihink,
On another note, i had my asda delivery today.
I live in Lincolnshire.
The delivery driver said he was from Leicester and that the groceries were from there too.
Not sure i want my groceries coming from Leicester at the moment, any more than i wanted them delivered from Wuham back in February.
Nuts.
The US trends are really bad now, but they’re not making meantream news over here, that much. But same way as we had the Italian ‘national shame’ with 1000 deaths a day, we all assumed. It would never happen here.......4 weeks later we were doing even worse.
It’s easy to ignore what’s happening 5000 miles away in California etc, but that’s what most did when it was 5000 miles east of us, and look what happened.
I don’t know what the answer is, but I don’t like the look of where we are heading.
poo at Paul's said:
It’s been my concern for some time, a couple of months ago we were at 1500 or so confirmed cases per day, we’re still around 1000 odd most days, confirmed. And if ONS are correct, it’s near 4000 odd per day.
The US trends are really bad now, but they’re not making meantream news over here, that much. But same way as we had the Italian ‘national shame’ with 1000 deaths a day, we all assumed. It would never happen here.......4 weeks later we were doing even worse.
It’s easy to ignore what’s happening 5000 miles away in California etc, but that’s what most did when it was 5000 miles east of us, and look what happened.
I don’t know what the answer is, but I don’t like the look of where we are heading.
We are no where near 1000 cases most days and we never did worse than 1000 deaths a day. Keep up the panic ridden bullsThe US trends are really bad now, but they’re not making meantream news over here, that much. But same way as we had the Italian ‘national shame’ with 1000 deaths a day, we all assumed. It would never happen here.......4 weeks later we were doing even worse.
It’s easy to ignore what’s happening 5000 miles away in California etc, but that’s what most did when it was 5000 miles east of us, and look what happened.
I don’t know what the answer is, but I don’t like the look of where we are heading.
t though.MX5Biologist said:
Not exactly developed and delivered, bu tworking with UCL, Mercedes AMG HPP "reverse engineered" an existing CPAP device (or, depending on your perspective, copied a device), and presumably fitted it with the necessary HEPA filter on the return. I suspect UCL did most of the hardwork. Mercedes would be able to help in identifying the off the shelf parts needed.
What they (UCL) did was take an old Respironics (Philips), copy it, but increased the flow rates to support COVID-19 patients. 10,000 were made, and distributed for free. The design and manufacturing instructions are now open source:
https://covid19research.uclb.com/product/ucl-cpap
Thanks. Interesting read and the video below shows the work AMG did. Pretty impressive stuff. It kind of got buried in all the chaos back in March/April.What they (UCL) did was take an old Respironics (Philips), copy it, but increased the flow rates to support COVID-19 patients. 10,000 were made, and distributed for free. The design and manufacturing instructions are now open source:
https://covid19research.uclb.com/product/ucl-cpap
https://www.ucl.ac.uk/healthcare-engineering/covid...
I wonder if they are better than the standard ones that were already being used in hospitals?
"They have since worked to optimise the device further, producing a modified version Mark II which has been shown to reduce oxygen consumption in healthy volunteer assessments by up to 70%"
Would be even more impressive if they've also made something more efficient by that margin against what is currently being used. But I think they mean improving the Mark 1 which was based on the copy, so they've made the Mark 2 more efficient by that amount compared to the one they copied. Which is now out of date so not comparable what the hospitals are currently using.
poo at Paul's said:
It’s been my concern for some time, a couple of months ago we were at 1500 or so confirmed cases per day, we’re still around 1000 odd most days, confirmed. And if ONS are correct, it’s near 4000 odd per day.
The US trends are really bad now, but they’re not making meantream news over here, that much. But same way as we had the Italian ‘national shame’ with 1000 deaths a day, we all assumed. It would never happen here.......4 weeks later we were doing even worse.
It’s easy to ignore what’s happening 5000 miles away in California etc, but that’s what most did when it was 5000 miles east of us, and look what happened.
I don’t know what the answer is, but I don’t like the look of where we are heading.
Unlike USA, England has shown willingness to clamp down on local spikes, so I can't see us going down the same path of southern states. However, I agree we are closer in culture to USA than EU, so if cases rise and fall, there might be more of a hammer and dance than we are seeing en EU countries with more stable levels. Which is a waste of time IMO. We should choose a strategy and stick to it. I don't fancy going into winter with 1000 cases a day hanging round our necks.The US trends are really bad now, but they’re not making meantream news over here, that much. But same way as we had the Italian ‘national shame’ with 1000 deaths a day, we all assumed. It would never happen here.......4 weeks later we were doing even worse.
It’s easy to ignore what’s happening 5000 miles away in California etc, but that’s what most did when it was 5000 miles east of us, and look what happened.
I don’t know what the answer is, but I don’t like the look of where we are heading.
Zoobeef said:
poo at Paul's said:
It’s been my concern for some time, a couple of months ago we were at 1500 or so confirmed cases per day, we’re still around 1000 odd most days, confirmed. And if ONS are correct, it’s near 4000 odd per day.
The US trends are really bad now, but they’re not making meantream news over here, that much. But same way as we had the Italian ‘national shame’ with 1000 deaths a day, we all assumed. It would never happen here.......4 weeks later we were doing even worse.
It’s easy to ignore what’s happening 5000 miles away in California etc, but that’s what most did when it was 5000 miles east of us, and look what happened.
I don’t know what the answer is, but I don’t like the look of where we are heading.
We are no where near 1000 cases most days and we never did worse than 1000 deaths a day. Keep up the panic ridden bullsThe US trends are really bad now, but they’re not making meantream news over here, that much. But same way as we had the Italian ‘national shame’ with 1000 deaths a day, we all assumed. It would never happen here.......4 weeks later we were doing even worse.
It’s easy to ignore what’s happening 5000 miles away in California etc, but that’s what most did when it was 5000 miles east of us, and look what happened.
I don’t know what the answer is, but I don’t like the look of where we are heading.
t though.It has been 500-900 for about a week.
It had been trendsng down.
But going by other countries i thought we would be closer to a few hundred next week,
I don't think it will get tnere.
You can't have large numbers of people not social distancing and expect the virus to go away.
We need to get it well down in preparation for the colder months.
To remember is that the real number of cases is likely 5 times that of the confirmed figure.
So approx 4000 today.
That equates to people dying in a few weeks.
Those not social distancing and not giving a toss are responsible for people dying down the line.
Edited by philv on Saturday 11th July 23:10
philv said:
Today we announced 820 new cases.
It has been 500-900 for about a week.
It had been trendsng down.
Buy going by other countries i thought we would be closer to a few hundred next week,
I don't think it will get tnere.
You can't have large numbers of people not social distancing and expect the virus to go away.
We need to get it well down in preparation for the colder months.
To remember is that the real amber of cases is likely 5 times that of the confirmed figure.
So approx 4000 today.
That equates to people dying in a few weeks.
Those not social distancing and not giving a toss are responsible for people dying down the line.
Other than today the highest this month has been 749 on the 1st.It has been 500-900 for about a week.
It had been trendsng down.
Buy going by other countries i thought we would be closer to a few hundred next week,
I don't think it will get tnere.
You can't have large numbers of people not social distancing and expect the virus to go away.
We need to get it well down in preparation for the colder months.
To remember is that the real amber of cases is likely 5 times that of the confirmed figure.
So approx 4000 today.
That equates to people dying in a few weeks.
Those not social distancing and not giving a toss are responsible for people dying down the line.
Literally couldn't care less about your attempted guilt tripping.
Zoobeef said:
philv said:
Today we announced 820 new cases.
It has been 500-900 for about a week.
It had been trendsng down.
Buy going by other countries i thought we would be closer to a few hundred next week,
I don't think it will get tnere.
You can't have large numbers of people not social distancing and expect the virus to go away.
We need to get it well down in preparation for the colder months.
To remember is that the real amber of cases is likely 5 times that of the confirmed figure.
So approx 4000 today.
That equates to people dying in a few weeks.
Those not social distancing and not giving a toss are responsible for people dying down the line.
Other than today the highest this month has been 749 on the 1st.It has been 500-900 for about a week.
It had been trendsng down.
Buy going by other countries i thought we would be closer to a few hundred next week,
I don't think it will get tnere.
You can't have large numbers of people not social distancing and expect the virus to go away.
We need to get it well down in preparation for the colder months.
To remember is that the real amber of cases is likely 5 times that of the confirmed figure.
So approx 4000 today.
That equates to people dying in a few weeks.
Those not social distancing and not giving a toss are responsible for people dying down the line.
Literally couldn't care less about your attempted guilt tripping.
Guilt tripping?
I was stating a fact.
No social distancing leads to more cases leads to more draths.
If someone acts irresponsibly they may well be contributing to the death of others.
Why the prickly response?
Based on the experience on this side of the pond., the speed at which this thing picks up when there is no social distancing and insufficient mask adherence is staggering.
In Toronto where I live it is well into steep decline, but we have mandatory mask wearing in all public spaces including stores. Restaurants, gyms and bars remain closed apart from patios and most major organizations still have people working at home. 14 day quarantine for all visitors to Canada including returning Canadians. University lectures will all be on line, and school returns still to be decided. Almost nobody now in ICUs.
In the US the situation is truly dire and deteriorating rapidly, and a lot of the blame is attributed to reopening too fast, meatpacking plants, crowded beaches and bars as well as suspicion of masks. Will be worth seeing who each country looks in a month or two.
No idea how the UK will do. I have cancelled a planned break in London next month due to the requirement to quarantine on my return here. However, it. does look a lot more lax than Canada.
In Toronto where I live it is well into steep decline, but we have mandatory mask wearing in all public spaces including stores. Restaurants, gyms and bars remain closed apart from patios and most major organizations still have people working at home. 14 day quarantine for all visitors to Canada including returning Canadians. University lectures will all be on line, and school returns still to be decided. Almost nobody now in ICUs.
In the US the situation is truly dire and deteriorating rapidly, and a lot of the blame is attributed to reopening too fast, meatpacking plants, crowded beaches and bars as well as suspicion of masks. Will be worth seeing who each country looks in a month or two.
No idea how the UK will do. I have cancelled a planned break in London next month due to the requirement to quarantine on my return here. However, it. does look a lot more lax than Canada.
philv said:
And it wasn't long ago that it was 1500 a day...only a few weeks.
Guilt tripping?
I was stating a fact.
No social distancing leads to more cases leads to more draths.
If someone acts irresponsibly they may well be contributing to the death of others.
Why the prickly response?
Social distancing means less medical treatments which means more deaths. Just so we're clear with what you're demanding.Guilt tripping?
I was stating a fact.
No social distancing leads to more cases leads to more draths.
If someone acts irresponsibly they may well be contributing to the death of others.
Why the prickly response?
That has been a fact of this lockdown and we'll be seeing the effects of your deaths for atleast the next 10 years.
Its ok, 90 year old Agatha with heart failure will be glad youve ruined her sons business and grandsons education so you can extend her life by a week.
RDMcG said:
Based on the experience on this side of the pond., the speed at which this thing picks up when there is no social distancing and insufficient mask adherence is staggering.
In Toronto where I live it is well into steep decline, but we have mandatory mask wearing in all public spaces including stores. Restaurants, gyms and bars remain closed apart from patios and most major organizations still have people working at home. 14 day quarantine for all visitors to Canada including returning Canadians. University lectures will all be on line, and school returns still to be decided. Almost nobody now in ICUs.
In the US the situation is truly dire and deteriorating rapidly, and a lot of the blame is attributed to reopening too fast, meatpacking plants, crowded beaches and bars as well as suspicion of masks. Will be worth seeing who each country looks in a month or two.
No idea how the UK will do. I have cancelled a planned break in London next month due to the requirement to quarantine on my return here. However, it. does look a lot more lax than Canada.
Quite staggering that masks are not yet compulsory in pubs and shops in the uk.In Toronto where I live it is well into steep decline, but we have mandatory mask wearing in all public spaces including stores. Restaurants, gyms and bars remain closed apart from patios and most major organizations still have people working at home. 14 day quarantine for all visitors to Canada including returning Canadians. University lectures will all be on line, and school returns still to be decided. Almost nobody now in ICUs.
In the US the situation is truly dire and deteriorating rapidly, and a lot of the blame is attributed to reopening too fast, meatpacking plants, crowded beaches and bars as well as suspicion of masks. Will be worth seeing who each country looks in a month or two.
No idea how the UK will do. I have cancelled a planned break in London next month due to the requirement to quarantine on my return here. However, it. does look a lot more lax than Canada.
They should be compulsory in all public places.
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