Cummings and goings...
Discussion
standards said:
If parents can drive all that way they seem capable of looking after children at home as per advice.
If parents deteriorate and need hospital care and grandparents unable to go and pick up grandchildren they’re unlikely to be able to look after them.
Seems to me they wanted a nicer place than Mugsville-on-Thames to isolate and Durham plus grandparents seemed to do the trick.
Only the trick got spotted. Curtain twitchers rule.
If parents deteriorate and need hospital care and grandparents unable to go and pick up grandchildren they’re unlikely to be able to look after them.
Seems to me they wanted a nicer place than Mugsville-on-Thames to isolate and Durham plus grandparents seemed to do the trick.
Only the trick got spotted. Curtain twitchers rule.
He should resign. If he doesn’t, I doubt Boris has the spine to sack him.
JagLover said:
motco said:
According to the 'Today' programme this morning, it was not his parents that he asked to look after the child(ren) but his sister. The parents, I infer, happen to be nearby. That being the case all he did was look to his family to help with a vulnerable member of his household. The sin, if sin it is, was to drive 290 miles to do it.
This was the guidanceBBC said:
The reasons you may leave home include:
For work, where you cannot work at home
Going to shops that are permitted to be open - to get things like food and medicine
To exercise or spend time outdoors
Any medical need, including to donate blood, avoid illness or injury, escape risk of harm, or to provide care or help to a vulnerable person
I trust we can all agree that a five year old needs someone fit and able to look after him. For work, where you cannot work at home
Going to shops that are permitted to be open - to get things like food and medicine
To exercise or spend time outdoors
Any medical need, including to donate blood, avoid illness or injury, escape risk of harm, or to provide care or help to a vulnerable person
dot Gov said:
Stay at home
You and all household members should remain at home. Do not go to work, school, or public areas, and do not use public transport or taxis.
If possible, you should not go out even to buy food or other essentials, and any exercise should be taken within your home. The 14-day period starts from the day the first person in your house became ill.
If you require help with buying groceries, other shopping or picking up medication, or walking a dog, you will need to ask friends or relatives. Alternatively, you can order medication by phone or online. You can also order your shopping online. Make sure you tell delivery drivers to leave items outside for collection if you order online. The delivery driver should not come into your home.
If you are an employee and unable to work due to coronavirus (COVID-19), please refer to this guidance from the Department for Work and Pensions to find out about the support that is available to you.
If you are living with children
Keep following this advice to the best of your ability, however, we are aware that not all these measures will be possible.
What we have seen so far is that children with coronavirus (COVID-19) appear to be less severely affected. It is nevertheless important to do your best to follow this guidance.
You and all household members should remain at home. Do not go to work, school, or public areas, and do not use public transport or taxis.
If possible, you should not go out even to buy food or other essentials, and any exercise should be taken within your home. The 14-day period starts from the day the first person in your house became ill.
If you require help with buying groceries, other shopping or picking up medication, or walking a dog, you will need to ask friends or relatives. Alternatively, you can order medication by phone or online. You can also order your shopping online. Make sure you tell delivery drivers to leave items outside for collection if you order online. The delivery driver should not come into your home.
If you are an employee and unable to work due to coronavirus (COVID-19), please refer to this guidance from the Department for Work and Pensions to find out about the support that is available to you.
If you are living with children
Keep following this advice to the best of your ability, however, we are aware that not all these measures will be possible.
What we have seen so far is that children with coronavirus (COVID-19) appear to be less severely affected. It is nevertheless important to do your best to follow this guidance.
JagLover said:
motco said:
According to the 'Today' programme this morning, it was not his parents that he asked to look after the child(ren) but his sister. The parents, I infer, happen to be nearby. That being the case all he did was look to his family to help with a vulnerable member of his household. The sin, if sin it is, was to drive 290 miles to do it.
This was the guidanceBBC said:
The reasons you may leave home include:
For work, where you cannot work at home
Going to shops that are permitted to be open - to get things like food and medicine
To exercise or spend time outdoors
Any medical need, including to donate blood, avoid illness or injury, escape risk of harm, or to provide care or help to a vulnerable person
I trust we can all agree that a five year old needs someone fit and able to look after him. For work, where you cannot work at home
Going to shops that are permitted to be open - to get things like food and medicine
To exercise or spend time outdoors
Any medical need, including to donate blood, avoid illness or injury, escape risk of harm, or to provide care or help to a vulnerable person
If he doesn't resign, then Ferguson and Calderwood should be demanding their jobs back, what they did was nowhere near as bad as this.
standards said:
If parents can drive all that way they seem capable of looking after children at home as per advice.
If parents deteriorate and need hospital care and grandparents unable to go and pick up grandchildren they’re unlikely to be able to look after them.
To point out the obvious many people become seriously ill with Coronavirus and unable to take care of young children but do not require hospitalisation. It is also a progressive illness that gets steadily worse so someone can be testing positive one day and still active and bedridden the next. If parents deteriorate and need hospital care and grandparents unable to go and pick up grandchildren they’re unlikely to be able to look after them.
The Guardian has a handy timeline and his partner came down with symptoms a day earlier.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/22/domi...
Mary Wakefield writes for the Spectator and wrote about her son this week. He is actually four.
JagLover said:
motco said:
According to the 'Today' programme this morning, it was not his parents that he asked to look after the child(ren) but his sister. The parents, I infer, happen to be nearby. That being the case all he did was look to his family to help with a vulnerable member of his household. The sin, if sin it is, was to drive 290 miles to do it.
This was the guidanceBBC said:
The reasons you may leave home include:
For work, where you cannot work at home
Going to shops that are permitted to be open - to get things like food and medicine
To exercise or spend time outdoors
Any medical need, including to donate blood, avoid illness or injury, escape risk of harm, or to provide care or help to a vulnerable person
I trust we can all agree that a five year old needs someone fit and able to look after him. For work, where you cannot work at home
Going to shops that are permitted to be open - to get things like food and medicine
To exercise or spend time outdoors
Any medical need, including to donate blood, avoid illness or injury, escape risk of harm, or to provide care or help to a vulnerable person
standards said:
If parents can drive all that way they seem capable of looking after children at home as per advice.
If parents deteriorate and need hospital care and grandparents unable to go and pick up grandchildren they’re unlikely to be able to look after them.
Seems to me they wanted a nicer place than Mugsville-on-Thames to isolate and Durham plus grandparents seemed to do the trick.
Only the trick got spotted. Curtain twitchers rule.
Had symptoms did not self isolate.If parents deteriorate and need hospital care and grandparents unable to go and pick up grandchildren they’re unlikely to be able to look after them.
Seems to me they wanted a nicer place than Mugsville-on-Thames to isolate and Durham plus grandparents seemed to do the trick.
Only the trick got spotted. Curtain twitchers rule.
Evanivitch said:
JagLover said:
motco said:
According to the 'Today' programme this morning, it was not his parents that he asked to look after the child(ren) but his sister. The parents, I infer, happen to be nearby. That being the case all he did was look to his family to help with a vulnerable member of his household. The sin, if sin it is, was to drive 290 miles to do it.
This was the guidanceBBC said:
The reasons you may leave home include:
For work, where you cannot work at home
Going to shops that are permitted to be open - to get things like food and medicine
To exercise or spend time outdoors
Any medical need, including to donate blood, avoid illness or injury, escape risk of harm, or to provide care or help to a vulnerable person
I trust we can all agree that a five year old needs someone fit and able to look after him. For work, where you cannot work at home
Going to shops that are permitted to be open - to get things like food and medicine
To exercise or spend time outdoors
Any medical need, including to donate blood, avoid illness or injury, escape risk of harm, or to provide care or help to a vulnerable person
dot Gov said:
Stay at home
You and all household members should remain at home. Do not go to work, school, or public areas, and do not use public transport or taxis.
If possible, you should not go out even to buy food or other essentials, and any exercise should be taken within your home. The 14-day period starts from the day the first person in your house became ill.
If you require help with buying groceries, other shopping or picking up medication, or walking a dog, you will need to ask friends or relatives. Alternatively, you can order medication by phone or online. You can also order your shopping online. Make sure you tell delivery drivers to leave items outside for collection if you order online. The delivery driver should not come into your home.
If you are an employee and unable to work due to coronavirus (COVID-19), please refer to this guidance from the Department for Work and Pensions to find out about the support that is available to you.
If you are living with children.Keep following this advice to the best of your ability, however, we are aware that not all these measures will be possible
What we have seen so far is that children with coronavirus (COVID-19) appear to be less severely affected. It is nevertheless important to do your best to follow this guidance.
You and all household members should remain at home. Do not go to work, school, or public areas, and do not use public transport or taxis.
If possible, you should not go out even to buy food or other essentials, and any exercise should be taken within your home. The 14-day period starts from the day the first person in your house became ill.
If you require help with buying groceries, other shopping or picking up medication, or walking a dog, you will need to ask friends or relatives. Alternatively, you can order medication by phone or online. You can also order your shopping online. Make sure you tell delivery drivers to leave items outside for collection if you order online. The delivery driver should not come into your home.
If you are an employee and unable to work due to coronavirus (COVID-19), please refer to this guidance from the Department for Work and Pensions to find out about the support that is available to you.
If you are living with children.Keep following this advice to the best of your ability, however, we are aware that not all these measures will be possible
What we have seen so far is that children with coronavirus (COVID-19) appear to be less severely affected. It is nevertheless important to do your best to follow this guidance.
Do we all agree that a four year old needs someone who is able to take care of them looking after them?.
Edited by JagLover on Saturday 23 May 09:02
rover 623gsi said:
Possibly yeah. I’m sure lots of people in govt must have known at the time that Cummings had fled London - somewhat ironically to Cumbria, one of the worst affected areas in the country.
I doubt it’s the press, Cummings will be under surveillance, as is Ferguson while he’s playing such a critical role. Why do these stories often break so long after the event? Edited by rover 623gsi on Saturday 23 May 08:42
JagLover said:
In the very thing you posted.
Do we all agree that a four year old needs someone who is able to take care of them looking after them?.
Yes.Do we all agree that a four year old needs someone who is able to take care of them looking after them?.
Edited by JagLover on Saturday 23 May 09:02
It just seems fairly unlikely they couldn't have found someone closer between the pair of them - they really have no family or friends in London and no access to childcare? But lets given them the benefit of the doubt; do you not think it would have been more sensible to get them to pick the child up rather than have people who are symptomatic and should not leave their home at all drive across the country?
Dark85 said:
Yes.
It just seems fairly unlikely they couldn't have found someone closer between the pair of them - they really have no family or friends in London and no access to childcare? But lets given them the benefit of the doubt; do you not think it would have been more sensible to get them to pick the child up rather than have people who are symptomatic and should not leave their home at all drive across the country?
That probably would have been more sensible I agree. Just pointing out that this is a grey area and if many of the posters on here had wanted care for their four year old they would no doubt prefer it to be from a close family member than some stranger or someone less well know to the child.It just seems fairly unlikely they couldn't have found someone closer between the pair of them - they really have no family or friends in London and no access to childcare? But lets given them the benefit of the doubt; do you not think it would have been more sensible to get them to pick the child up rather than have people who are symptomatic and should not leave their home at all drive across the country?
Cummings wasn't being smart but he was being human and it is the small child involved that make me far more sympathetic to him than I was to the Scottish scientific advisor. Who had no urgent family reasons for her travel.
JagLover said:
In the very thing you posted.
Do we all agree that a four year old needs someone who is able to take care of them looking after them?.
We all agree that. But your argument is based on the premise that Cummings' health could decline, which is dubious at best because the majority of cases symptoms are mild. Do we all agree that a four year old needs someone who is able to take care of them looking after them?.
Edited by JagLover on Saturday 23 May 09:02
Furthermore, as he was showing symptoms it should have been a healthy person travelling to collect his son. Not Cummings driving an excessive distance.
I'm not saying he broke the law, because the law is poorly rushed legislation. But he undoubtedly broke the spirit of the law.
Sambucket said:
Cummings was warned by police on 31st March for this! So it must have been embargoed somehow until the news was less damaging to the 'country'.
I very much doubt that there would have been any formal or informal embargo; the media outlet with the story would simply have hung onto it until they judged it was going to get good penetration. No point running it in April when all the public wanted to hear about was the status of the pandemicrover 623gsi said:
Possibly yeah. I’m sure lots of people in govt must have known at the time that Cummings had fled London - somewhat ironically to Cumbria, one of the worst affected areas in the country.
Durham isn't in Cumbria. Geography fail.Edited by rover 623gsi on Saturday 23 May 08:42
I liked his blog and found little that I disagreed with. I thought he may be able to influence the radical change we need - even more so now.
However, if it is true that he is behind the Government by focus group approach that has lead us to the present debacle, his removal may allow for a different approach.
However, if it is true that he is behind the Government by focus group approach that has lead us to the present debacle, his removal may allow for a different approach.
Boris needs him too much. He has dodged scrutiny before. This will be lift carpet and sweep under. I expect they are getting briefed for the briefings and a a good few days to prep Boris for the next PMQ. "Anonymous" comments are already out from No10 to the lobby, you can see the direction.
Still. One rule for them eh?
Still. One rule for them eh?
ant1973 said:
I liked his blog and found little that I disagreed with. I thought he may be able to influence the radical change we need - even more so now.
However, if it is true that he is behind the Government by focus group approach that has lead us to the present debacle, his removal may allow for a different approach.
I suspect this is the reason the information has been leaked now. However, if it is true that he is behind the Government by focus group approach that has lead us to the present debacle, his removal may allow for a different approach.
From all accounts (bearing in mind we don't really know what is going on). Cummings is one of the "doves" arguing for only a gradual relaxation of the lockdown while the economy continues to collapse. His main focus is always the political so he doesn't want Boris to be too far ahead of the public.
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