Cummings and goings...
Discussion
Red 4 said:
rover 623gsi said:
Possibly yeah. I’m sure lots of people in govt must have known at the time that Cummings had fled London - somewhat ironically to Cumbria, one of the worst affected areas in the country.
Durham isn't in Cumbria. Geography fail.Edited by rover 623gsi on Saturday 23 May 08:42
grumbledoak said:
GT03ROB said:
I think it's more that they think this stuff doesn't apply to them.
It usually doesn't.We have allowed a situation where almost everyone in the decision making process is totally insulated from the consequences of their decisions.
Now as facts emerge and the mishandling becomes more obvious, it’s running out of credibility.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/international/articles...
There’s been 30,000 deaths and 50,000 extra deaths since covid started. We still have lockdowns and in June, in the latest wtf moment, the government have decided to introduce a quarantine. It’s obvious that lots of mistakes have been made and are continuing to be made.
There will be plenty of inquests and investigations afterwards. You can’t be in charge of a country (or anything) and not then be responsible for your decisions and decision making processes.
JagLover said:
ant1973 said:
I liked his blog and found little that I disagreed with. I thought he may be able to influence the radical change we need - even more so now.
However, if it is true that he is behind the Government by focus group approach that has lead us to the present debacle, his removal may allow for a different approach.
I suspect this is the reason the information has been leaked now. However, if it is true that he is behind the Government by focus group approach that has lead us to the present debacle, his removal may allow for a different approach.
From all accounts (bearing in mind we don't really know what is going on). Cummings is one of the "doves" arguing for only a gradual relaxation of the lockdown while the economy continues to collapse. His main focus is always the political so he doesn't want Boris to be too far ahead of the public.
CallThatMusic said:
I think it just means it’s ok to ignore the Government’s guidelines regards leaving home etc since members of the Government and their advisors ignore their own advice.
Exactly.If Government want people to abide by the rules of lockdown then government itself must be beyond reproach.
Cummings is an embarrassment. 260 miles with a sick girlfriend tagging along ? Really ?
How can anyone justify that ?
The message this sends is that, really, we can all do whatever we want. Except you can't. Unless the rules don't apply to you.
If Boris knew about this (which he undoubtedly did) then he has a serious problem.
It's just the latest in a very long line of embarrassments for this government. Disgraceful.
Let's turn this on its head. I'm thinking of going to play doubles tennis next week with people I haven't seen since March as everyone else is out doing whatever the f
k they want at all levels of society. I might also see my mum and visit my gf since the former scientific advisor type approves of it, too. I might also organise a BBQ in the garden for next week once the wind and rain dies down.
Thoughts?
A prevalent trait I have noticed with these academic types.And he wants more of these "do your own thing" people in government.Oh yes, he put up that advert didn't he.
k they want at all levels of society. I might also see my mum and visit my gf since the former scientific advisor type approves of it, too. I might also organise a BBQ in the garden for next week once the wind and rain dies down.Thoughts?
Randy Winkman said:
Ratski83 said:
chemistry said:
It never ceases to amaze me how dim people are; how did he not think he could be ‘caught’ and how bad it would look when we was?!
This. He comes up with some interesting stuff on his blog and is obviously highly intelligent but seems to lack any common sense. A prevalent trait I have noticed with these academic types.
Slightly off topic but traumatic memories are likely to be the only memories that survive early childhood.
I basically remember only one thing from when I was under five and that was being taken to a strange childminder and being terrified and crying my eyes out. I was probably two or younger at the time.
My parents sometimes used to talk to me about things they had done with me in those years like taking me to a children's play or screening of a film and I would look at them blankly, as that is the only thing I remembered. For any of the rest of it I didn't remember a thing no matter how much I might have seemed to enjoy myself at the time.
It is a somewhat sobering thought and highlights why parents of small children need to be careful, because, whatever good they do, their children will likely only remember the few times that their parents failed to protect them from emotional trauma.
An interesting article on it
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2014/04/...
I basically remember only one thing from when I was under five and that was being taken to a strange childminder and being terrified and crying my eyes out. I was probably two or younger at the time.
My parents sometimes used to talk to me about things they had done with me in those years like taking me to a children's play or screening of a film and I would look at them blankly, as that is the only thing I remembered. For any of the rest of it I didn't remember a thing no matter how much I might have seemed to enjoy myself at the time.
It is a somewhat sobering thought and highlights why parents of small children need to be careful, because, whatever good they do, their children will likely only remember the few times that their parents failed to protect them from emotional trauma.
An interesting article on it
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2014/04/...
JagLover said:
I suspect this is the reason the information has been leaked now.
From all accounts (bearing in mind we don't really know what is going on). Cummings is one of the "doves" arguing for only a gradual relaxation of the lockdown while the economy continues to collapse. His main focus is always the political so he doesn't want Boris to be too far ahead of the public.
There definitely seems to be ‘strong debate’ about getting the economy moving, lockdowns and quarantine. That’s partly why we get mixed messages from ministers, because they’re in two camps over how to proceed and some of the mixed statements are just opinion rather than policy and direction, which has been lacking. From all accounts (bearing in mind we don't really know what is going on). Cummings is one of the "doves" arguing for only a gradual relaxation of the lockdown while the economy continues to collapse. His main focus is always the political so he doesn't want Boris to be too far ahead of the public.
Plus I expect some in Westminster are looking at the terrible numbers of dead and economic damage and wanting to look better in the aftermath.
rover 623gsi said:
Red 4 said:
rover 623gsi said:
Possibly yeah. I’m sure lots of people in govt must have known at the time that Cummings had fled London - somewhat ironically to Cumbria, one of the worst affected areas in the country.
Durham isn't in Cumbria. Geography fail.Edited by rover 623gsi on Saturday 23 May 08:42
East Coast(ish) - Cumbria is West coast.
But yeah, get to Watford and keep going !
Edited by Red 4 on Saturday 23 May 10:10
JagLover said:
Slightly off topic but traumatic memories are likely to the only memories that survive early childhood.
I basically remember only one thing from when I was under five and that was being taken to a strange childminder and being terrified and crying my eyes out. I was probably two or younger at the time.
My parents sometimes used to talk to me about things they had done with me in those years like taking me to a children's play or screening of a film and I would look at them blankly, as that is the only thing I remembered. For any of the rest of it I didn't remember a thing no matter how much I might have seemed to enjoy myself at the time.
It is a somewhat sobering thought and highlights why parents of small children need to be careful, because, whatever good they do, their children will likely only remember the few times that their parents failed to protect them from emotional trauma.
An interesting article on it
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2014/04/...
I often like your posts jaglover and like this one too but I’m just trying to fit it into the context of this thread. I basically remember only one thing from when I was under five and that was being taken to a strange childminder and being terrified and crying my eyes out. I was probably two or younger at the time.
My parents sometimes used to talk to me about things they had done with me in those years like taking me to a children's play or screening of a film and I would look at them blankly, as that is the only thing I remembered. For any of the rest of it I didn't remember a thing no matter how much I might have seemed to enjoy myself at the time.
It is a somewhat sobering thought and highlights why parents of small children need to be careful, because, whatever good they do, their children will likely only remember the few times that their parents failed to protect them from emotional trauma.
An interesting article on it
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2014/04/...
Are you saying kids childhoods might be a bit damaged by the lockdowns or Cummings is in some way?
El stovey said:
JagLover said:
Slightly off topic but traumatic memories are likely to the only memories that survive early childhood.
I basically remember only one thing from when I was under five and that was being taken to a strange childminder and being terrified and crying my eyes out. I was probably two or younger at the time.
My parents sometimes used to talk to me about things they had done with me in those years like taking me to a children's play or screening of a film and I would look at them blankly, as that is the only thing I remembered. For any of the rest of it I didn't remember a thing no matter how much I might have seemed to enjoy myself at the time.
It is a somewhat sobering thought and highlights why parents of small children need to be careful, because, whatever good they do, their children will likely only remember the few times that their parents failed to protect them from emotional trauma.
An interesting article on it
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2014/04/...
I often like your posts jaglover and like this one too but I’m just trying to fit it into the context of this thread. I basically remember only one thing from when I was under five and that was being taken to a strange childminder and being terrified and crying my eyes out. I was probably two or younger at the time.
My parents sometimes used to talk to me about things they had done with me in those years like taking me to a children's play or screening of a film and I would look at them blankly, as that is the only thing I remembered. For any of the rest of it I didn't remember a thing no matter how much I might have seemed to enjoy myself at the time.
It is a somewhat sobering thought and highlights why parents of small children need to be careful, because, whatever good they do, their children will likely only remember the few times that their parents failed to protect them from emotional trauma.
An interesting article on it
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2014/04/...
Are you saying kids childhoods might be a bit damaged by the lockdowns or Cummings is in some way?
Jasandjules said:
Hippea said:
None story or will this cause havoc for the government?
Travelling - no issue to me. Travelling to visit parents - no issue to me. Travelling or even leaving the house whilst symptomatic - absolutely serious issue which should result in termination.
Digger said:
Jasandjules said:
Hippea said:
None story or will this cause havoc for the government?
Travelling - no issue to me. Travelling to visit parents - no issue to me. Travelling or even leaving the house whilst symptomatic - absolutely serious issue which should result in termination.
JagLover said:
Just explaining why I am sympathetic to Cummings if his main motivation was to ensure his four year old son was looked after by his sister if he and his wife were incapacitated. Just putting myself in the place of the child at that age
Considering Dom Cum & his partner had the virus, wouldn't it have been safer for the sister to collect Dom Cum Jr up? Gov advise at the time was not to travel if you had the virus.
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