Cummings and goings...

[mx5nut]

Lotobear said:

Heard on the local news tonight that CV19 has spiked in Durham in the last few days - does anyone know if this is linked to DC's trip up to Durham earlier this year - surely it's not a coincidence?

Boris will be along soon to blame the local care workers.

[Tuna]

Lotobear said:

Heard on the local news tonight that CV19 has spiked in Durham in the last few days - does anyone know if this is linked to DC's trip up to Durham earlier this year - surely it's not a coincidence?

That's not how coronavirus works. Incubation time is days, not months.

mx5nut will be along shortly with a weak attempt at point scoring.

[cirian75]

mx5nut said:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-mark-f...

Mark Francois accidentally said the quiet part out loud.

Yeah, let the former TA week end warrior MP threaten the senior army general who probably knows the contents of the unredacted Russia report and then some with Cummings.

[Slagathore]

Tuna said:

mx5nut said:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-mark-f...

Mark Francois accidentally said the quiet part out loud.

For those who wanted to see reform in our civil service, the fact that the threat of reform is now working is possibly a good sign.

Oh dear.

Quite. We complain about government and public sector waste, but when someone wants to actually do something about it, all of sudden it's a problem.

"A post on Cummings’s blog in March described the procurement process as a farce that “has continued to squander billions of pounds, enriching some of the worst corporate looters and corrupting public life via the revolving door of officials/lobbyists”.

From - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/dec/16/do...

I'd have thought that's a sentiment everyone could get behind!

[Zirconia]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Make sure it is water proof.

[eldar]

It’ll be a spectacle.

[Escapegoat]

eldar said:

It’ll be a spectacle.

What you did there, I saw it.

[Tuna]

eldar said:

It’ll be a spectacle.

I see what you did there.

[Vanden Saab]

Slagathore said:

Tuna said:

mx5nut said:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-mark-f...

Mark Francois accidentally said the quiet part out loud.

For those who wanted to see reform in our civil service, the fact that the threat of reform is now working is possibly a good sign.

Oh dear.

Quite. We complain about government and public sector waste, but when someone wants to actually do something about it, all of sudden it's a problem.

"A post on Cummings’s blog in March described the procurement process as a farce that “has continued to squander billions of pounds, enriching some of the worst corporate looters and corrupting public life via the revolving door of officials/lobbyists”.

From - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/dec/16/do...

I'd have thought that's a sentiment everyone could get behind!

It is amusing to see people arguing against ending public sector waste and in favour of care home owners because their favourite villains Boris and Dom have spoken out against them. All that remains is for them to start supporting the far-right because Boris has spoken out against them... What a truly topsy turvy world we live in.

[markyb_lcy]

Vanden Saab said:

Slagathore said:

Tuna said:

mx5nut said:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-mark-f...

Mark Francois accidentally said the quiet part out loud.

For those who wanted to see reform in our civil service, the fact that the threat of reform is now working is possibly a good sign.

Oh dear.

Quite. We complain about government and public sector waste, but when someone wants to actually do something about it, all of sudden it's a problem.

"A post on Cummings’s blog in March described the procurement process as a farce that “has continued to squander billions of pounds, enriching some of the worst corporate looters and corrupting public life via the revolving door of officials/lobbyists”.

From - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/dec/16/do...

I'd have thought that's a sentiment everyone could get behind!

It is amusing to see people arguing against ending public sector waste and in favour of care home owners because their favourite villains Boris and Dom have spoken out against them. All that remains is for them to start supporting the far-right because Boris has spoken out against them... What a truly topsy turvy world we live in.

I've not seen any of the moaners about public sector waste turn out to be the same people defending care home owners. Any examples?

From what I can see, the users moaning about "public sector waste" and salivating at the prospect of Big Bad Dom and his "shake-up" are the ones generally defending Boris and the govt ... on these care home comments and frankly anything else they do or say. Probably also the same people bhing about dancing nurses way back in March/April whenever it was (although I can't be bothered flicking through the volumes/pages to check, so I may be wrong).

Even if it were the case, where is the (implied by you) hypocrisy / contradiction of wanting public sector reform yet defending care homes against a quite frankly badly judged comment that is now being rowed back on?

Edited by markyb_lcy on Tuesday 7th July 22:09

[Slagathore]

Vanden Saab said:

It is amusing to see people arguing against ending public sector waste and in favour of care home owners because their favourite villains Boris and Dom have spoken out against them. All that remains is for them to start supporting the far-right because Boris has spoken out against them... What a truly topsy turvy world we live in.

It's a nice way to demonstrate their blinkers.

I get Francois' phrasing isn't the best, but the idea that government departments are so wasteful with taxpayers money needs addressing. And if anyone had actually spent some time listening to Cummings' thoughts on the sort reform needed, they'd probably have a very hard time disagreeing with him.

But, Cummings is evil blah blah. If he was pushing the same agenda, but had no relationship to Boris or Vote Leave, he'd be being praised for daring to challenge the status quo.

[JagLover]

Slagathore said:

Quite. We complain about government and public sector waste, but when someone wants to actually do something about it, all of sudden it's a problem.

"A post on Cummings’s blog in March described the procurement process as a farce that “has continued to squander billions of pounds, enriching some of the worst corporate looters and corrupting public life via the revolving door of officials/lobbyists”.

From - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/dec/16/do...

I'd have thought that's a sentiment everyone could get behind!

As with any such change those who lose out are wealthy and well connected. The beneficiary is the taxpayer who may not realise how much they are being fleeced.

[Zirconia]

If Francoise phrasing is a bit glib and a slip of the tongue, how much power is Dom now wielding with those in the Tory party having a spinectomy, remember this dude don't like unelected authority, some irony.

Russian report still in Doms in tray with his felt tips next to mates rates contracts he is doling out?

[youngsyr]

Slagathore said:

Tuna said:

mx5nut said:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-mark-f...

Mark Francois accidentally said the quiet part out loud.

For those who wanted to see reform in our civil service, the fact that the threat of reform is now working is possibly a good sign.

Oh dear.

Quite. We complain about government and public sector waste, but when someone wants to actually do something about it, all of sudden it's a problem.

"A post on Cummings’s blog in March described the procurement process as a farce that “has continued to squander billions of pounds, enriching some of the worst corporate looters and corrupting public life via the revolving door of officials/lobbyists”.

From - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/dec/16/do...

I'd have thought that's a sentiment everyone could get behind!

The issue isn't the reform, it's the piece meal destruction of our democracy as the price that many have an issue with.

I thought that much would be obvious?

[dai1983]

How's his reform gone currently?

I think MoD procurement and waste needs a serious shake up as I'm at the coal face and can see how bad it is. This is just Francois being his usual big man windbag act showing he'd make a terrible officer in the armed forces.

[Jasandjules]

Slagathore said:

I'd have thought that's a sentiment everyone could get behind!

Especially the members of his family producing IT contracts for the NHS? Oh, wait....

[s2art]

DC is spot on, but he is just stating what we all used to know. The Thatcher government recognised it, leading to a solution of putting as much as possible into the private sector and allowing Darwin to take over. Maybe there is a better way than that, but first accept that the public sector (and I am looking at you MOD) is st at procurement.

[Zirconia]

Jasandjules said:

Slagathore said:

I'd have thought that's a sentiment everyone could get behind!

Especially the members of his family producing IT contracts for the NHS? Oh, wait....

The contracts that have "no oversight" list is getting longer.
https://twitter.com/jameshurley/status/12802013205...

That is just one of them.

[Tuna]

youngsyr said:

The issue isn't the reform, it's the piece meal destruction of our democracy as the price that many have an issue with.

I thought that much would be obvious?

Where exactly has democracy been destroyed?

[MarkwG]

s2art said:

DC is spot on, but he is just stating what we all used to know. The Thatcher government recognised it, leading to a solution of putting as much as possible into the private sector and allowing Darwin to take over. Maybe there is a better way than that, but first accept that the public sector (and I am looking at you MOD) is st at procurement.

It's not about making it better: if it was, scenarios like this wouldn't occur. https://inews.co.uk/news/health/government-ppe-con... - it's about exchanging a corrupt system that doesn't suit to one that does...