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deadslow said:
pity Tory cronies don't do mates rates
How do you know they don't? Have you seen the normal cost of Government contracts? Remember £70 to change a light bulb, £250 to change a padlock and other nonsense in the NHS?And still no answer on how long it takes to put something fully out to tender in the middle of a pandemic?
Tuna said:
deadslow said:
pity Tory cronies don't do mates rates
How do you know they don't? Have you seen the normal cost of Government contracts? Remember £70 to change a light bulb, £250 to change a padlock and other nonsense in the NHS?And still no answer on how long it takes to put something fully out to tender in the middle of a pandemic?
s2art said:
Starfighter said:
That isn’t new.
My son just completed an MSc in Physics and shared the first year classes with Math students. They started with classes covering the full A level topics to get everyone at the same level and using the same logic / methods.
Come to think of it, I had the same doing Engineering in the late 80s.
The rot had already set in by the late 80's. I still socialise occasionally with my old A level math teacher, he agrees that a lot of stuff got dumbed down when they changed the curriculum and criteria in the 70's. In his day, first you got your degree in maths (or whatever) then you did teacher training. Then, as he put it, someone waved a magic wand and removed the requirement to do a subject degree first. Just teachers training college was enough. The grammar school I went to insisted that their teachers had a suitable (degree level) qualification in the subject they taught.My son just completed an MSc in Physics and shared the first year classes with Math students. They started with classes covering the full A level topics to get everyone at the same level and using the same logic / methods.
Come to think of it, I had the same doing Engineering in the late 80s.
I had the misfortune to do SMP maths at school and myself and three others had to swot evenings and weekends for about 6 months to learn proper maths for my HNC course... 40 years on it still annoys me
Vanden Saab said:
s2art said:
Starfighter said:
That isn’t new.
My son just completed an MSc in Physics and shared the first year classes with Math students. They started with classes covering the full A level topics to get everyone at the same level and using the same logic / methods.
Come to think of it, I had the same doing Engineering in the late 80s.
The rot had already set in by the late 80's. I still socialise occasionally with my old A level math teacher, he agrees that a lot of stuff got dumbed down when they changed the curriculum and criteria in the 70's. In his day, first you got your degree in maths (or whatever) then you did teacher training. Then, as he put it, someone waved a magic wand and removed the requirement to do a subject degree first. Just teachers training college was enough. The grammar school I went to insisted that their teachers had a suitable (degree level) qualification in the subject they taught.My son just completed an MSc in Physics and shared the first year classes with Math students. They started with classes covering the full A level topics to get everyone at the same level and using the same logic / methods.
Come to think of it, I had the same doing Engineering in the late 80s.
I had the misfortune to do SMP maths at school and myself and three others had to swot evenings and weekends for about 6 months to learn proper maths for my HNC course... 40 years on it still annoys me
Tuna said:
And still no answer on how long it takes to put something fully out to tender in the middle of a pandemic?
That is irrelevant to the question of whether or not we should be allowing mates to profit from Taxpayers' money. In short, simple corruption. You may be happy with it, I am not.Jasandjules said:
Tuna said:
And still no answer on how long it takes to put something fully out to tender in the middle of a pandemic?
That is irrelevant to the question of whether or not we should be allowing mates to profit from Taxpayers' money. In short, simple corruption. You may be happy with it, I am not.Exaggerating a point to make a point, the binary opposite is to award a transport contract to the lowest bidder despite them having no modes of transport...but that would never happen, would it?
s2art said:
MarkwG said:
s2art said:
MarkwG said:
s2art said:
Personally I thought Gove & Cummings were doing a great job. Reintroducing phonics, stiffening up exam requirements etc etc, but you are right the PM wimped out as the blob were kicking off. Not all teachers were in the blob though: https://capx.co/why-we-teachers-miss-michael-gove/
We have two children; one went through to university level prior to Goves changes, one after: the second had a significantly inferior educational experience to the first. Fortunately we were able to redress the balance, because we could see it coming, however not all were so lucky. Like a lot of his ilk, he conflates his personal experience with that available everywhere, & damaged the good schools whilst trying to sweep away the bad: all because he "doesn't trust experts". The man's a menace.https://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnew...
Jasandjules said:
That is irrelevant to the question of whether or not we should be allowing mates to profit from Taxpayers' money. In short, simple corruption. You may be happy with it, I am not.
That is a nonsense. Assigning a contract will always allow companies to profit from Taxpayers' money - that's how government contracts work. The fact that you know someone ("mates" - how derogative) does not change the fact, and does not materially change whether it's appropriate to award a contract in itself.If you have evidence that the contract was disproportionate for the work being carried out, then yes, there are bigger issues. If the tender process was unnecessarily circumvented, that is also a problem. Let's see some clear evidence on this and I'll be happy to condemn the process. Carefully worded articles from the Guardian are not really a standard of evidence I'm happy with.
MarkwG said:
s2art said:
MarkwG said:
s2art said:
MarkwG said:
s2art said:
Personally I thought Gove & Cummings were doing a great job. Reintroducing phonics, stiffening up exam requirements etc etc, but you are right the PM wimped out as the blob were kicking off. Not all teachers were in the blob though: https://capx.co/why-we-teachers-miss-michael-gove/
We have two children; one went through to university level prior to Goves changes, one after: the second had a significantly inferior educational experience to the first. Fortunately we were able to redress the balance, because we could see it coming, however not all were so lucky. Like a lot of his ilk, he conflates his personal experience with that available everywhere, & damaged the good schools whilst trying to sweep away the bad: all because he "doesn't trust experts". The man's a menace.https://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnew...
Here is a partial quote.
Edited by s2art on Saturday 11th July 13:55
s2art said:
MarkwG said:
s2art said:
MarkwG said:
s2art said:
MarkwG said:
s2art said:
Personally I thought Gove & Cummings were doing a great job. Reintroducing phonics, stiffening up exam requirements etc etc, but you are right the PM wimped out as the blob were kicking off. Not all teachers were in the blob though: https://capx.co/why-we-teachers-miss-michael-gove/
We have two children; one went through to university level prior to Goves changes, one after: the second had a significantly inferior educational experience to the first. Fortunately we were able to redress the balance, because we could see it coming, however not all were so lucky. Like a lot of his ilk, he conflates his personal experience with that available everywhere, & damaged the good schools whilst trying to sweep away the bad: all because he "doesn't trust experts". The man's a menace.https://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnew...
Here is a partial quote.
Edited by s2art on Saturday 11th July 13:55
Tuna said:
deadslow said:
pity Tory cronies don't do mates rates
How do you know they don't? Have you seen the normal cost of Government contracts? Remember £70 to change a light bulb, £250 to change a padlock and other nonsense in the NHS?And still no answer on how long it takes to put something fully out to tender in the middle of a pandemic?
It’s one thing to award a contract to a firm you have personal connections with, but that contract doesn’t require a particularly niche skill set and many research companies in the U.K. could deliver it, unless of course, the objective is to deliver the “right answer” in which case, best go with the people who will deliver that answer....
MarkwG said:
s2art said:
MarkwG said:
s2art said:
MarkwG said:
s2art said:
MarkwG said:
s2art said:
Personally I thought Gove & Cummings were doing a great job. Reintroducing phonics, stiffening up exam requirements etc etc, but you are right the PM wimped out as the blob were kicking off. Not all teachers were in the blob though: https://capx.co/why-we-teachers-miss-michael-gove/
We have two children; one went through to university level prior to Goves changes, one after: the second had a significantly inferior educational experience to the first. Fortunately we were able to redress the balance, because we could see it coming, however not all were so lucky. Like a lot of his ilk, he conflates his personal experience with that available everywhere, & damaged the good schools whilst trying to sweep away the bad: all because he "doesn't trust experts". The man's a menace.https://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnew...
Here is a partial quote.
Edited by s2art on Saturday 11th July 13:55
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Lord Willis of Knaresborough, chairman of the Lords science and technology select committee which commissioned the report, said he was "absolutely gobsmacked" by the figures.
There were others. But the point is is didnt used to be true. And indeed students from places like Hong Kong and Singapore didnt need it.
MarkwG said:
s2art said:
MarkwG said:
s2art said:
Personally I thought Gove & Cummings were doing a great job. Reintroducing phonics, stiffening up exam requirements etc etc, but you are right the PM wimped out as the blob were kicking off. Not all teachers were in the blob though: https://capx.co/why-we-teachers-miss-michael-gove/
We have two children; one went through to university level prior to Goves changes, one after: the second had a significantly inferior educational experience to the first. Fortunately we were able to redress the balance, because we could see it coming, however not all were so lucky. Like a lot of his ilk, he conflates his personal experience with that available everywhere, & damaged the good schools whilst trying to sweep away the bad: all because he "doesn't trust experts". The man's a menace.s2art said:
MarkwG said:
s2art said:
MarkwG said:
s2art said:
MarkwG said:
s2art said:
MarkwG said:
s2art said:
Personally I thought Gove & Cummings were doing a great job. Reintroducing phonics, stiffening up exam requirements etc etc, but you are right the PM wimped out as the blob were kicking off. Not all teachers were in the blob though: https://capx.co/why-we-teachers-miss-michael-gove/
We have two children; one went through to university level prior to Goves changes, one after: the second had a significantly inferior educational experience to the first. Fortunately we were able to redress the balance, because we could see it coming, however not all were so lucky. Like a lot of his ilk, he conflates his personal experience with that available everywhere, & damaged the good schools whilst trying to sweep away the bad: all because he "doesn't trust experts". The man's a menace.https://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnew...
Here is a partial quote.
Edited by s2art on Saturday 11th July 13:55
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Look, listen, learn - and forget? 11 Jun 2012
Lord Willis of Knaresborough, chairman of the Lords science and technology select committee which commissioned the report, said he was "absolutely gobsmacked" by the figures.
There were others. But the point is is didnt used to be true. And indeed students from places like Hong Kong and Singapore didnt need it.
MarkwG said:
I might wonder why they don't start by improving their assessment tests, then - they spend enough time & energy on them - why are students who don't make the grade getting through, if their maths is so dreadful? Surely it would be better to weed out the candidates that don't meet their requirements, & be more efficient too. The education system of the whole country isn't targeted to just one group of universities, & neither should it be, far more students go elsewhere for their education, or join the work force, than go anywhere near Cambridge. It certainly the case that those kind of complaints go back decades, & echo the same in all branches of training & learning - blaming the source material rather than addressing internal failings is part of the human condition, it seems, as is chucking the baby out with the bath water.
The problem is that for years A level results were a pretty good measure of knowledge and ability. Places like Oxbridge also did interviews (as did others). That measure has been lost.probably a combination of dumbing down for various reasons, including exam board competition and poor curricular for STEM subjects. As a matter of interest, my father (he taught maths) dug out a 1932 maths O level paper (or its equivalent). I would have passed it fairly easily but I would bet that many of my compatriots who passed when we did it would have failed it, mainly by running out of time. One question intrigued me because the answers were multiples of 252. Took a few seconds before the penny dropped (clue). MarkwG said:
s2art said:
MarkwG said:
s2art said:
MarkwG said:
s2art said:
MarkwG said:
s2art said:
MarkwG said:
s2art said:
Personally I thought Gove & Cummings were doing a great job. Reintroducing phonics, stiffening up exam requirements etc etc, but you are right the PM wimped out as the blob were kicking off. Not all teachers were in the blob though: https://capx.co/why-we-teachers-miss-michael-gove/
We have two children; one went through to university level prior to Goves changes, one after: the second had a significantly inferior educational experience to the first. Fortunately we were able to redress the balance, because we could see it coming, however not all were so lucky. Like a lot of his ilk, he conflates his personal experience with that available everywhere, & damaged the good schools whilst trying to sweep away the bad: all because he "doesn't trust experts". The man's a menace.https://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnew...
Here is a partial quote.
Edited by s2art on Saturday 11th July 13:55
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Make Britain Count: Multiply those maths qualifications 30 Apr 2012
Look, listen, learn - and forget? 11 Jun 2012
Lord Willis of Knaresborough, chairman of the Lords science and technology select committee which commissioned the report, said he was "absolutely gobsmacked" by the figures.
There were others. But the point is is didnt used to be true. And indeed students from places like Hong Kong and Singapore didnt need it.
Gove’s ‘Expert’ quote is wonderfully out of context, as always. See Tetlock et al for experts vs lay people...
Seems relevant, the French have caught our disease.
https://conservativewoman.co.uk/macrons-mad-assess...
https://conservativewoman.co.uk/macrons-mad-assess...
Cant say I will be doing any home kit tests any time soon.
https://twitter.com/StefSimanowitz/status/12822885...
Palantir involved with the US HHS Protect Now at the moment.
https://twitter.com/StefSimanowitz/status/12822885...
Palantir involved with the US HHS Protect Now at the moment.
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