Cummings and goings...
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Sway said:
As per the GE - with the stuff outstanding, there is no "leave/remain" axis.
There's those that support us specifically choosing to permit a foreign power to overrule us with zero input from us, and those that do not.
Ask that question - and I think we can safely put that the people in support of option 2 is a majority.
you may feel that way, I feel Boris Johnson is just as 'foreign' to me as any other EU politician, and he has zero input from me, so I don't know who 'us' is eitherThere's those that support us specifically choosing to permit a foreign power to overrule us with zero input from us, and those that do not.
Ask that question - and I think we can safely put that the people in support of option 2 is a majority.
Sway said:
As per the GE - with the stuff outstanding, there is no "leave/remain" axis.
There's those that support us specifically choosing to permit a foreign power to overrule us with zero input from us, and those that do not.
Ask that question - and I think we can safely put that the people in support of option 2 is a majority.
Depressing that four years after the Brexit vote and so much being talked about Brexit and such a fundamental misrepresentation about EU membership is written as if the gospel truth. I suppose with 70 million having just voted for Trump, candidate for one of the worst human beings on the planet if not the most unsuitable person to be president then I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised.There's those that support us specifically choosing to permit a foreign power to overrule us with zero input from us, and those that do not.
Ask that question - and I think we can safely put that the people in support of option 2 is a majority.
anonymoususer said:
Hounded out by the press who have wanted his head since he made the mistake of travelling to see his family
He put family first as probably most would do
But most didn't do that. Most stuck to the rules during lockdown 1, to the detriment of themselves and their family, for what they thought was the greater good. That's why adult children stayed at home whilst their parents died alone, or did you miss all that. He put family first as probably most would do
Sway said:
There's those that support us specifically choosing to permit a foreign power to overrule us with zero input from us, and those that do not.
Ask that question - and I think we can safely put that the people in support of option 2 is a majority.
It's a shame the PM was a clear supporter of option 1 then, having negotiated it, signed up to it, and fought a general election on how great it was and that it was oven ready. And given that he won that election by a pretty clear majority, then one has to assume the majority of those who voted are also in favour of option 1.Ask that question - and I think we can safely put that the people in support of option 2 is a majority.
What happened to "will of the people"? That was the mantra in the weeks and months following the June 16 referendum? I'm sure you're not suggesting the people were misled by lies, and didn't know what they were voting for, because if that's the case, then you cannot claim that just on votes that don't go your way.
Sway said:
As per the GE - with the stuff outstanding, there is no "leave/remain" axis.
There's those that support us specifically choosing to permit a foreign power to overrule us with zero input from us, and those that do not.
Ask that question - and I think we can safely put that the people in support of option 2 is a majority.
Lucky that polling companies don't ask fictional questions then.There's those that support us specifically choosing to permit a foreign power to overrule us with zero input from us, and those that do not.
Ask that question - and I think we can safely put that the people in support of option 2 is a majority.
https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/p148ul6g5a/YG%20Tracke...
Esceptico said:
Sway said:
As per the GE - with the stuff outstanding, there is no "leave/remain" axis.
There's those that support us specifically choosing to permit a foreign power to overrule us with zero input from us, and those that do not.
Ask that question - and I think we can safely put that the people in support of option 2 is a majority.
Depressing that four years after the Brexit vote and so much being talked about Brexit and such a fundamental misrepresentation about EU membership is written as if the gospel truth. I suppose with 70 million having just voted for Trump, candidate for one of the worst human beings on the planet if not the most unsuitable person to be president then I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised.There's those that support us specifically choosing to permit a foreign power to overrule us with zero input from us, and those that do not.
Ask that question - and I think we can safely put that the people in support of option 2 is a majority.
I'm talking about the contentious issues outstanding in the FTA negotiations.
sim72 said:
Sway said:
As per the GE - with the stuff outstanding, there is no "leave/remain" axis.
There's those that support us specifically choosing to permit a foreign power to overrule us with zero input from us, and those that do not.
Ask that question - and I think we can safely put that the people in support of option 2 is a majority.
Lucky that polling companies don't ask fictional questions then.There's those that support us specifically choosing to permit a foreign power to overrule us with zero input from us, and those that do not.
Ask that question - and I think we can safely put that the people in support of option 2 is a majority.
https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/p148ul6g5a/YG%20Tracke...
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Sway said:
There's those that support us specifically choosing to permit a foreign power to overrule us with zero input from us, and those that do not.
Ask that question - and I think we can safely put that the people in support of option 2 is a majority.
It's a shame the PM was a clear supporter of option 1 then, having negotiated it, signed up to it, and fought a general election on how great it was and that it was oven ready. And given that he won that election by a pretty clear majority, then one has to assume the majority of those who voted are also in favour of option 1.Ask that question - and I think we can safely put that the people in support of option 2 is a majority.
What happened to "will of the people"? That was the mantra in the weeks and months following the June 16 referendum? I'm sure you're not suggesting the people were misled by lies, and didn't know what they were voting for, because if that's the case, then you cannot claim that just on votes that don't go your way.
Are the lot of you jumping on my post paying any attention at all to the negotiations and the outstanding issues?
It very much seems like you're not.
Sway said:
sim72 said:
Sway said:
As per the GE - with the stuff outstanding, there is no "leave/remain" axis.
There's those that support us specifically choosing to permit a foreign power to overrule us with zero input from us, and those that do not.
Ask that question - and I think we can safely put that the people in support of option 2 is a majority.
Lucky that polling companies don't ask fictional questions then.There's those that support us specifically choosing to permit a foreign power to overrule us with zero input from us, and those that do not.
Ask that question - and I think we can safely put that the people in support of option 2 is a majority.
https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/p148ul6g5a/YG%20Tracke...
sim72 said:
Sway said:
sim72 said:
Sway said:
As per the GE - with the stuff outstanding, there is no "leave/remain" axis.
There's those that support us specifically choosing to permit a foreign power to overrule us with zero input from us, and those that do not.
Ask that question - and I think we can safely put that the people in support of option 2 is a majority.
Lucky that polling companies don't ask fictional questions then.There's those that support us specifically choosing to permit a foreign power to overrule us with zero input from us, and those that do not.
Ask that question - and I think we can safely put that the people in support of option 2 is a majority.
https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/p148ul6g5a/YG%20Tracke...
However, I do know about FTAs - and I know none include elements such as the EU are demanding...
There's no knowing what the cause of his sharpish exit.
The case against the dismissal?
Briefing/leaks?
Disagreed with the nature of Johnson's brexit deal?
If he's the source of the leaks, then Johnson's threat to sack the source might have given an MP or two ideas on how to rid the government of Cummings. If they knew/has information that it might be Cummings, then telling Johnson left only one route for him.
Brexit deal? It's a bit of a coincidence in time. Just a few weeks from the end of the transition period . . . I reckon it's open fishing in our seas, and no food labels.
The dismissal case? This goes on all the time in government, with no one being responsible. Again, there's timing, but sacking him?
The fourth reason is any other reason. Suggestions welcomed.
Why didn't he leave via the rose garden?
The case against the dismissal?
Briefing/leaks?
Disagreed with the nature of Johnson's brexit deal?
If he's the source of the leaks, then Johnson's threat to sack the source might have given an MP or two ideas on how to rid the government of Cummings. If they knew/has information that it might be Cummings, then telling Johnson left only one route for him.
Brexit deal? It's a bit of a coincidence in time. Just a few weeks from the end of the transition period . . . I reckon it's open fishing in our seas, and no food labels.
The dismissal case? This goes on all the time in government, with no one being responsible. Again, there's timing, but sacking him?
The fourth reason is any other reason. Suggestions welcomed.
Why didn't he leave via the rose garden?
Derek Smith said:
There's no knowing what the cause of his sharpish exit.
The case against the dismissal?
Briefing/leaks?
Disagreed with the nature of Johnson's brexit deal?
If he's the source of the leaks, then Johnson's threat to sack the source might have given an MP or two ideas on how to rid the government of Cummings. If they knew/has information that it might be Cummings, then telling Johnson left only one route for him.
Brexit deal? It's a bit of a coincidence in time. Just a few weeks from the end of the transition period . . . I reckon it's open fishing in our seas, and no food labels.
The dismissal case? This goes on all the time in government, with no one being responsible. Again, there's timing, but sacking him?
The fourth reason is any other reason. Suggestions welcomed.
Why didn't he leave via the rose garden?
What on earth do food labels have to do with a FTA with the EU? The case against the dismissal?
Briefing/leaks?
Disagreed with the nature of Johnson's brexit deal?
If he's the source of the leaks, then Johnson's threat to sack the source might have given an MP or two ideas on how to rid the government of Cummings. If they knew/has information that it might be Cummings, then telling Johnson left only one route for him.
Brexit deal? It's a bit of a coincidence in time. Just a few weeks from the end of the transition period . . . I reckon it's open fishing in our seas, and no food labels.
The dismissal case? This goes on all the time in government, with no one being responsible. Again, there's timing, but sacking him?
The fourth reason is any other reason. Suggestions welcomed.
Why didn't he leave via the rose garden?
If you're referring to American food labels, you're aware they're more tightly regulated than EU labelling and have been so for a lot longer?
minimoog said:
Expanding slightly on the above from the FT
I having really been keeping up - can someone remind me what Carrie Symonds' role in government is please?
Perhaps just more bI having really been keeping up - can someone remind me what Carrie Symonds' role in government is please?
ks, by the looks of it."Robert Peston
@Peston
Sorry to spoil your enjoyment but I am told this encounter between
@BorisJohnson and Cummings/Cain - the stuff about the texts and screenshots relating to Carrie Symonds - is untrue. This denial is from a source still in the government. Oh well. Still hope it’s in the movie."
minimoog said:
Expanding slightly on the above from the FT
I having really been keeping up - can someone remind me what Carrie Symonds' role in government is please?
You could read the current situation that Gove, Cummings and Cain had little more need for their useful idiot, and so the briefing against him and his girlfriend was underway to destablise him. It's not as if Gove has form for backstabbing. I having really been keeping up - can someone remind me what Carrie Symonds' role in government is please?
Boris has found out his trusted lieutenants are actually not his lieutenants at all and so off they go. Now Boris is on his jack jones, he'll either sink or swim.
andy_s said:
minimoog said:
Expanding slightly on the above from the FT
I having really been keeping up - can someone remind me what Carrie Symonds' role in government is please?
Perhaps just more bI having really been keeping up - can someone remind me what Carrie Symonds' role in government is please?
ks, by the looks of it."Robert Peston
@Peston
Sorry to spoil your enjoyment but I am told this encounter between
@BorisJohnson and Cummings/Cain - the stuff about the texts and screenshots relating to Carrie Symonds - is untrue. This denial is from a source still in the government. Oh well. Still hope it’s in the movie."
ks it will be further damaged. The whole thing seems to be based on him coming out of No 10 with a box. That the BBC are reporting it as fact without a formal press release is staggering. Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff