Cummings and goings...
Discussion
Captain Raymond Holt said:
rjfp1962 said:
I think Cummings will drip-feed these message between Jonson and Hancock over the coming days and weeks to undermine Hancock..
Fine line though, people will get bored soon and all that’ll happen is people who dont like BJ/MH will say See!!! I told you!! and people who’t care will just see DC as bitter. Very little will actually change. For an intelligent person, Cummings doesn't seem to be using this info wisely. I suspect part of the reason for this is him being complicit in any shenanigans.
It's a bit of a shame as I tend to agree with him that the whole mechanics of government (rather than Government) need a shake up. But he's lost the opportunity IMO. And in releasing snippets (quite clearly cut to adjust context) he'll miss his main target.
Cummings is making accusations, allowing the accused to lie about it, then providing the evidence. It's giving them the rope. He probably has an awful lot more to go. Luckily for him Hancock and Boris both have a first instinct to lie and seem unable to break that habit, even when the risk of being exposed is high.
Murph7355 said:
I think this is spot on.
For an intelligent person, Cummings doesn't seem to be using this info wisely. I suspect part of the reason for this is him being complicit in any shenanigans.
It's a bit of a shame as I tend to agree with him that the whole mechanics of government (rather than Government) need a shake up. But he's lost the opportunity IMO. And in releasing snippets (quite clearly cut to adjust context) he'll miss his main target.
His main target seems to have become Hancock. He seems to have an obsessive hatred for him that is a bit odd. Hancock seems a weak, weaselly, sort of fellow who will no doubt be gone soon. You might pity him, or hold him in contempt, but he doesn't seem the sort to generate such an obsession. For an intelligent person, Cummings doesn't seem to be using this info wisely. I suspect part of the reason for this is him being complicit in any shenanigans.
It's a bit of a shame as I tend to agree with him that the whole mechanics of government (rather than Government) need a shake up. But he's lost the opportunity IMO. And in releasing snippets (quite clearly cut to adjust context) he'll miss his main target.
The Spruce Goose said:
Yes because they are working class people, without all the pretenious bulls
t. What surprises me is how Boris gets away with it all, he could fk a pig and his supporters would be cheering all the way past the money shot.
If you haven't watched the Black Mirror episode on that, it's great viewing.t. What surprises me is how Boris gets away with it all, he could fk a pig and his supporters would be cheering all the way past the money shot.JagLover said:
Murph7355 said:
I think this is spot on.
For an intelligent person, Cummings doesn't seem to be using this info wisely. I suspect part of the reason for this is him being complicit in any shenanigans.
It's a bit of a shame as I tend to agree with him that the whole mechanics of government (rather than Government) need a shake up. But he's lost the opportunity IMO. And in releasing snippets (quite clearly cut to adjust context) he'll miss his main target.
His main target seems to have become Hancock. He seems to have an obsessive hatred for him that is a bit odd. Hancock seems a weak, weaselly, sort of fellow who will no doubt be gone soon. You might pity him, or hold him in contempt, but he doesn't seem the sort to generate such an obsession. For an intelligent person, Cummings doesn't seem to be using this info wisely. I suspect part of the reason for this is him being complicit in any shenanigans.
It's a bit of a shame as I tend to agree with him that the whole mechanics of government (rather than Government) need a shake up. But he's lost the opportunity IMO. And in releasing snippets (quite clearly cut to adjust context) he'll miss his main target.
Hancock however I started to despise a while for the same reasons as Cummings. I can see why he cried over the vaccine. That was the only positive thing in the news throughout the whole saga, despite having no input himself.
R Mutt said:
I hate them all relatively equally. The 'scientists' aren't exempt either if they let ministers spout such nonsense.
Hancock however I started to despise a while for the same reasons as Cummings. I can see why he cried over the vaccine. That was the only positive thing in the news throughout the whole saga, despite having no input himself.
Yes you might despise him and he is deserving of a great deal of contempt. But why would you make him your main focus?Hancock however I started to despise a while for the same reasons as Cummings. I can see why he cried over the vaccine. That was the only positive thing in the news throughout the whole saga, despite having no input himself.
Another incompetent politician promoted beyond their abilities. If he goes another takes his place.
Cummings seems obsessed, nay infatuated, with Hancock to the point of being unhinged.
The more scorn Cummings pours on Hancock the least likely it is that Boris will dispense with Hancock's services. At the moment Hancock is the canon fodder soaking up the assault - with him gone Cumming's assault might well change focus onto Boris himself. Boris has, at last, found a useful role for Hancock
The more scorn Cummings pours on Hancock the least likely it is that Boris will dispense with Hancock's services. At the moment Hancock is the canon fodder soaking up the assault - with him gone Cumming's assault might well change focus onto Boris himself. Boris has, at last, found a useful role for Hancock
Garvin said:
Cummings seems obsessed, nay infatuated, with Hancock to the point of being unhinged.
The more scorn Cummings pours on Hancock the least likely it is that Boris will dispense with Hancock's services. At the moment Hancock is the canon fodder soaking up the assault - with him gone Cumming's assault might well change focus onto Boris himself. Boris has, at last, found a useful role for Hancock
And something Hancock finally excels at...The more scorn Cummings pours on Hancock the least likely it is that Boris will dispense with Hancock's services. At the moment Hancock is the canon fodder soaking up the assault - with him gone Cumming's assault might well change focus onto Boris himself. Boris has, at last, found a useful role for Hancock
JagLover said:
His main target seems to have become Hancock. He seems to have an obsessive hatred for him that is a bit odd. Hancock seems a weak, weaselly, sort of fellow who will no doubt be gone soon. You might pity him, or hold him in contempt, but he doesn't seem the sort to generate such an obsession.
Or Hancock is just collateral damage in Cummings plan to further damage Boris. He can't not know Boris will dig in and not sack Hancock - but all this adds to Cummings narrative that Boris is incompetent and unworthy of his position... unlike..hmmm raab...or gove.....Garvin said:
Cummings seems obsessed, nay infatuated, with Hancock to the point of being unhinged.
The more scorn Cummings pours on Hancock the least likely it is that Boris will dispense with Hancock's services. At the moment Hancock is the canon fodder soaking up the assault - with him gone Cumming's assault might well change focus onto Boris himself. Boris has, at last, found a useful role for Hancock
The difficulty here is you're basically laughing off the thought that the Health Secretary who's in charge of massive parts of our pandemic response is there as "cannon fodder" to protect Boris who thinks he's "useless" and "hopeless" yet does nothing about it.The more scorn Cummings pours on Hancock the least likely it is that Boris will dispense with Hancock's services. At the moment Hancock is the canon fodder soaking up the assault - with him gone Cumming's assault might well change focus onto Boris himself. Boris has, at last, found a useful role for Hancock
I actually suspect you're right and Hancock will prove very useful to Boris come the inquiry.
It's no way to run a country.
Wouldn't be surprised if Gove was in cahoots with Cummings.
Anyway, from Cummings' point of view, he seems to have two strands to his attack; that the top of government is incompetent and secondly it's dishonest. He appears to have evidence of both and there doesn't seem to be any serious rebuttal of those.
None of which excuses the role Cummings played in putting these wholly unsuitable people into power. I doubt Cummings was unaware of Boris' propensity to lie and be crap at his job before the election and I doubt he had a problem with either until he began to be sidelined before his dismantling of Whitehall could take effect.
Either way, the motivations for releasing the info aren't really that important. Either the facts of what he says are true or untrue. It's a reasonable position to take that Cummings is a snake whilst Boris and Hancock are dishonest fools. Doesn't say much about us as an electorate, but not the first time we've made mistakes.
Anyway, from Cummings' point of view, he seems to have two strands to his attack; that the top of government is incompetent and secondly it's dishonest. He appears to have evidence of both and there doesn't seem to be any serious rebuttal of those.
None of which excuses the role Cummings played in putting these wholly unsuitable people into power. I doubt Cummings was unaware of Boris' propensity to lie and be crap at his job before the election and I doubt he had a problem with either until he began to be sidelined before his dismantling of Whitehall could take effect.
Either way, the motivations for releasing the info aren't really that important. Either the facts of what he says are true or untrue. It's a reasonable position to take that Cummings is a snake whilst Boris and Hancock are dishonest fools. Doesn't say much about us as an electorate, but not the first time we've made mistakes.
Prolex-UK said:
DDg said:
I dislike all of 'em, but am enjoying the veil being lifted, showing what a shower of st we have in Government.
t we have in Government.My thoughts as well.
Not often you get an uncensored look behind the scenes
Sad thing is the majority of people seem not to care
Cummings not doing himself any favours by withholding all this stuff from the committee, past the deadline, and then "leaking" it like it's some kind of serialised drama in the Mail on Sunday.
Obviously he's trying to maintain relevance now that he's outside of the inner circle, but it doesn't do his credibility an awful lot of good. It makes him look like a grubby opportunist.
Obviously he's trying to maintain relevance now that he's outside of the inner circle, but it doesn't do his credibility an awful lot of good. It makes him look like a grubby opportunist.
Durzel said:
Cummings not doing himself any favours by withholding all this stuff from the committee, past the deadline, and then "leaking" it like it's some kind of serialised drama in the Mail on Sunday.
Obviously he's trying to maintain relevance now that he's outside of the inner circle, but it doesn't do his credibility an awful lot of good. It makes him look like a grubby opportunist.
As I mentioned above, I believe the delays releasing evidence are to buy time to let the accused tell their porkies, then hammer them with the evidence. He had to wait until Hancock had appeared in front of the committee and lied until he could then release the evidence. Obviously he's trying to maintain relevance now that he's outside of the inner circle, but it doesn't do his credibility an awful lot of good. It makes him look like a grubby opportunist.
The question is, will Boris and Hancock learn and assume Cummings can prove most of their lies, and stop lying, or will they keep lying and bank on public apathy to see them through?
eliot said:
Prolex-UK said:
DDg said:
I dislike all of 'em, but am enjoying the veil being lifted, showing what a shower of st we have in Government.
t we have in Government.My thoughts as well.
Not often you get an uncensored look behind the scenes
Sad thing is the majority of people seem not to care
JagLover said:
R Mutt said:
I hate them all relatively equally. The 'scientists' aren't exempt either if they let ministers spout such nonsense.
Hancock however I started to despise a while for the same reasons as Cummings. I can see why he cried over the vaccine. That was the only positive thing in the news throughout the whole saga, despite having no input himself.
Yes you might despise him and he is deserving of a great deal of contempt. But why would you make him your main focus?Hancock however I started to despise a while for the same reasons as Cummings. I can see why he cried over the vaccine. That was the only positive thing in the news throughout the whole saga, despite having no input himself.
Another incompetent politician promoted beyond their abilities. If he goes another takes his place.
or because he's an easy target and serves as an underhand dig at Boris too
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